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Wednesday’s Rugby News

Wednesday’s Rugby News looks at Swinton’s suspension, Nine’s broadcast innovations, Eddie’s wild tactic and the new member of the Wallabies camp.


Swinton draws four

Lachlan Swinton, Tyrel Lomax and Sam Whitelock

Lachlan Swinton, Tyrel Lomax and Sam Whitelock

Australia and Waratahs flanker Lachie Swinton has had a rough time at World Rugby’s ‘Wheel of Punishment’, handed down a four-match suspension for his high tackle on Sam Whitelock.

Swinton made history, becoming the first Wallaby on debut to be sent for the field for a high tackle that many believed didn’t warrant it in the first place.

However, SANZAAR has thought otherwise, handing him a six-match ban, which was set to be three with an early guilty plea, however, has been bumped up to four due to multiple prior offences.

“Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles and additional evidence, including submissions from his legal representative, Maryjane Crabtree, the Foul Play Review Committee upheld the Red Card under Law 9.13,” Adam Casselden SC said in a statement.

“With respect to sanction the Foul Play Review Committee deemed the act of foul play merited a mid-range entry point of six weeks due to the World Rugby instructions that dictate any incident of foul play involving contact with the head must start at a mid-range level.

“However, taking into account mitigating factors including the fact the Player has pleaded guilty at the first available opportunity, the Foul Play Review Committee reduced the suspension to four weeks. The Player was not entitled to a full 50% reduction due to the presence of two prior offences on his record.

“The player is therefore suspended for 4 weeks, up to and including Saturday 6 February 2021.”

All Blacks prop Ofa Tu’ungafasi faces the panel on Tuesday night (at the time of writing) for his tackle on Wallabies winger Tom Wright.

Fresh start

Water Boy James O'Connor

Water Boy James O’Connor

After securing the broadcast rights for the next three years (with a two-year option), Channel Nine has hinted at a raft of changes and innovations in the hopes of producing an ‘NRL-standard broadcasts’ for Super Rugby and the Wallabies

Nine CEO Hugh Marks has made his desire for innovation very clear in rugba leag, one of the driving forces behind the introduction of the six-again rule which significantly improved the pace of play.

Whilst he concedes that he can’t do the same thing to the laws of a global sport, Nine is eager to lead to way when it comes to transforming how it is broadcasted.

This includes drone technology, up to double the number of cameras, a fresh commentary team and a revamped graphics package, which was one of the key motivators behind Rugby Australia’s unanimous decision to go with Nine.

“We were very impressed with the approach Nine’s production innovation and what they want to bring to the game,” RA chief executive Rob Clarke said.

“I think they feel as though there is a real option to lift the production levels and take it to a new standard.

“I think they’re looking at additional cameras and using additional technology to just enhance the way fans can engage through the broadcast platform.”

This will likely continue into the booth, with names such as Drew Mitchell already considered to be in their plans for the future.

“I’ve had more opinions about commentators in the last two weeks than I care to remember,” Marks said.

“Mind you, it’s better than someone asking me on the sideline about Today show hosts or Richard Wilkins or any of that sort of stuff. It’s nice to have something new and creative to turn your mind to.

“What is going to be the right mix going forward? I will expect you see some change – details of which are yet to be resolved – but we have already started talking to people and I think there are a lot of great people around rugby. There are a lot of good options for us.”

Someone that we definitely know that will be brought in as a consultant is Ben Kimber, which is a great move if anyone has seen his work with The Rugby Ruckus podcast/newsletter (PS. if you need a journo/commentator, let us know)

Explorer Eddie

Cranky Eddie Jones at post-match press-conference. Not impressed with Stephen Hoiles' question

Cranky Eddie Jones at post-match press-conference. Not impressed with Stephen Hoiles’ question

Always one to push the boundaries, Eddie Jones is set to implore a radical change for England’s clash against Georgia.

Thinking outside of the box, Jones has revealed he’s keen to start with nine forwards and six backs in their Autumn Nations Cup opener.

This was a tactic brought in by Jones when he was in charge of Japan, using to success in a previous clash against ‘The Lelos’ in 2015, starting former Reds number eight Henrik Tui on the wing before the 2015 World Cup.

