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Wednesday’s Rugby News looks at the axing of the 2021 Sydney Sevens, the Force out for some sweet revenge, Glen Ella’s plea amid a copyright battle involving the first nations jersey and the Aboriginal flag along with the Reds firing shots at the Brumbies

Sydney Sevens Scrapped

Tate McDermott at Sydney7s in 2017

Tate McDermott at Sydney7s in 2017

World Rugby has confirmed that the 2021 Sydney Sevens has been cancelled as a result of the coronavirus outbreak.

The sevens circuit has been out of action since March, with only six legs played in the 2019-20 season before it was brought to a halt.

Along with this, World Rugby has confirmed that the Hamilton leg has also been canned, with WR CEO Brett Gosper revealing that they will work with their Australian and NZ counterparts in order to establish a series of Oceania events to adequately prepare them for the Olympics.

“We continue to closely monitor the ongoing and dynamic global situation with COVID-19 and the health and wellbeing of the rugby community and the wider public remains sacrosanct,” he said in a statement.

“While it is disappointing not be able to go ahead with the Series events in New Zealand and Australia in January 2021, we are working very hard together with all host organisations, participating unions and other stakeholders to bring a safe, secure and highly impactful return to action as soon as possible and we look forward to returning to Sydney and Hamilton in future.”

RA CEO Rob Clarke admitted that the news was ‘incredibly disappointing’, conceding that it was necessary to ensure the safety of players, staff and fans.

“It is incredibly disappointing that the Sydney Sevens won’t be taking place in 2021. It has fast become one of the most exciting events on the global Rugby calendar and I want to thank World Rugby as well as our Government partner, Destination NSW, for their support and understanding,” Clarke said.

“Rugby Australia and World Rugby have prioritised the health and wellbeing of our players, and our fans, in this decision but we look forward to welcoming everyone back to Sydney in 2022.”

This comes as World Rugby confirms $2.5 million (USD) of funding will be allocated for Olympic qualified programs to help with their development and preparations, with Australia expected to receive approximately $200k (USD).

Revenge is sweet

No love lost between the Force and the Rebels.

No love lost between the Force and the Rebels.

After effectively ending their Super Rugby stay in 2017, the Force have now the perfect opportunity for a small slice of revenge as they look to prevent the Rebels from qualifying for the finals.

The two teams were locked in a fight for survival when SANZAAR and RA made the call to reduce the number of teams in Super Rugby, with the Force primarily kept alive due to the efforts of Andrew Forest via Global Rapid Rugby.

Having been welcomed back from exile, the Force will be looking for the first win of the season whilst maintaining the Rebels near-decade-long streak without a finals appearance.

With their previous clash against the Melbourne side going down to the wire, centre and USA international Marcel Brache was confident that they could finish on a high if they stick to their gameplay.

“The Rebels have got a good list of players and will have threats all across the park, so we are expecting a strong and formidable pack,” Brache said when speaking to media on Tuesday.

“We will be focused on our processes and what helps us tick over the best, so come Saturday those things will become part of our routine.”

After spending the past couple of months on the road, young back Nick Jooste was confident that the group were primed for a strong performance in their adopted home of the Hunter, where they were based for the opening rounds of the comp.

“The boys were really sharp today at training, there is a lot of motivation for us to finish the season strong,” Jooste believes.

“We are really focused on ourselves this week.

“If we can pull out our best performance, which we have been building up to all competition, it should be enough for us to have a good game and get the result.”

Indigenous jerseys W(H)AMED

Close up of the jersey.

Close up of the jersey.

With the Reds and Brumbies set to play in their Indigenous kits on Saturday, you may notice something missing from their designs: the Aboriginal flag.

The reason for this is that WAM clothing company currently own the copyright for the design of the flag and have been actively forcing sporting organisations and teams to pay a significant fee to use it.

Most recently, their asking price prevented the AFL from adopting the flag into their ‘Indigenous round’ celebrations.

This has now extended into the Wallabies new First Nations jersey for 2020, where it was revealed by The Herald that the company were asking for a flat fee to use to design, alleged to be a significant ‘six-figure’ sum.

