The Deans Boson: ‘Bledisloe Particle’ Yet To Be Discovered

Roscoe Tims July 10, 2012 69

No GravatarAbout 20 minutes into the third All Blacks v. Ireland Test match an injury stoppage was punctuated by some muzak streaming over the sound system, as it does.

This catchy little number was in fact a guitar instrumental played by New Zealand’s answer to Chet Atkins in the Sixties and Seventies (or Desiree Bassett to you young ‘uns in the new millennium) — Peter Posa.

Called White Rabbit, it was indeed quite appropriate for the Irish — they were whitewashed after being caught like a rabbit in the headlights!

Is it going to be played again when the Wallabies take on the All Blacks at Eden Park in the second Test of this year’s three-match Bledisloe Cup series?

If you’re only as good as your last game then some of you will be thinking that we could be in some sort of trouble, but let’s put the northern hemisphere opposition in June into some perspective — the Welsh are Six Nations champions and had five wins out of five games; the Irish won just two in that series.

On their recent tour the Paddys were missing some heavy cavalry like Paul O’Connell, Tommy Bowe and Stephen Ferris, but still managed to give the All Blacks a fright in the second Test.

There’s no doubt we had the harder mission, but when you look at the way the All Blacks demolished the Irish in that third Test, then I think we could be in for another one of those years. The skill set, physicality and downright athleticism of this All Blacks team is awe-inspiring.

The last time the Wallabies put on a display like that was in Paris in 2010, although if you remember, the scrummaging in that game was diabolical. That just goes to show what impact this aspect of a match can have sometimes, when the rest of it is on song.

This year, there was the initial Scotland disaster (much lauded in the northern hemisphere) and with a three–zip win in the Welsh series the vaunted Wallabies attack didn’t really click, although, to be fair, there were injury disruptions.

That’s not really an excuse because there are always injuries, but a fully fit Wallabies backline that includes Genia, Cooper, Barnes, O’Connor (although not likely to be available for TRC/Bledisloe), Beale, Ashley-Cooper and Ioane is a pretty slick unit — the jury’s still out on Horne but nevertheless, he ain’t no Conrad Smith…

The news that Sonny of the Boxing World won’t be around to impose his physical presence and off-loading skills on the Wobblies is a big blow to New Zealanders, but isn’t all that bad for us! Still, Ma’a Nonu isn’t too shabby a replacement despite his recent lack of success with the Auckland Blues.

It’s in the forwards mano-a-mano where I think we’ll struggle to gain parity. Yep, if you dug deep into your heart and were truthful with yourself there wouldn’t be too many Wallabies you’d select in an ANZAC pack. I can probably think of three.

You’d have to include McCaw (at No. 6), Read, Sam Whitelock, Woodcock and either of the Franks (Owen preferably). The loose forward depth in New Zealand rugby is frightening at the moment with Messam, Thompson, Vito, Kaino (currently injured) and now Sam Cane also in the mix.

We’ve never been able to adapt to the Large Hadron Collisions at the breakdown, with the All Blacks counter-rucking machine creating turnover ball as required. And, if you mention the word ‘counter’ in an AB context, think of the damage Dagg, Guildford, Gear, Kahui, Jane, Ben Smith and Julian Savea can do in counter attack.

Is this going to be our year to regain the Bledisloe Cup? Not fuckin’ likely… Certainly, not on the evidence of our Super Rugby efforts. And you and I know it’s bullshit when coaches try and separate Super Rugby form with the international season. Of course it’s bloody related!

We’ll probably only have one franchise in the finals series, the Brumbies. They deserve it too. They’re a team that have definitely over-achieved, but they haven’t actually defeated a top six team in the process. I’d imagine they’ll be bundled out of the finals fairly early in the piece.

Two Kiwi teams will definitely be there and potentially a third (the Hurricanes). By the way, the South Africans have at least three viable options this year so watch out for them when they transfer that to the international front.