“Georgia are the fathers of wrestling. They are all about manhood and being physical,” Jones said.

“I remember the last time we played them for Japan before the 2015 World Cup, we played them with nine forwards and six backs, such was the strength of their pack.

“We won 13-10. The previous time we played them we were pumped 25-12, so it worked brilliantly.

‘We might consider doing the same again. Ollie Thorley, Ben Earl – there are a number of guys we are trying to make into hybrid players.”

With all sports facing a significant financial strain as a result of the pandemic, Jones is keen to start moulding ‘hybrid players’ with squad sizes diminishing.

“How teams operate will be different. Every sport, particularly rugby, has been blown up through television rights and what will happen is that squads will become smaller and will need more multi-skilled players,” he said.

“We got criticised a lot for playing like Tom Curry, who can play six, seven and No8, but they are the sort of players you’re going to need to have: Jack Nowell being able to play wing or flanker, Ben Earl being able to play flanker or wing.

“So my message would be to learn what you can now, find a way to be active and productive and be ready for the future.”

Vuni’s in

Wallabies pre-kickoff

Wallabies pre-kickoff

The Wallabies are set to welcome a fresh face in camp with former Storm winger Suliasi Vunivalu set to join the squad when they reconvene on Wednesday afternoon.

The Herald broke the news on Tuesday that the Fijian flyer is set to join coach Dave Rennie’s squad and begin training with the group on Wednesday, pending COVID testing.

Whilst it may come to a shock to many, this is a regular practice for the Wallabies, who have a history of blooding/drafting players of interest into camp, usually for Spring Tours.

This was used to introduce former Storm teammate and Wallabies winger Marika Koroibete into the set-up, who travelled with the group in 2016 before making his debut 12 months later.

His inclusion should be no indication of a shock debut like certain publications have alluded to, with the report suggesting that it is ‘extremely unlikely’ that he features against Argentina.

Vunivalu will likely use the experience to get back up to speed with the 15-a-side code, having made his name with Auckland rugby nursery Saint Kentigern’s before briefly featuring in the Auckland Blues’ academy squad.

Vunivalu blossomed into one of the NRL’s premier wingers during his five-year, capping his time in the sport with a premiership, scoring a sensational individual, intercept try for the Storm.

Whilst he has admitted in the past that he still harbours dreams of returning back to the Storm, the allure of a gold jersey remains a strong one for the 24-year-old.

“I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t,” he told NZ Herald.

“It would be a dream to wear the green and gold Wallabies jersey.”

  • sambo6

    “NRL-standard broadcasts’ for Super Rugby and the Wallabies”……WHOOAAAAAA!!!!….TURN IT UP!!!!!!!!

    • GeorgiaSatellite

      Henceforth, the object previously known as “the ball” shall be referred to as “the football”. No one knows why.

      • Geoffro

        The “ball” or “football” , either or for me.Just dont call the bloody thing the “pill”

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Although “spill the pill” does tend to roll off the tongue…

        • Geoffro

          Yeah,but coughed up the ball sounds better than coughed up the pill :)

      • Andrew Luscombe

        Because it has always been a football.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Aww, come on! I played football when I was young, it’s a game, not an object.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          Everyone I played with all my life called it a football. My father and his team mates called it a football. My grand father and his brothers called it a football.

          I’ve seen articles in news papers from the 1800s in which it was called a football.

          There is an old expression “to be kicked around like a football” which dates back hundreds of years.

          In many places it has always been called a football.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Wow, Andrew. You’re really taking this seriously. It started as a dig at the Loigies – specifically Sterlo. Perhaps it’s their ‘overuse’ that irks me so. In any case, I defer to your historical knowledge.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          I do seem to be taking it seriously don’t I. It’s my writing style combined with me only watching league on occasion every few years. I didn’t know Peter Stirling overused football.

    • Missing Link

      “Let’s see that again on the R.M. Williams replay”

      • onlinesideline

        as long as its not the Harvey Norman replay

      • Who?

        Will the page to flip to the RM Williams Replay have a naked Hugh Jackman on it..? Might help with some viewership metrics… :-

    • Geoffro

      I’m pumped.Just need to bring Tina out of retirement

    • Greg

      Guys,

      honestly, we are not in a position to slag off the mungo commentators!

