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Wednesday’s Rugby News

Wednesday’s Rugby News looks at DHP firing shots at the Reds, the Force contemplating joining the Kiwis, the Brumbies re-signing a promising star and James O’Connor opening up on his remarkable transformation.


DHP fires shots

Dane Haylett-Petty makes a break

Dane Haylett-Petty makes a break

The Rebels are entering their qualifying final against the Reds full of confidence after last week’s ‘do or die match’.

This was reinforced by Rebels captain Dane Haylett Petty, who reportedly pointing out they had already played a ‘do or die’ match against the Force three times during his press conference.

DHP believes that the Rebels will be free to play their natural style of rugby as they enter the contest as serious underdogs.

“That was probably one of the highlights of the last couple of weeks, we haven’t played our best footy but we have shown a lot of resilience and stuck at it for the full 80 minutes and never given up,” Haylett-Petty said.

“It sets us up well. We’ve had to play a do-or-die game already, the Reds haven’t.

“I think we’re in a really good position now, we can play free. The Reds are favourites playing at home, we’ve got nothing to lose.”

He then turned his attention to the Reds young squad, noting their lack of experience on the big stage.

“Experience is important but to be honest, looking at the Reds team, I can’t imagine many of them have played any finals footy, they have a lot of young guys,” he said.

“And having to play in a pressure game, a do-or-die game already suits us quite well.”

Along with this, Haylett-Perry is taking comfort in the multiple times that they crossed the Reds line (despite been held up on every attempt) during their previous encounter.

“We got over the (try) line five times last time but were held up, so we definitely take a lot of confidence in,” he said.

“We enjoy playing the Reds. In recent history, we have won more than we have lost. I’d say for large parts of both games this season we have dominated.

“We know that at our best we are good enough to beat them. We don’t feel like we have fired yet, and haven’t clicked in the last couple of weeks. we are one game away from really clicking.”

Exploring their options

Andrew Ready enjoyed scoring his try against his old team

Andrew Ready enjoyed scoring hist try against his old team

The Western Force have conceded that they may look to join the NZ competition in 2021, potentially relocating across the ditch in the process.

With the future of the Trans-Tasman tournament still up in the air, former Force captain and head of GRR Matt Hodgson told The Australian that they will weigh up their options overseas.

“There are many things to go through,” Hodgson said.

“Obviously if we are in NZ we’ve probably got to be based in there because the trans-Tasman travel budget will be up by the time you start planning these things. It’s an interesting one.”

Having been unceremoniously dumped from Super Rugby, the Force are naturally looking to cement and secure their future long term.

“Whatever we are presented with, we will take the best option for the Western Force, that’s for sure,” Hodgson said.

“We can’t just look at what 2021 is going to present but what does the future hold. That’s where we need to look at it. Align ourselves to make sure that the Western Force is secure in whatever path we take.

“I just think we have to weigh up everything. I think we were very pleased to be back this year and playing football. At the start of the year there might have been the option of not playing any football.

“We are just waiting to be presented with what it looks like from multiple different avenues. I think everyone is waiting to see what the proposal from Rugby Australia is and the like.”

Regardless of where they play, it seems that they will look to raid and recruit some of Australia’s finest, with Waratahs prop Tom Robertson reportedly signing a letter of intent whilst Hodgson also admitted that they are interested in the trio of players that departed the Reds.

“You only have to look at the ability of the player and the status of that position in Australia at the moment, we’d be silly not to look at someone like (Rodda),” said Hodgson.

“Yeah and you’d look at Will Skelton, you’d look at multiple players over there.

“We are definitely in the market for those kinds of players and we would work closely with Rugby Australia if they wanted those players to come back and play for the Wallabies.”

Return of the Mack

Mac Hansen dots down for the Vikings.

Mac Hansen dots down for the Vikings.

The Brumbies have continued their quest to re-sign their promising young talent for the foreseeable future, locking up Mack Hansen for the 2021 season.