Sorry — my glass is half-empty this time round with regard to the Bledisloe. The Wallabies backs (fully fit) look a good match for the All Blacks but I’m struggling to see any dominance in the forwards without Horwill, Vickerman, Elsom, potentially an injury-prone Taf (Squeak is a must-have), and the lack of another international quality lock and prop, and maybe a bit more depth all-round.

Blame Dingo if you like, but he’s only as good as the cattle he’s got to work with. I’m not a hater unlike some of you guys…

Am I right? Or, am I right?

Discussion

  • Skyblue

    Your bang on roscoe..but we enjoy hyping our wobblys up before the beledisloe its the only excitement we get.only to have our fire put out though.but thats life as a wallabie supporter.our fowards are a bunch of marshmellows who dont want to get theyre shirt dirty maybe, I dont know?? Your rite we just dont have the depth.watch out for safas aswel,they’ve got sum young guns comin through too.can everybody get off quades penis hes played two alrite games of super rugby and now hes our backline saviour.i think we’ve all forgot what happen last year..

    • Trys NOT Kicks

      Last year we won the Tri Nations by beating the ABs in the decider.

      • Skyblue

        Yeah a game that counted for nothing.

        • TimB

          Nothing except the Tri-Nations trophy

        • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com Moses

          The Tri-Nations trophy – FOR EVER!

        • wiggety

          Anyone who thinks that last year’s tri-nations was an important win is delusional. Both NZ and SA treated it as a testing ground for the RWC.

        • http://BigFella Big Fella

          Wiggety, is that trialling by the All Blacks you refer to here, similar to the trialling they conducted between 1987 and 2011 in off shore Rugby World Cups?

    • The Rant

      Don’t know if anyone else caught it – but Mackenzie has had a pretty nice *subtle as fuck* dig a Deans in the media today. There’s an article about him expecting big things from cooper this week in which he goes on to say that they’ll win if they can execute on this weeks strategy – developed for the tahs, for this week only. He then goes on to stress the point that if there is a man who can go out an execute a strategy – it’s cooper. He loves it and he follows the plan to the letter. While reading I couldn’t help think this was making the point that Deans couldn’t make a strategy to get out of a fantastic furniture shop. Quade needs direction and a plan – if an opportunity comes he’s going to take it, but for the other 85minutes you need a plan, some basic tactics – and they need to change to match your opponent.
      Maybe he’s right, maybe he’s big upping himself and his proven ability to get Genia/Cooper to change style from week to week to beat more fancied opponents?
      The fact is Cooper went to peices in NZ last year (fact!) and there was no sign of a plan or strategy with the ball or even an afterthought of a safety net/backup plan. Perhaps if you placed Deans at one end of a hydrogen collider and one of Link’s playbooks and Bob dwyers coaching manuals at the other and turned it up to buggery we’d see a collision big enough to produce evidence of a solid plan built on solid rugby sense an maybe even the first name on a new trophy.

  • Trys NOT Kicks

    I think you are largely right–the All Blacks have a fairly imposing pack and while I think we have parity with their backs I don’t think the same with the forwards.

    But then I think (like you mentioned) that the Welsh were the toughest NH team (and I watched all the 6 nations games and believe me they are far and away the best). And arguably they also have the best work around the breakdown and yet we dominated possession, led by captain Pocock.

    Meanwhile the All Blacks had their forward pack bullied in the second match against the Irish-so we have hope I reckon.

    I guess in conclusion I am, as always, optimistic. We can win the Bledisloe and we should certainly challenge the ABs.

  • KDog

    Deans Particle will never discover a Bledisloe……
    I used to be pretty keen on the Deans team, however a Deans team has had 5 years to produce what????

    A coach has only a certain amount of time to stamp his authority and culture. If he can’t do it he won’t. Because people will not buy his story, his strategy … his past means nothing you are only as good as your last performance.

    For Deans the time has come and gone. His strategy was badly exposed at the World Cup last year. FF sake we lost against Ireland, no Pocock back up and then his back line strategy his having Mcabe and Horn run as hard as they can and straight. Pat McAbe bought into Deans shit… and had to have a shoulder reconstruction. What kind of fukin coach asks that of his players.