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        hahahaha so true

    • RedAnt

      Channel Noine is a frantic search for the next Darrel Eastlake as we speak.

      • Funk

        I’m sure Sean Maloney will put his hand up.

      • GeorgiaSatellite

        “Comments from the Super Coach”

      • Alister Smith

        I have a sneaking suspicion that Peter Fitsimons will be involved. He writes for Nine papers and is the only Rugby player currently on the Sports Sunday panel. Not my cup of tea to be honest but might be the BIG personality Nine think they need.

        • RedAnt

          Yep, fair guess I’d say.

        • Alister Smith

          Hope we’re wrong.

  • theduke

    After more than a decade of steady decline, something had to change. I’m excited to see some fresh ideas into rugby broadcasting. Drew Mitchell could be a good option. He’s intelligent and has personality.

    I’d also love to see Japan brought closer into the fold so we have some more accessible time zones. Six nations rugby is such a terrific experience. When you’re in Europe in February and can sit in a pub all day to watch three exciting games of rugby back to back, it’s one of life’s great pleasures. Also, a trip to Japan to watch rugby every other year would be great!

    • Geoffro

      heard Billy Meakes calling an NRC game last year,thought he was a natural,dont know if he has aspirations in that direction.Gawd help us if they let The Honeybadger anywhere near it but I wouldn’t be surprised due Nines propensity for having clowns run the sideline commentary.

      • onlinesideline

        “The boys over at 9 gave me a call and said – how’d you like to throw on the earphones and call a match or too. I said you little ripper, I’ll be over faster than a rat up a drain pipe. They said calm down calm down. Its not to next year. Which suits me really as Ive been busier than a 1 armed bricklayer in Bagdad. Anyway sees ya’s there then. May get tempted to even throw on the boots. Better ask the Mrs. Hey hold on I’m single. Nearly forgot “

        • Yowie

          Channel 9 would still get complaints from Loig fans that all of the Union commentators sound like posh wankers to them.

        • onlinesideline

          Well they sort of have a point. Honey Badger talk is country talk and we all know our roots here in the country. A long time ago it was Uncle George and Aunty Posie who visited the colonies and decided to stay after sighting “extraodinaryy farming opportunities”. And I would rather suggest “that somewhere along the lines, we were in fact RATHER QUITE POSH”

          “As opposed to that significantly distinct and rather un endearing surburban half-mumble that seems to permeate that other rugby code, whose name escapes me for the moment”

        • Crescent

          Sorry, for a moment there I misinterpreted the “knowing our roots” comment – I thought you would be unlikely to find many strangers in the smaller towns….

        • Geoffro

          As opposed to just wankers ?

        • Yowie

          The distribution of “being a wanker” in the population doesn’t discriminate by income, class, politics, ethnicity or even gender.

          There is a strong correlation for BMW drivers though.

        • Geoffro

          Huh ? coodga soy that agin strayan yuh wanka

        • onlinesideline

          There is a strong correlation between BMW drivers and large mosquito eye sunnies too

          Oh screw it, i cant think of the correct description.
          its getting late here.
          Woggy look maybe ?
          Apparetly the word bogan and wog arent offensive these days

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Pfft! The word moist is apparently offensive to some people, just makes me want to use it more

        • Damo

          Tony Greig pitch report. “Well Richie, it looks like a bit of non dryness has seeped under the covers from the overnight rain. Should help the bowlers this morning”

      • Kevino

        Sam Jefferies use to be good on the odd cameo for Fox sports.

        As long as none of the current Fox sports guys are hired, Im happy with who ever they choose. No Kearns, Marto etc

    • Hambone

      Check out the Aussie rugby show on YouTube. Maloney and Mitchell.. good laugh

      • Reds Revival

        The Aussie Rugby Show, along with the Rugby Report Card are my two favourite rugby shows. Genuinely entertaining!

    • idiot savant

      Please not Drew. He does have some insights but he is far too in love with himself. I would endorse his speech impediment as positive diversity and inclusion if he was half as funny as he thinks he is. And he was one of the leaders of the culture that endorsed positive coverage of Cheika in return for insider access to the Wallaby camp. The little Fox Sports cabal. That kind of reporting relationship where speaking truth to power is not allowed has to be eradicated for the game to mature.