Hansen has come through the Brumbies system since heading down from Sydney at a young age, coming through the John I Dent Cup (Gungahlin) and the NRC (Canberra Vikings).

Having played six games for the Brumbies, including slotting a last-gasp penalty to win the game against the Reds in round five, coach Dan McKellar was pleased to have the 22-year-old on board for another season at least.

“It’s great to be able to have Mack around the club for 2021,” he said in a statement.

“He’s been in the system for a long time and is another example of the Brumbies pathway supporting local talents and developing them into professional footballers.

“He’s the type of character you want around the group, he’s very well-liked by the team and the organisation and we’re all looking forward to seeing him continue to improve next year.”

Hansen was equally ecstatic to recommit to his boyhood club, looking to build off his breakout season as the Brumbies prepare for the Super Rugby final.

“To be able to continue playing for the team I grew up supporting is a great feeling,” Hansen said.

“The group here at the moment is building something special and I want to continue to be a part of that.

“To be able to work with world-class coaches and staff is a real positive and I’m looking forward to continuing to improve as a player and a person here in Canberra.”

The news comes just a week after Bayley Kuenzle re-signed for the 2021 season alongside wingers Andy Muirhead and Tom Wright.

O’Connor’s comeback

James O'Connor Brumbies v Reds Super Rugby 2020 (Photo Credit QRUBrendan Hertel)

Reds and Wallabies star James O’Connor has opened up on his remarkable career transformation as he looks to lead the Reds to the Super Rugby Australia title, starting with their qualifying final against the Rebels on Saturday.

Having exploded onto the scene as an 18-year-old, O’Connor experienced all the highs of professional sport before undergoing a rapid fall from grace after a series of injuries and off the field issues plagued his life.

Since then, O’Connor has turned around his life both on and off the field, telling Radio TAB that he has been able to work out his priorities and put rugby first.

“The biggest thing is I just have the priorities in my life the right way around now,” he said.

“I’ve put rugby first, that’s my passion and my purpose for being here.

“I lost the ability to move, I have a lot of ankle injuries and I physically broke down so I had to develop my mind a lot on and off the field so that’s put me in a great place now that I’m back moving again and able to do what I love.”

O’Connor conceded that the added attention and privileges of superstardom came too early in his career, leaving him ‘bored’ and looking for pleasures off the field.

“Yeah possibly, I guess everything happens the way it should happen,” he admitted.

“A lot of guys feel down early in the career so I got to that elite level pretty young.

“I guess one of the pitfalls for me was at 21, I felt that I couldn’t improve my game, I hit a wall where I couldn’t see any improvements.

“I was sort of getting bored and you then start chasing the wrong things and that’s when other doors started opening for me and I started enjoying my life outside of rugby probably more than I should of.”

  • Max Graham

    Matt Hodgson is a moron. He’s pissing away all the political capital his boss has earned. This is the dumbest idea – a four year old knows not to make threats this inane. He’s a absolute moron who’s miles out of his league. He should be holding a stop/go sign ffs.

    • onlinesideline

      mate I think people know he is all passion and zero politics. Any decision maker wont be affected whatsoever with his attempt to talk tough. You gotta love the guy. Its irrelevant.

      RA have already said its 5 teams in all scenarios. Hodgo is just traumatised and calling bluffs out of fear.

      • No doubting Hodgo’s passion Osl.

        RA have said many things.
        Personally I also don’t think its just a bluff..
        Maybe RA will come up with a concrete future path…maybe not.

        I’m sure it’ll all come to fruition one way or another, no matter what our opinions/beliefs are.

        • Hoss

          Yep, kudos for protecting his turf after some shitty history and if i am WA rugby i will judge RA by their actions not their words. However there must be a degree of cautious goodwill to start with and i reckon that exists at Twiggy / McLennan level at least.