This has angered Wallabies legend Glen Ella, who helped launch the inaugural Indigenous jersey in 2017, telling The Herald that it was ‘disheartening’.

“We’re proud of who we are and we want to represent our country and our people,” Ella said.

“Not being able to use the flag, as I keep saying, is very disheartening.

“It’s been a symbol of Aboriginal people and their struggles for many years. I was there that day and I helped promote the original jumper [in 2017]. It was a historic day.

“To have the then Australian Rugby Union use that on their national jumper – you can’t buy that.”

Ella dismissed the idea that sporting bodies like RA are being selfish by not paying up, believing that it should be common use to help represent and celebrate Aboriginal and Indigenous Australians.

“We’re not trying to make money off it. We just want to represent the people. That’s what it’s there for. To represent the people,” Ella said.

“What else do we use? As Aboriginal and Indigenous people, we need to be able to use that flag.

“I understand that people make a lot of money from selling those type of things but, in terms of the national perspective and Test matches and things like that, you should be able to use the flag.”

Shots fired

Lukhan Salakaia-Loto off-loads Reds v Rebels 2020 Super Rugby (CREDIT: Brendan Hertel/QRU)

The Reds haven’t forgotten their narrow loss to the Brumbies just over a month ago and Wallaby Lukhan Salakaia-Loto believes that the side has a score to settle on Saturday.

The Queenslanders were pipped at the bell thanks to a late Mack Hansen penalty, with the Reds looking to rectify it ahead of the finals.

“It was a pretty gut-wrenching way to go out and lose the game,” Salakaia-Loto said.

“I’m sure we can get one back up on them this week.”

After giving up a soft penalty that cost them an all-important try during the narrow loss, the 23-year-old had some choice words for the officials and winger Tom Wright.

“I hit him too hard or something,” the Wallabies forward said when about the incident.

LSL then decided to target prop Scott Sio after the pair engaged in a bit of back and forth during the contest, claiming “I’ll have to wait until the second half when he comes off the bench behind ‘Slips’ to hear a bit of the chat.”

Despite this, Salakaia-Loto admitted that the Brumbies have earned the right to trash talk as the Reds look to deliver on their immense potential.

“They’ve done it so far, they’re sitting up the top of the ladder, so they’re obviously doing something right…but they’re coming up here now. It’s good that we’re back home in front of our fans,” he said.

“We’re not looking past this week. We’ve got to focus on us and really work hard to get a result this week,

“We’re no longer a team of potential. We’re doing what we say we’re going to do.”

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    Thanks Nathan, Pity about the 7’s but I’m sure it’s just the start of more international games being cancelled or restricted. Personally I think a year to sort out some of the issues here isn’t a bad thing and while I’d love to see the ABs play the Wallabies I’m actually really enjoying a lot about the local competition.
    The Rebels better be on their game this weekend. It’s pretty obvious the Force will give it everything to try and go out with a bang and they have some smart players in their squad. Brumbies will be the same. While it won’t hurt them to lose as they get a home gam regardless, they’ll want to keep on top and the Reds are going to be fired up.
    While I get the issues with the flag I also think it’s being made to be more than what it is and the owner is just exercising the rights he’s always had. I think there’s plenty of Ways to show the indigenous culture on a jersey without using a flag that actually isn’t even an official flag of the indigenous people anyway. Yes it’s been used to represent them but that doesn’t make it official

    • Keith Butler

      Super Saturday will be interesting. A lot of folks are expecting a Rebels win but they are so inconsistent they could easily blow it against a fired up Force. Squad selection will be the talking point for the Reds and Brumbies. Reds might select a B squad to rest players for the game against the Rebs or Tahs. Brumbies could pick their top team and have the bye to recover before the final. Interesting.

      • Alister Smith

        I am thinking of that last Force game against the Waratahs in 2017 when they had a lot to play for and gave the Waratahs an arse whipping. Maybe the same can happen – I think they have a win in them if they can put out a full 80 minute performance.