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        with you 100% on that. Lost a lot of integrity in my eyes with the way he sucked up to Cheika

  • Steve

    Really interested to see how Nine handle the broadcast rights, and whether they are genuinely interested in growing the viewership or whether they think it’s just random shit to put alongside the main course of League. I’m a little bit nervous about how much they consign to streaming.

    Question to those in Aus (I’ve been offshore for 10 years now) – Is streaming considered more or less equivalent to broadcast TV now? Do platforms like Stan come built into new TV’s so you can easily switch over? If so I guess I’d be less worried about the distinction.

    Re: Swinton’s suspension, nothing was ever going to be different, quite clearly a red card leading to quite clearly a suspension under current law interpretation. I’d rather that than hearing stories of ex-players suffering debilitating TBI, so certain ex-players and commentators can go ahead and fk off.

    • Missing Link

      Despite not buying a new TV for a while, I think my 7 year old TV has Stan as one of the apps. It’s nothing that purchasing a chromecast for around $50 can’t fix though.

      • Steve

        Thanks – so not exiled completely then.

        I asked my 70yo Dad and he’d never heard of it but since he asked me what the Netflix button on his new TV remote was going to do if he pushed it, he may not be the best barometer.

        • Missing Link

          if you have an old TV or non “smart TV” just get a chromecast. if you’re not aware, your phone becomes a remote, so you hook up the chromecast to your home wifi and connect your phone to the same wifi and get the google home app. then in any app with video, you can hit the cast button and select your chromecast and whatever is on your phone will appear on your tv. effectively if it works in an app on your phone, then you will be able to cast it to the tv screen. unfortunately your 70yo Dad might end up chucking it through a window but if you’re even the smallest bit tech savvy it shouldn’t be too hard to set up.

        • Yowie

          Son. THAT’s the phone and THAT’s the TV remote. And you worry about ME getting alzheimers.

        • Geoffro

          Sounds ok,I’m pretty techo for an old fella…(umm,whats an apt,all I can see is a round thing with holes innit on my phone)

        • idiot savant

          Or you can just watch it on your computer….

        • laurence king

          I was able to get it working, however, I didn’t know what I was doing. And for the life of me, I couldn’t tell you 5 minutes later what I did. It was akin to winning a lucky dip

    • GeorgiaSatellite

      Fair cop re Swinton. Let’s hope the same standards are applied in the other hearing, because it was a nigh-identical incident. Now that I think about it, maybe Tu’ungafasi should get a longer spell for “setting a bad example to the new caps”.

    • nmpcart

      Stan is widely used, streaming is big in Oz.

    • Tah Tragic

      Per ABC article in April 2020. Netflix has the most subscribers in Australia (11.9 million) followed by Foxtel (5.2 million) and Stan (3.3 million). A total of 14.5m Aussies paid for streaming services.

      Note people often pay for multiple services that’s why there are more than 14.5m if you add up the individual numbers. Apparently Amazon is a long way behind these. I’m note sure if the Foxtel numbers include Kayo but I’m guessing they do.

      • Steve

        Fragmentation of the market is gonna be such a fkn pain isn’t it…Netflix has shown no interest in live events so we’re all gonna be paying 5 subscriptions soon.

        • Tah Tragic

          Yes, I had Foxtel, Stan and Netflix. Thankfully I only have 2 now.

        • Geoffro

          Tend to play musical chairs with the streaming services otherwise the cost gets a bit out of hand

        • Ant

          It’ll happen. Here is the states we are currently subscribing to Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime (though that’s more for the free delivery than the service), Disney+, and HBO-Go. Oh, and ESPN+ as well right now so I can watch the Wallabies.

          It’s like we all agreed to get away from cable TV… and just invented 5 new versions of it.

          (Though to be fair, we’re sharing these across the extended family, so sharing the cost).

        • Patrick

          Already the case here in France as well: we have Canal+ and Netflix and Amazon and even had an additional service, OCS (for game of thrones) at one point. And I’ve thought about the Sky service on top of it but it is another AUD 65 pm here.