        • I think so too Hoss. Have enjoyed being back in SuperAU, even with all the losses.
          Aust rugby first..

        • Hoss

          Yep. Oz rugby wins all round with the Force in. We can grow and keep more local talent as we have room to accommodate the next gen coming through with 5 teams. I would love to see a ‘player draft’ to spread talent and make all teams competitive, plus its another opportunity to talk / discuss rugby out of season. I also like a EPL type comp with tier 1 and 2 sides with promotion and relegation at stake so there’s nearly always ‘live’ games as such.

          If there’s one positive to take from the China Virus and its impacts its that everything is up for negotiation.

        • Alister Smith

          Draft would be good but also with allowances for developing talent locally. Would have been good for the Force to have had the opportunity to select Tizzano for instance. One thing the NRL has done this year, which I think might have worked in the SRA this year was to allow player loans, particularly with no comp directly under the SRA that players can get dropped back to. If, for instance, the tahs had Tizzano in their squad but weren’t using him he could be loaned to the Force. The player gets game time to develop, the loaner club ensures their player is getting competitive playing time rather than just training, and obviously the loanee gets the player. They put restrictions on including not letting that player play against the side loaning him and the loan period is limited to a month at a time and can be cancelled if the loaner club requires the player back.

        • Best way to expand Oz “elite” player base is game time at that level, which this would ensure.

          Dunno about the restrictions, on loan for the season with no if/buts. Just picture the selectors recalling players to the bench when it suits them..

        • Alister Smith

          These were shorter term loans, mainly related to the Warriors who can’t replace squad members from NZ because of COVID. They have worked pretty well. There could potentially be a player from Penrith, for instance, who will be brought back into Penrith for the finals but has been playing 4 week blocks with the Warriors. It means that Penrith get a match fit player back for the finals (though now it is starting to get complicated because there is a possibility that the Warriors will make the finals but then have to hand back some of the loan players). So I think short term and long term (full season) loans might work in the right circumstances.

          What we ideally want is the best players in our talent pool playing at the highest level – if Thorn could have loaned KH, QC etc out if he wasn’t going to use them, for instance, then we would have had them still playing at the highest level rather than playing in Premier Rugby. That is maybe not the best example. It am more thinking about a player like Hunter Paisami next year. I am not sure how long he is signed to the Reds for and if they can use him in their match day squad and he is getting some time, well great. But if they aren’t going to use him for a period, wouldn’t it be better to see him running around for the Force etc for a few weeks and if JP gets injured he can be brought back into the Reds again.

        • Hoss

          100% agree. HO makes a good point about local content, but to me there’s no downside. If locally grown talent cant make it they go into the draft so all players get picked up nationally first before looking to go OS. i would also like to see standardised contracts weighted v an agreed RA / RUPA co-efficient, tiering or ranking so you couldn’t have $1.2m tied up in one player for exampl. Perhaps a ‘tiering’ is way to go based on years of service, national representative games etc etc etc. If Rugby is gonna be professional, lets make it uber professional and look at ideas discarded previously.

          Rugby in Australia is only limited by its thinking. Think new – get new i reckon.

        • Alister Smith

          I would also like to see World Rugby bring in transfer fees, so that the union where a player played his U20 rugby, for instance, has to receive compensation from an overseas club. Not on a national basis – so a player going to the Reds from Victoria, for instance, doesn’t have to pay but a player developed in Australia or Fiji, who goes to Toulon….well there needs to be some compensation paid to the home union. (and yes that does perhaps raise some issues around the accountability of some national unions but you need to also set up some rules around that).

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          Is WA in or outside Australia?

        • Alister Smith

          ask me in March next year

        • Reds Revival

          I’ve heard this concept before, and it makes a lot of sense. It means that Academies that do their job well in developing the talent get rewarded. A win all round.