        I have seen sides rest players in games like this before, copped a hiding and then, when the top players are brought back in, still struggle to get going. I don’t think it would be a good option for the Reds, perhaps, if the game is decided early, which I don’t expect it to be, they could bring some blokes off early but I think that would be as far as they would be prepared to go.

        • It wasn’t me who mentioned 2017, but thanks for bringing it up Alister!!
          Hmm, yes, arse whipping, I remember it well.
          It was a beautific sunny Perth day, leading to an evening of….

          Do I need permission to continue?

        • Hoss

          If this story involves a cousin or a small Walian native marsupial i am outta here.

        • Hopefully we’ll win this weekend eh.
          Then all you will hear about it how crap Melbourne is..again

        • Hoss

          Got my tickets Monday mate so will head down with my father and my little ones to support the sides.

          Had to scale back my sign ambitions. I had planned for an AFL style banner that the Force could run through that said ‘Do it for the Tah’s’ but due to covid i couldn’t get enough punters to hold it up, plus it has some big words on it that might confuse the Force boys. Need the WA lot focused and with their game face on to help gods chosen ones into their birthright – the finals.

        • Rebs are going down, memories of ’17.

          Wtf do you have against quokka’s anyway

        • Hoss

          I hope your prediction rings true – i’ll be cheering em on.

          As for those bloody quokka’s – its there cute faces and sunny dispositions, smug little fuckers, want to punch em right in there bloody……anyone living in WA got no right to be so happy. Except for the climate, no covid, great lifestyle and lovely reds, whats WA got going for it? Just another South Australia but with more sand & Saffa’s for mine.

        • Bit of a low blow,comparing us to S.A (either).

          Our overpriced sand is sold to China to support those Eastern stats bludgers, a word of gratitude would be in order, perhaps some of that Scotch you keep mentioning..

          And quokkas are real nice, especially with HP (not Dane).

        • Nutta

          Your reference to S.A; do you mean South Australia or South Africa? Low shot either way but just interested for clarity sake.

        • They’re different places?
          Oh crap… both then.

        • Custardtaht

          If the Force don’t win, it will be a Quokka shit.

        • Greg

          If the force don’t win, it will be because of a RA conspiracy!

        • Yowie

          …and more Pommy Bastards.
          Don’t be so culturally insensitive as to exclude them from the WA roundup.

        • Hoss

          I dont know mate, it like South Jo’burg over there and if one thing raises my hackles its that accent – sounds like a Rottweiler choking on a kitten and with an aggressive chest-cold to boot.

        • Yowie

          As described in the documentary “Lethal Weapon 2″:

          “Kind of guttural. You know, a shitty accent.”

        • Alister Smith

          you need to make the banner wider than 1.5 metres and you should be OK

        • Don’t bring math into it mate.
          NSW remember.

        • Greg

          Big words “Do it for the Tah’s” … I see what you did there!

        • Hoss

          I work on such a subliminal plain, it frightens me some times.

        • Alister Smith

          to paraphrase Clint “go ahead, make Hoss’ day!”

    • Alister Smith

      There is a Maori flag apparently – the Tino rangatiratanga flag – but I haven’t seen it used to the same extent. As you say, a flag is just one way to represent the culture, not an essential but good if you can get it.

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        Yeah there is and unlike this one it has been recognised officially as the Maori flag. I think that’s a big difference

        • Alister Smith

          The aboriginal flag has been recognised as an official flag of Australia, so I don’t think that is the issue. I think it is just that someone owned it first and maybe that was different to how the Maori flag was first designed. The suggestions have been that the government should buy it but do they then face charges that they have appropriated an aboriginal cultural icon. It is a tricky one, with a lot of the mess seemingly created by how the flag originated as someone’s design and their private property.

        • Who?

          I think the government should purchase it, then hand over administration of the flag to the appropriate department, such that it can be administered by indigenous peoples for the benefit of those peoples. I think it’s more than fair that the original designer should be paid, though I’m not as clear that the current situation isn’t also a form of appropriation. Given it is – to my understanding – being administered by a non-indigenous company for the benefit of the company, not the original owner, and with little consideration to the end users (i.e. I get the impression that indigenous users and non-indigenous users face the same costs, which doesn’t seem right to me).