      • RahRah

        I have Fox, Netflix and Stan.

        • Geoffro

          Me too.Unfortunately , Ive watched everything Ive wanted to see on all three.Time to cull a couple I think

        • laurence king

          I get Netflix and Stan via the kids, so no cost to me lol

      • idiot savant

        I think its a great decision. When Foxtel first bought into Australian rugby they were a growing business willing to splash cash. Now they are a declining business. Stan on the other hand are a growing business willing to take some risks. Sure they got it cheap, particularly with a Lions series and RWC coming up. But its a buyers market and there is more upside for the game with some free to air coverage.

    • Hambone

      Its where its all heading. I read they have 2M subscribers currently. We will see a massive push over the coming years to dedicated streaming services for sports and the likes.
      I’m currently overseas aswell and use rugbypass, sky sports rugby streaming service, 5.99 a month, pretty comprehensive rugby package. My only issue is getting the TV space from the kids, so I end up down the pub most matches and use it for a non beer goggle replay the next day.
      I’m happy they canned fox, and from info in press release they sound like they really want to drop some coin into it with a fresh commentary team to boot. Maybe they could add the ole wired world of sports skits with the honey badger on ground

      • Patrick

        My kids understand that it would be a poor decision to play an online game during a Wallaby match

      • Steve

        Yeah I think it’s interesting tbh but definitely the future.

        Not knowing the local market it’s tough to know whether people see moving games to Stan as a snub to the game or a legit alternative, shame they are moving some Wallabies games off FTA tho.

    • donktec

      I’ve been watching matches on Kayo since SRA and SRAU kicked off. Having the replay and rewind options is pretty handy, and no ads during play. Sent from the phone to chromecast to watch on the big screen, occasional glitches, but overall been happy with it.

    • Who?

      I know more people with Stan subscriptions than Amazon subscriptions. Including my past-retirement-age mother. That’s partially because Amazon’s commercial offerings are still (from everything I’ve seen) thankfully still underwhelming down here. Thankfully, because I think Bezos is a bigger threat to democracy than even Murdoch (and we see how people paint him).

      Stan’s definitely side part player compared to Netflix (and likely also Disney Plus), though. And Fox, well, they’ve done well with Kayo, not sure how they’re going with their new streaming offering ‘Binge’..?

      The real question is about how they work metrics.

      EDIT: I should say, I know of plenty of people who have Kayo for Rugby only, and they’re going to dump that for Stan.

      • laurence king

        That would be me

  • Missing Link

    Well I’ve been AWOL for a few days, I wish I could say I’ve been celebrating the win for 3 days straight and my head hurts, but sadly no, I’ve been flat out with work. Nevertheless what a win, it was by no means pretty but I believe some boys became men on Saturday night.

    First of all I was proven wrong within 3 minutes as Hodge put in that kick to Banks who found Wright to score. I said last week that Wright wouldn’t see much ball with Hodge at 10, but it was good to see the Wallabies play no frills test rugby and it worked. Of course there were some mitigating factors like NZ selection shuffles and a few cards in the mix, but it was good to see NZ called out when it came down to the dark arts of slapping the ball out of the 9’s hands when you’re lying on the ground.

    Anyway, I thought Tom Wright had a great debut as well as Swinton, minus the card, he put on some serious hits to keep the pressure on NZ and Koroibete was literally everywhere. I just wish we had a solution for Simmons and Hanigan. This week, Lolesio then had the opportunity to come on and play his own game and he looked so much better than he did last week, obviously it’s a different situation and hopefully got over his nerves because he didn’t look out of place. not a bad effort scoring a try in your debut and beating the All Blacks in your second outing.

    speaking of, it’s good to see Rennie get a win. playing your first 4 games, all against NZ, to come away with a win and a draw isn’t bad at all considering it could have been 0-4, he just needs to build on it, adapt and improve, and not fall into doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I think that’s where cheika ended up in the end. series losses to england and ireland and getting bundled out of RWC2019, and probably thinking “I don’t know how this is happening, let’s do it all over again next week boys”.

  • Yowie

    …including submissions from his legal representative, Maryjane Crabtree,…

    I wonder if Maryjane is available to defend minor drug possession charges.