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          Tizzano and others may prefer to play their rugby closer to his family. He didn’t have that option last year when he signed with the Tahs, Ra may help to help the Force get the generation of young players they lost back. It is surely should be more difficult to attract players from the other side of the continent to WA than to get your own WA players back. It could also help their rugby if they are around those that support them.

        • Always points for and against.
          I like the idea of a player draft and EPL type comp though Im sure many disagree

        • Yowie

          But what if a player ends up in NSW instead of somewhere nice?

        • well…
          As I said, for/against

        • Custardtaht

          They become a Wallaby.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          Divisions with relegation/promotion only work if there isn’t too big a gap. Soccer is low scoring and luck plays a major part in results, so a large salary difference between teams doesn’t translate to such a big difference on the field. Funding 2nd divisions adequately is problematic in all sports except soccer, particularly these days when people mostly want to watch the highest level and TV money is so important.

        • Hoss

          I dont think you could do one without t’other (Draft & Tiered league / Relegation) and also a salary cap. Plus a mid season draft / transfer window as well.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          But how does that fund the lower division?

          I guess you can reduce the difference between divisions by setting the salary cap of the top division so low that it’s close to what 2nd division teams can afford. But you’re then reducing the ability of the top division from attracting/retaining talent from overseas.

        • JJ

          I would rather have the Force playing SuperAU, but with no broadcasting money, there may not be a SuperAU in 2021.

      • Max Graham

        Very good post! Maybe I’m too harsh on him.

    • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

      Hodgson would be a moron if he does not ensure their are options independent of RA for the Force to play in for 2021 and beyond. The Force’s participation in Superugby AU is a one year commercial deal that provides no long term security. RA will must likely offer the Force another one year commercial deal for 2021 that may be just better than their next best alternative. Without an alternative you have no power in the negotiations. The Force will be expanded to pay to play, while every other franchise will be fully funded by RA.

      RA has not made any changes to their governance nor constitution that would give the Force any confidence that RA will not unceremoniously axe them again when they don’t need us anymore.

      • And all those who supported the Forces removal, somehow now feel victimised..
        Whatever will be will be.

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          They should not feel victimised as they do not need an alternative like the Force does, as they are part of RA.

      • Alister Smith

        It is a bit like offering the tv rights to other providers. Trying to generate some competitive tension. I guess the Force really don’t owe RA anything and, if they were the only Australian team in a Trans-Tasman competition, then their ability to attract the best players might improve. I think you could make a decent team out from all the Australian players playing in the NH at the moment – though it might be a costly exercise, that is not necessarily a limitation for the Force if they want to go that way. There would be questions about eligibility for the Wallabies and about playing games in front of home crowds. As an East Coaster, I don’t really feel I have any rights to dictate to the Force organisation or WA Rugby what they do, we gave that up that right when we excluded them from the comp. Personally, I hope they stay in Australia but it is really up to them.

        • Yowie

          As an East Coaster, I don’t really feel I have any rights to dictate to the Force organisation or WA Rugby what they do…

          What crazy talk is this? Do you not go to the East Coast Elite Club meetings?

        • Alister Smith

          apparently my voting rights were withdrawn after someone saw an earlier GAGR post where I pretended to by fair and balanced in a vain attempt to get upvotes from Force supporters

        • Damn. I take it all back and invoke the law of…well, something not polite.

        • Alister Smith

          as long as you aren’t invoking the law of primo nocta (the one from Braveheart that allowed the Lord to have relations with any bride in his area on their wedding night) then I am OK with that.

          I was actually signed up as a potential Force investor in the public float thing before it all went arse up, and I am genuinely supportive of my western brothers and sisters in rugby (even though I am not allowed to visit).

          I think RA did what was easy rather than what was right in 2017 but hopefully we will be given the opportunity to grow together going forward.

        • Hoss

          I dont know – the Forces team song is fairly aggressive – seems little room for forgiveness.