          I’ve no issue with RA paying a licence fee for use of the flag, but I do think that the benefits should be to the original designer and indigenous people in general. I think RA should pay a licence fee for a national jersey, but with government ownership and indigenous administration, there’d be no reason why, say, the Ella 7’s should pay a licence fee for use of the flag on their jerseys. Because it’s community use by the owners.

        • Alister Smith

          Yes it is a tough one. it is beyond my very limited legal knowledge. Hope they can sort something out so that any benefits flow appropriately

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          I didn’t know it was officialI thought it had been adopted but not formally recognized as “The” Aboriginal flag. I would have thought that if it had been the rights to it would have passed on from an individual to a group or the government

  • Custardtaht

    At the end of the day, I understand the position RA and Ella are taking. If the flag is on the jersey, it is going to make RA money through sales and as it stands, WAM have a right to a cut. Not getting into the debate about the right or wrong of the flag being sold to WAM, it is what it is. I am with RA, don’t use the flag, it is only the cherry on top, the cake will be just as good without it.

    The Brumbies v Reds is a dead rubber, I would be hesitant about engaging in a war of attrition when the outcome affects nothing, especially considering the fallout the following week from their last encounter.

    Rebels will choke and the force will get a win.

    • Timbo

      they’re asking 20%.

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        I’m with that, good on them for looking after their product but it isn’t needed to show the indigenous picture. It’s a nice to have, not an essential

      • 20% of the entire takings?
        I might start designing flags.

        • Timbo

          I believe so. Could just be shirt sales but WAM Clothing own the design for everything not just when you stick it on a shirt. They also got done last year for selling first nations paintings and items made in Indonesia as Australian made and painted.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          You need to then have the extraordinary good luck for people to adopt it.

        • Yowie

          The designer of the rainbow flag must be kicking him/herself for not sending a load of invoices to 61.6% of the population in 2017.

      • Custardtaht

        That seems a little excessive, but as is their right. But at those rates, not sure they’ll get many takers.

    • Alister Smith

      Someone has designed the jersey as well or done the painting or artwork that the jersey is based on. I imagine they are taking a cut too (as is their right). Of course, if you are selling jersey’s at $160 a pop there is a fair bit of margin built in I would think.

      • Nutta

        A comment I heard from what I would term a ‘reasonably well placed source’ was that “They’ve used the bloody thing for years without paying anyone a fkn cent. All them bastards made money for nothing. So now the xxxxx can pay or they can fk off.” Now fair enough there is always two sides to a story and the other side are always the bastards, but nonetheless, that sounds to me like a pretty fair argument on the assumption that the likes of the AFL and RA etc – being commercial organisations – would not have paid anyone a brass razoo without being made to.

        • Alister Smith

          Yes no argument from me on that. It is commercial property. someone has designed it, they can demand that they get payment for it (or sell the rights to someone else). I was just suggesting that, on top of what RA would have to pay for the flag, they may also have to pay royalty on the actual jersey design or the artwork (unless they play a flat fee to commission that artwork). So there are a number of costs rolled up in that design, plus the cost of the manufacture.

    • idiot savant

      Not using the flag is the right strategy. Everybody should discontinue using the flag. Then the value of the brand will be worthless. That will either bring the owner to the table for a negotiation with government about purchasing the rights in perpetuity for the first nations peoples or indigenous groups can get together and design a replacement and ensure that the rights are not individually held.

  • Hoss

    Good afternoon my fellow Australians & those less fortunate in NZ,

    Had my IT boffins construct a ‘GAGR Super Coach’ page for the gathered Rugby experts that dwell on these pages.

    You can select:

    – A total squad of 46
    – Maximum 26 forwards
    – Maximum 20 fairies
    – I have added an ‘other’ box for forwards and backs so you can nominate a OS player or a player not listed

    The ‘pool’ of players listed comes from each Franchise’s listed player rosters from their web & i appreciate some are not applicable to a Wallaby position as they are foreign representatives, but its as close as i could get it.