    • Funk

      She is but you have to be prepared for her random fits of the giggles, regularly popping out for some snacks and the waiting room Cypress Hill muzac…

      • Missing Link

        and BBQ Shapes… lots and lots of BBQ Shapes

    • Damo

      Is this legit or do lawyers invent stage names now? “…and representing the defendant today, Lady Gaga”

      • Yowie

        Yeah, stage names. Plus I’m pretty sure court appearances are now done by a boxing MC with extra hype music and an entourage.

        “And now….representing the defendant….undefeated in the small claims tribunal…the Thrilla with Manila (folders)…Mr Nine-Lives for Drink Drives…

        • Damo

          Ha ha. And I believe wig pulling is instant disqualification.

        • Geoffro

          True ? (since I’m such an angelic lad with little exposure to law courts , my only experience is what I see in fillums.Ive always hoped the art imitates true life)

  • Nutta

    Do we know the actual date of transition for the tv coverage? The knock-on effect for the Foxtel business will be interesting…

    • Yowie

      Do we know if Foxtel will concede to 9 or throw around claims of bidding fraud?

      • Missing Link

        BUT FOXTEL WON THE POPULAR VOTE!!!!

      • Geoffro

        Yeah,there was rumour Kerry Packer sealed the decision for 9

      • Nutta

        I hereby authorise all random individuals to conduct whatever investigations they can dream up to support any unfounded accusations made specifically in-support of known unscrupulous actors.

        • Yowie

          It cracks me up that the Orange crew have opened up a “report voter fraud” hotline, and that people are prank calling it mercilessly (eg. reporting the Hamburglar sneaking around on election day).

        • Nutta

          Not as funny as a politician holding a press conference outside a shop that moves industrial amounts of horseshit, wedged in between a crematorium-supply shop and a sex-toy wholesaler.

          So he is selling horseshit outside a shop that sells horseshit and if he steps either way he’s fkd.

          Gold.

          Apparently the horseshit sellers (the legit ones) have a new best selling item – a bumper sticker that says “Make America Rake Again”. $5 each.

        • Yowie

          That was brilliant. The last few days have shown what happens when the vast supporting apparatus pulls back and leaves a bunch of crackpot incompetents to make their own arrangements.

        • Who?

          Colbert gave a similar analysis, but pointed out he was halfway between being F’d and dead.

  • Ads

    Why’s there no verdict for Ofa?

    • Funk

      I’m sure it is because of the very strong mitigating circumstances…I can hear QC Nigel Hampton now “yes it was a definite red card infringement, but he is an all black, so we can reduce the suspension from 6 weeks to zero”

      • Damo

        “… and he is free to enter all breakdowns from the side for the next 6 matches”

        • Yowie

          Is that all? Harsh sentence for an All Black. Appeal coming for sure.

    • Who?

      Because Ofa’s legal team’s trying to use the same memory wiping protocols on the judiciary that he used for the Remy Grosso high shot from 2018…

  • Timbo

    Surely anyone who gets hit in a red card incident should have a HIA. I mean if the incident is severe enough for the tackler to be carded, it should mean the ball runner be checked for a head knock right?

    • Geoffro

      You would think so though fortunately the punishment meted out is not proportionate to how hurt the respondent is

    • Reds Revival

      That’s a fair call Timbo. If there is no issue than they come straight back on.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Not necessarily. The offence is for the danger of injury with a hit to the head, not for causing actual injury. People are so different that they are all affected differently from a similar blow, even the same person can be hit in almost the same place and manner and have a different reaction. The referee’s have received some pretty extensive training in recognising concussion and I’m confident in them making the call from what they see.

  • RahRah

    Drew Mitchel? Where’s that vomit emoji?

    • onlinesideline

      Its an interesting phenomenon – the drew Mitchell thing. I have a sneaking suspicion when you get to know him he’s actually a top bloke. That’s what I glean anyhow.

      From a distance I think whats at play here is the “Peter Perfect First Batch Prefect Syndrome” – which I must admit I scornfully sniggered at in my school years.

      Some people would have alteranative descriptions for it, but I digress.

      • Geoffro

        Favourite one I saw of Mitchell was when he was taking the piss out of Foley…’nard looked he was ready to plant one on him.