          Few of the sins of the father, are visited upon the son
          Hearts have been hard, our hands have been clenched in a fist too long
          Our sons will never be soldiers, our daughters will never need guns
          These are the yrs between
          These are the yrs that were hard fought and won
          Contracts torn at the edges, old signatures stained with tears
          Seasons of war and peace, these should not be forgotten yaers
          Still it aches like tetanus, it reeks of politics
          How many dreams remain? This is a feeling too strong to contain

        • Alister Smith

          Did Peter Garret throw in some free choreography lessons for a Force dance along with those team song lyrics?

        • Hoss

          Like a frog in a blender simultaneously suffering severe body cramps.

        • Brisneyland Local

          and having a stroke!

        • Hoss

          I am not that attracted to frogs BL, must be a Queensland thing i guess.

        • Yowie

          Marion Cotillard is alright.

        • Keith Butler

          Saw the Oils for the first time in Hobart in 2017. Absolutely awesome thought Garrett had St Vitus Dance.

        • Hoss

          From a golden era of Oz bands – as good live as they were in the studios. INXS, The Oils, Aussie Crawl, Hudu Gurus, hunters and collectors…..getting misty just typing it in…..time for a bourbon and the AirPods.

        • Keith Butler

          My first visit to Oz in 1980/81. Arrived on the day John Lennon was shot and was too jet lagged and hung over to wonder why the youth were wandering around Fed Square in Melbourne with lighted candles. Saw Aussie Crawl with the Mayoress in Waverley with much frotting followed by Cold Chisel at the Flemington with Jimmy Barnes, vodka bottle in hands jumping off stacks of speakers. The impetuousness of youth. Now all I have is alcohol and Panadol osteo.

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          Apologies to WE Henley
          Beyond this place of wrath and tears
          Looms but the Horror of the shade
          And yet the menace of the years
          Finds and shall find me unafraid.
          It matters not how strait the gate,
          How charged with punishments the scroll,
          I am the master of my fate,
          I am the captain of my soul.

        • Perth girl

          We’re the Force, try and understand it,
          Make a noise and make it clear,
          Oh Whoa, whoa,
          We’re not gonna sit in silence, We’re not gonna live in fear,
          Oh Whoa, whoa,
          This time we know we can all stand together, with the power to be powerful,
          Believing we can make it better,
          We’re all someones daughter,
          We’re all someone’s son
          We’re the Force try and understand it!
          An Aussie classic!

        • Ads

          Farnsy is a tops Victorian. Bet he supports the Rebels.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Written (well, co-written) by a Kiwi, too.Could be apposite.

        • Yowie

          EDIT – deleted. responding to the wrong post

        • Alister Smith

          that must have been spicey for you to delete it

        • Yowie

          No comment, other than to say that a certain Hollywood science-fiction based church is very quick on the draw with libel claims.

        • Geoffro

          Isn’t saying it’s science fiction based libellous.It’s ok to take the piss out of a religion,just ask Kyle Sandilands.

        • Yowie

          I didn’t say which Hollywood science-fiction based church. Could be anything.

        • Geoffro

          Could it be a certain religion where the most prominent members are as wealthy as feck…oh,hang on-still no clue.

        • Hoss

          Hang on a Xemu damn minute. Are you saying that Xemu ISNT the dictator of the “Galactic Confederacy” who brought billions of his people to Earth (then known as “Teegeeack”) in DC-8-like spacecraft 75 million years ago, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs.

          Wheres your evidence blasphemer.

        • Yowie

          I was about to write “Why would the central powerful figure kill loads of his own people? That makes no sense.”

          Then I realised, had i done so, I would be in the sh!t with a few other religions too.

        • Hoss

          Explain that to the mad Queen – Daenerys Targaryen

        • Yowie

          or Stalin for that matter.