    Oh & for total transparency i am negotiating with Facebook to sell any of your data you supply and will happily share .00001% with the GAGR community from my Island home in the Cayman’s.

    I will post the results Monday after the weekend round

    Happy voting.

    Now i can pick 16, after i nominate 30 Waratahs……..

    • Alister Smith

      I had a go but gave up. It would have been easier if they were sorted by club and not alphabetically, then I could have just picked all the Reds. Now you are forcing a Reds fan to remember the alphabet. Another cheap NSW/Waratah ploy to make it harder for Reds fans. That’s why the border is staying closed, ’cause we can’t trust people like you not to take advantage of us.

      • Yowie

        Worse that that, you need to pick 46 players in total but there are only 37 Reds available to pick (36 if Izack Rodda isn’t a Red anymore).

        Incidentally, the totals according to “Ctrl-F” are 37 Reds, 37 Waratahs, 39 Rebels and 42 Force. Typical for the Force to have the most opportunities in Australian rugby.

      • Hoss

        World domination starts with one simple link…..
        I did initially have them listed by province, but it was 5 separate pages and then there were limits to how many you could pick and blah blah blah blah blah – i am nothing if not easy………..

        • Alister Smith

          you’re fogiven then

    • Nutta

      Why can’t I just pick 43 Pigs plus a 9, 10 and a 15 to demonstrate diversity?

      • Yowie

        Yeah, the 10 can just kick the ball if he gets it.

      • Hoss

        I am very interested to learn more about this Utopia you promote. Would there be Whisky and poor quality food ?????

        • Brisneyland Local

          And loose women?

        • Hoss

          Now were got the basics for every country song ever written, just need a sick pet and we have a hit on our hands.

        • Hoss

          ‘You picked a find time to leave me Lucille, 4 hungry kids and a horse that wont heal….’

          This thing practically writes itself. I can here Yowie pluckin dem dair strings anow.

        • Brisneyland Local

          What about our Ute being stolen or broken down. Have to find a place for that.

        • Yowie

          A good place for “ute stolen” is Logan or Caboolture perhaps?

        • Hoss

          He had to sell it to pay for the surgery on lil Cal Jnrs gammy leg – hence his upset about the horse. FFS keep up you two, I have to do all the heavy lifting round here.

        • Brisneyland Local


        • Nutta
        • Brisneyland Local

          Hate the beer, but love the ad.

        • Yowie

          That pommy panel show with the middle-aged women on it? I suppose everyone has a different sense of utopia.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Very true.

        • Nutta

          One of the most enjoyable matches I ever played was Wagga Waratahs v Hay Cutters in a 3rd grade in 1992. We (Tarts) arrived with 15 Pigs and 3 Fairies.

          We settled on a tactic of 2 x 6Pig packs. The tactics were to play left/right field – if the breakdown was left side then the right side became Fairies and the right side had to win their own ball back with the left side morphing into Fairies for the next play etc etc. We used the ‘proper’ Fairies as a 9/10/15 ‘spine’ to link/distribute (clearly well ahead of our time).

          The final score was measured in tries (not points). No conversions (we barred them).

        • Yowie


          Did you attempt 16-man-per-side scrums?

        • Nutta

          Would there be whisky and poor quality food in the Utopia? Or in the discussion of the proposed Utopia?

          I would suggest that in such a Valhalla there would be no poor quality food but lots of whiskey. And beer. And rum. And pork-knuckles. And steak. And lots of sausages. And sauerkraut. And bread. And eggs. All served midst scintillating conversation with Katherine Heigl and Jessica Chastain types … wow. I best stop there.

        • donktec

          That sounds like my holidays in Germany (ok, except for the Katherine Heigl types)

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          I want to come there

        • Reds Revival

          Easy on KARL, this is a family forum.

    • Greg

      “after i nominate 30 Waratahs……..”

      Only 30? Don’t they have a B team as well?

      • Hoss

        Yep, its called ‘The Brumbies’

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    Not much of a grudge match when more players from the 2017 Force now play for the Rebels than the Force.

    • Who?

      And it’s not in either of Victoria or WA…


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