      • RahRah

        Yeah he ain’t my cuppa tea at all (I’m sure that will keep him up at nights) – I’m not interested in sports/movie stars thoughts on morality or moral codes.

  • Geoffro

    The kids have probably beat him to it

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    Thanks Nathan,

    Pity about Swinton his aggression will be missed. He needs to sort out and focus his aggression better though as it’s easy to become a penalty magnet to referees and then you end up getting pinged for things others don’t just because of your reputation.

    Nine certainly is making the right noises and it’ll be good to see if they follow through on the promises. Pretty happy with this and looking forward to some FTA rugby next year. I see NZ are talking about another Super Aotearoa with a final and then a Cross Tasman competition. I hope it goes ahead.

    So another ex League hopeful comes in at the expense of a young rug by player brought through the system. No wonder so many young players go to league, it pays more and it’s an easier path to the Wallabies. I hope he proves to be a good player but I remain very sceptical of the process with RA. If they think they’re good enough, go play for a Super team and prove it. sorry bit of a whinge but this shits me. You’d think RA would have learnt by now.

    Gotta love Jones. Always something to get the pens going

    • Geoffro

      Agree re Vunivalu. Knows his way to the tryline but have seen little of his yet to indicate he’ll be Wallaby material.Took quite a while to get Marika up to speed and I get a bit pissed for guys like Andy Muirhead who I reckon deserves a bit of exposure at least at the train on level

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        Absolutely mate TBH I don’t think Marika is there yet either. I think he still struggles with his positioning and defence at times. But he will certainly improve under the current coaching team which will be good.

      • Damo

        And we should never forget the difference in the ball in hand challenge for a winger when there are 13 defenders spread across the field vs 15 and at the breakdown the D line is 10 metres back (except markers) vs last feet. I remember Dell doing a lot of cross field running that achieved nothing other than buggering up the support structure.

    • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

      Vunivalu has quite an extensive rugby background, from Fiji as a kid, and in a few talent identification programs, including spending time as part of the Auckland Blues academy, which is where the Storm found him.

      He’s one of ours, thankfully back in the fold, he’s not a clueless convert like Sailor.

      Whether he should be part of the national training set-up immediately is a matter for smarter minds than mine to debate.

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        I get he’s played rugby before. Probably didn’t get selected out of the academy for good reasons though. Good on him for what’s happening but I’m not convinced

        • Funk

          Just because they weren’t school boy prodigies or selected straight from the academy doesn’t necessarily reflect their their skills or level of development years later…Fardy being case in point.
          I’m more than happy to wait and see, though he did look very impressive in league.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Mate I agree with that and look he may well prove to be a great asset for RA and the Wallabies. I just don’t like the idea of these people getting a free run into rugby until they’ve proved themselves. I also don’t believe anyone can just cross over and be brilliant in the new code, no matter how good they were in the old one. They all need time to relearn the changes between the two codes. For all his good play Koroibete was pretty sad on defence and positioning for years and even now still makes mistakes under pressure because his instincts still sit between the two codes a bit. I used to be wrapped when he was picked early on, he might get a try or two but you’d always know that for everyone he got he’d let in 3 by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now I know a lot of that was the sheer incompetence of the last coaching group and I’m sure this group will handle that a lot better but I still feel it’s a kick in the guts for all the rugby players doing their time and going through the system here. No wonder so many tell rugby to fuck off

        • Yowie

          …he’d let in 3 by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now I know a lot of that was the sheer incompetence of the last coaching group…

          You don’t need to defend if you always attack, know-what-I-mean.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Hahahaha so true mate

      • Alister Smith

        Good aerial skills, possibly the best in RL, genuine pace, very strong, and good defensively – would be one of RLs best natural athletes. It will be great to see him outside JP at the Reds on the end of a great Reds backline.

  • The Jackal

    Fascinating how the TV rights played out. Nine play poor during COVID renegotiations with NRL and get a $30 million a year discount. They then spend said discount on picking up another sport which will be used to launch a new service.

    The second layer to this and why I think they will treat Rugby with respect and try to pump up the tyres is that they can then turn around to V’landys at the next FTA TV rights negotiations coming up with the NRL for 2022 onwards and play hard ball on the price because they already have a winter sport contingency waiting in the wings.