          (I missed the Game of Thrones boat so I know feck-all about it)

        • Geoffro

          At least Uncle Joe showed you don’t have to be religous to participate in genocide

        • Yowie

          Incidentally, i recommend the film “Death of Stalin” – p!ss funny, especially Jason Isaacs as Field Marshal Zhukov. Eg on the topic of coup timing:-

          Zhukov : Now, it’s got to be tomorrow.
          Nikita Khrushchev : Tomorrow?
          Zhukov : Sorry, you busy washing your hair or what?
          Nikita Khrushchev : Tomorrow’s the funeral.
          Zhukov : Yeah, the day that the entire f*cking Army’s in town with their guns.

        • Geoffro

          Hehehe,yeah.Those crazy russkies.Such a sense of humour da ?

        • Custardtaht

          Don’t worry mate, online streaming services will be available in Qld one day.

        • Nutta

          I thought you meant Liz. Thanks for clarifying.

        • Keith Butler

          Steady on Nutta that’s my a Queen you’re bagging.

        • Nutta

          And I see what you did there…

          Look I was really aware of that. I was torn between ripping straight into the 10,001 blood-risers of ‘Come out you black & tans’ through to ‘I love my little Armalite’ and running around the street outside lighting drum fires and chucking bricks at passing Land Rovers but then reflecting on how we try to keep things a tad more restrained these days (within reason…ahem). So I just started humming Fields of Athenry under my breath, went back to my uni readings of the Heresay rule and the implications of s65(8) of the Evidence Act and admiring Hoss for his good sense. Detente in action. Peace Brother.

        • Keith Butler

          And unto you.

        • Alister Smith

          It worked for Rev Jim Jones, and David Kuresh…well not really “worked ” I guess

        • Yowie

          Well, can we disprove that their respective acolytes got “the Rapture”?

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          You are absolutely correct that East Cost Rugby lost the right to tell the Force what they could or couldn’t do. Until RA treat the Force and fund the Force like any of the other Australian franchises the Force will remain the outsider of Australian rugby.

        • Nutta

          And they have form that when they were shut out they didn’t fold – rather they (well their benefactor, but anyways… details…) started their own global competition. So if they say they want to play in NZ then it won’t be a lack of either cash & intent that stops them.

          The only mistake made with crazy bastards is not believing they will actually do it.

      • Perth girl

        Well said Hannes! Why should we trust RA.

      • Max Graham

        He hasn’t done that. He says he’s done that. He’s a clown.

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          Max, I don’t get your logic. Goodwill is important in business but only as far as the other party also acts in an honourable way. If you deal with someone like Clive Palmer or Rugby Australia you need to cover your basis and have alternatives and be pretty sure of your legal position. I prefer not to do business with parties like that, but sometimes you just have to as there is no alternative.

        • Max Graham

          Agree. The Force just lost some goodwill. That’s why it was dumb. The new RA doesn’t seem like arseholes, but Matt Hodgson is coming across like one. Plus, he’s a moron as he spent this goodwill on a transparent bluff.

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          I still don’t get it. Clive Palmer have more goodwill in WA than RA.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      or alternatively, with nothing secured for either 2021 or the future yet with RA and being wary of being screwed by them in the past he’s looking at options.

      • Geoffro

        I wouldnt expect them to sit on their hands either. Cheetahs and Spears went to Europe with SARUs blessing after they couldnt accomodate them in SR.I dont see what the outrage may be about

      • JJ

        I think you are on the right track KwaAussie

      • Max Graham

        What options? There is no option for the Force to move to NZ. Is ridiculously dumb. It’s a transparent, childish, amateurish attempt to claim negotiation leverage, but it does the opposite.

        RA is now entitled to say to NZR, “okay, we will drop a team, let’s do a deal.”

        I hope they don’t as I want the Force in. But they need to ditch that imbecile.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          To be fair I Don’t think that the Force going to NZ would be good for either them or NZ but I do tend to feel for the Force not having a lot of confidence in being looked after by RA after the way they were shafted

    • Perth girl

      Your a moron if you think Matt is a moron! Have you ever met the man! Twiggy is a good judge of character unlike you.

      • Reds Revival

        Geez PG, you’ve come out swinging tonight – everyone is in your firing line!
        “Hell hath no fury like a woman choc a block full of the angry pills”, or something along those lines.

        • JJ

          Geez Red, PG is responding to somebody calling Matt a moron. Have a good look at yourself in the mirror.

      • Ads

        I believe “you’re a moron” is grammatically correct.

        • Yowie

          Your write their about the erogenous grammar.

        • Perth girl

          Of course you are right! My sentiment remains the same though

      • I’m sure Matt has been called much worse PG, on and off field.

        I doubt if he’d care too much about keyboard warriors attempted insults on a forum.

        I presume Max thinks Hodgo just started mouthing off somewhere public and making some perceived threat.
        I’d also guess this was without reading or listening to the interview.

      • Max Graham

        Yes, I have met him actually. Know others that have that think he’s a moron. They think that because he comes across as a dumb. Btw, it’s you’re not your. ;)

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    Thanks Nathan.

    Good to see DHP has retained the skills learnt from Cheika about how to talk during a press interview and like when we used to get thisa sort of crap from the Cheika led team, “do your talking on the field boy – you’ve done nothing this year that demonstrates you can match what you’re saying”. While part of me thinks it’d be good for rugby here to see a strong rebels team I’m not sure they will be good enough to beat the Reds at home.

    While I can see why the Force would want to keep their options open after being screwed by RA in the past and with nothing firm for 2021 and beyond yet I’m not sure that it’d be in either NZ’s or the Force’s best interest to have them in a NZ competition. Apart from anything else they are at best a Mitre 10 level team and even then not a good one.

    Great news from the Brumbies in retaining some of their youngsters, it’s good to see that there are actually some plans to move forward and that these guys see that as an option.

    • Nutta

      You angry today?

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        No more than normal mate. DHP’s post did shit me a bit as it brought back all the hurt of the Chieka/arse clown era

        • Yowie

          Are these painful Cheika flashbacks going to occur every time someone talks a load of drivel at a press conference?

        • Geoffro

          Yep.Takes a while to get over those bum trips

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Yeah I know mate. and……. breathe

        • Hoss

          Remember when he thought Spanners accidentally ate his sandwich on the bus on the way to the game – man was that uncomfortable viewing….

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=TdCJ5RyNN-c&feature=emb_logo

        • Yowie

          It’s not even a fair accusation. By the law of averages, if food is missing a front rower probably ate it.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          hahahahahaha I love this. Not sure it’s an effective long term process but it certainly worked that day

        • Hoss

          It’s not a role you can play often. Angry dog barks at you once you jump, angry dog barks twice you a bit unsettled, angry dog barks three time you go ‘what dog?’

        • Twoilms

          Yeah, you start relying on this angry man routine and your employees just start to resent you.

          Needs to be saved for a very rainy day.

        • Geoffro

          Dane is all cock a hoop now after actually crafting a bit of top class play on Sat arvo.Lets see if he can bring a bit more of that this week-Doubt it though

    • Keith Butler

      DHP should engage brain before opening mouth.

  • Custardtaht

    Wednesday’s News, sees the Rebels talking themselves up after scrapping past the force. The Rebels should take no confidence from their last game and the only thing they should take from it, is that they made the finals.

    The Force are traitors if they switch to the Empire. Not that I think the Empire would be overly interested in having a whipping post in their competition.

    JOC should be given first crack at the Wallaby 10 jersey.

    • Thomas Murray

      That’s the way the Force…Hahaha,Get beaten and learn from the Masters

    • Perth girl

      The traitors are the Unions who stayed silent when RA was doing the Force over in 2017!