    Fascinating as well with FOXTEL trying to save some money and be more frugal have opened the door for the emergence of a genuine competitor who are already talking of hosting all Tennis Grand Slams along with all Southern Hemisphere rugby. Am I missing something of is this a masterclass in maneuvering from Nine.

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    I know what each of those words mean but I still have no idea what you just wrote

    • Yowie

      My router is Makita brand and I can’t find “QOS” on it anywhere. Should I get a Ryobi one instead?

      • Greg

        I am afraid Yowie you might be routed.

      • laurence king

        I’m not very good with a router so I tend to use chisels

        • Yowie

          I don’t actually have a router and my chisels are a cheap set (now being paid for in swear words). I’ve become a fan of the die grinder for removing materials for many applications.

        • Reds Revival

          I’ve become a fan of the die grinder for removing materials for many applications. Including fingers.

        • Yowie

          That would be pretty horrible. I definitely treat the die grinder with full respect & concentration when using it.

        • Damo

          You know you can just uninstall apps.

    • Mica

      It lets you prioritise your network traffic. I.e. more bandwidth for rugby less for online gaming.

  • onlinesideline

    Another year goes by and another opportunity missed to include 1 or 2 islander teams in our Super comp, whatever form it takes. How RA dont see the value in that I have no idea. Especially with only 5 teams. Regardless of whether they stitch up a playoff series with the kiwi Super comp afterwards, this is a part of the game we should be nurturing domestically.

    • Who?

      Isn’t that agreed for 2022? That, from 2022, we go to 5 Aussie teams, 5 Kiwi teams, a Fijian team, and Moana Pasifika? It’s just a matter of time, Covid and financial due diligence.

      • Yowie

        Sh!t. Not a lot of time to figure out how to screw Western Australia again.

        • need some tips?

        • Yowie

          Yeah. I missed the last East Coast Elite Club conspiracy meeting.
          Now I don’t know if we’re still going to use the 5G network to cause coronavirus in WA or if we just get our mates at the Clinton & Hollywood Underground Cabal to do something.

        • Alister Smith

          I think the Force with their recent signings are preparing to make sure they are one of the sides chosen and might even be in a position to be a single Oz side with 5 NZ and 2 Pacific. An 8 team comp would probably be enough for them and they could then probably force us to change the numbers. Whatever happens I don’t think WA are likely to be f@cked over this time.

      • onlinesideline

        todays news is your answer – 2021 = 10 teams and no islanders

  • Who?
    • Reds Revival

      How long did he get?

      • Who?

        Same ruling as Swinton, which meant 6 weeks discounted to 3 weeks for an early guilty plea (how it’s an early guilty plea when he went to the judiciary is beyond me), but without the extra week for the ‘dirty’ record Swinton has.

        To me, that all smacks of terrible inconsistency. Tu’ungafasi literally smashed Remy Grosso’s face, yet he has a clean record? He went to the judiciary, Foster was talking about mitigating factors, yet it’s considered an early guilty plea and given a discount?

        No consistency in any of that. Happy with the equal penalty of six weeks, but the rest of the process – the discounting – is truly inconsistent and farcical.

        • Reds Revival

          That’s what I don’t get. Why is it considered an early guilty plea when they were going to challenge the ruling, due to “mitigating factors”? I agree that it seems a little inconsistent, but 1 week is not a major difference.

        • Who?

          And the off field for YC for breaking Grosso’s face wasn’t considered.

          I agree, a week’s not a huge difference, but it goes to the frustration around inconsistencies with WR’s judicial system, and the impression some people have that Kiwis get away with more than average. From this, to the Grosso case, to BOD…..

        • Nutta

          He fractured Grosso’s skull but he didn’t get cited/suspended. Thus he’s clean. Sounds like our criminal justice system.

        • Who?

          Off field YC was apparently sufficient for that.

          Clearly a tough guy – loves smashing wingers’ faces. :-

  • Patrick

    I am really not an IT person, I actually used to just block all other devices if I had a problem :)

    But in my new house I have to use a hot spot on my phone whilst we wait for the fibre to deploy so it does not arise.

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