  • Hoss

    I thought the Force were an OS franchise already ? I’ve lost a few bets and been to WA more than i care to remember. Its a different language, i believe the currency is different, the time zones are all out of whack (i remember reading they are 24 years and 6.37 hours behind) and once you leave Perth its all desert anyway. And how many games did they win in SRA again – that dont bode real well for playing the Sheep Shagger comp dont it.

    One to many scrums Matt, one too many scrums.

    • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

      If you consider that the Force has no vote and that Rugby Australia refuse to spend money on the Force, then West Australia are not yet in Australia

      • Hoss

        My point exactly – thank you Hannes.

        Finally.

      • Andrew Luscombe

        I think there is a case under the RA constitution that the Force could make to get a vote if they wanted to.

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          The Force would need their Superugby Operating license back that is held by Rugby Australia. Giving the Force their vote back will change the dynamics at Rugby Australia with NSW and QLD both having 3 votes, VIC and ACT 2 votes each and WA with a single vote. Giving the Force that extra vote would mean that NSW and QLD will not have a clear majority on Superugby matters. There are other parties including the RUPA and South Australia that also can vote with RUPA often siding with NSW and QLD.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          The RA constitution says that all Australian teams entered into Super Rugby or an equivalent successor competition are voting members of RA. From many points of view, Super Rugby AU is a successor competition. It is not international, but in all other respects it is a successor competition. It serves many of the same purposes as the level of competition just below international level from a player development and marketing point of view. There is a case to be made. It’s a stronger case than the Force had before.

        • Get the Force officially back into RA one way or another.

      • Hoss

        You stay out of this. I am still coughing up fishing line from you malicious attack yesterday.

    • Custardtaht

      oh I don’t know Hoss, the Force will fancy themselves against the Crusaders. I think their record against the crusaders is better than their record against most other Super Rugby teams.

    • JJ

      No broadcasting contract might mean there is little or no money to pay the Tahs, Reds, Rebels and Brumbies players in 2021. So it is possible there may not be a SRA next year.
      Smart move by Matt and Twiggy, to explore all options of making sure the Force have somewhere to play next year.

      • Hoss

        No doubt you need a plan B, but you dont scream out the cards you are holding, its more effective to let people think you are holding deuces instead of 6’s then you have more bargaining power.

        • JJ

          Well if we are playing poker, then it could be a bluff? Or a double bluff maybe? But we are not playing cards.

        • Custardtaht

          Ahhh, but an open Misere is a killer bid if you pull it off

      • Perth girl

        Come on JJ there will always be money for the Rebels, Clarke’s in charge remember!

        • JJ

          Ok, now I am pretty certain I know which Perth girl you are! When the RA piggy bank eventually runs dry, even Clarke cannot prop them or NSW and Qld up anymore.
          As a Wallaby fan, I dont want the RA or even the Rebels to go under, but things are not looking good. What a wasteland Clyne has left behind himself.

        • Perth girl

          Have we met?

        • JJ

          Yes, at the Senate Inquiry and once after a Force game. If thats who I think you are?

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          “….wasteland Clyne has left behind…”

          And that is an understatement as we don’t even know what he really agreed in secret behind closed doors. It will eventually become clear.

    • Perth girl

      Thank goodness for our hard border Hoss, you won’t be made to come here again!

    • Me too Hoss. Regardless of that, why make a permanent move to Kiwiland. Is Mr. Forrest going to fit the bill for families to move also, for the duration of the season? Expensive move even for Mr. Forrest. Why not invest in WA Rugby WITHIN Super Rugby AU or Super Trans Tasman Rugby.

  • Not a surprise that the Force may consider joining the Kiwis. Kill Rugby in Western Australia but a business decision for Mr. Forrest who has been very quiet of late. Personally, I was hoping he would use his wealth to build The Trans Tasman competition. He appeared to be the man who held all the cards. That said, if he/The Force goes, that leaves four Australian Franchises which may be more attractive to the Kiwis for a TT comp in 2021 or 2022.

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