    Where was our attack against Wales.. Ok we are number 2 and thats where we will stay and belong under Deans.

    Don’t get me wrong he is a good coach… but he has run his course.

    Don’t blame the cattle… look at what White has done with his cattle. Look at what Mckenzie has done. Blame the coach

    Deans can’t even fukin talk normal… “Huh its an opportunity for the boys to stand up and be remembered” Uum excuse me coach what is your strategy…. with regards the scrums…. and regards attack???

    At least Mckenzie will talk about what he is doing.

    Time for Deans to Deapart

    • murph

      What he said

    • Trys NOT Kicks

      I agree—I have faith in the cattle. Not in the coach.

      • murph

        I don’t have faith in the cattle. The choice of cattle is a basic problem with the team and directly attributable to the coach.

        • Trys NOT Kicks

          Im not particularly fond of the centre pairing and I think that we should blood some new players in the 2nd row (Im not even going to touch the front row…never played their and only have a pretty basic understanding) but what else would you change?

          Our back three are great, are fly half position now has depth and strength and I am pleased with the back-row (albeit Higgers is perhaps not who I would chose, but that is arguable and im a red).
          So much of the cattle (IMO) is good–so surely what we need is a new coach?

    • wiggety

      Completely agree with K-dog.

      And add to that, for all the years approaching the RWC, we developed a dual playmaker game, which was coming on just nicely, then ditched it last minute for a straight running center approach. Doubly infuriating when the straight running centers chosen are journey men (McCabe is not even close to Mortlock quality), and we have an abundance of high quality playmakers to choose from (Cooper, Barnes, O’connor, Beale etc).

  • Ath

    Sad but true, all blacks are the clear favourites on form, for Eden Park.

    But Hansen isn’t Henry. Hansen also doesn’t have Smith behind him. I wouldn’t count that canny bugger Deans out just yet.

    2 Aussie home games after that, create doubt at Eden park and it will be on for young and old, win and theyre in trouble.

  • Ath

    Sad but true, all blacks are the clear favourites on form, for Eden Park.

    But Hansen isn’t Henry. Hansen also doesn’t have Smith behind him. I wouldn’t count that canny bugger Deans out just yet.

    2 Aussie home games after that, create doubt at Eden park and it will be on for young and old.

  • Redsfan1

    I agree largely with the article. I’m not getting too excited by our Bledisloe prospects, hopefully then I will be surprised.

    I’m certainly not buying into comments from AAC & others that this ‘is our time’… I’ve heard all the big talk before & then seen our forwards lack any bite.

    • Wolfie

      I’m still optimistic, and still recall the negative chat around the 2003 RWC. Apparently we were NEVER going to beat NZ, and we went alright (granted we didn’t get the big one).

      Upon this I hang all our hopes…ever

      • murph

        We hadn’t counted on Spencer, Mitchell & (drumroll please) Deans

  • johnny-boy

    No Roscoe you’re wrong. We do have the cattle. This is just the classic gutless copout you hear from quite a few limp wristed fake Aussie rugby supporters. Grow some nuts ffs ! Our main problem is a deadshit kiwi coach either sent here to fuck us up or or is doing a fantastic job of it without any prompting. The reason it appears we don’t have the cattle is because dumbass Deans won’t give our best cattle a fucking go !. We’ve got clumsy pseudo mungoes like McCabe and Horne running round in the backline and the most useless prop Australia has ever had, Ben Alexander still getting in to the f… squad ffs. Neither Messam, or Vito, or Cane are scary. What pussy milk are you drinking ? Lay off the hand cream man, geez. Wallabies that would make the ANZAC team hands down would be Moore, TPN maybe, Horwill (when fit) AWH, Pocock and Higginbotham. Thats plenty enough to do some serious damage if only we didnt have a brain dead and foreign bloody coach. If the right backs were selected we could comfortably outwit the All Blacks but no, we have to put with dumbass Deans trying to convince Aussie rugby suipporters we must draughthorses for backs cos we’ll never be good enough. Well I’ve had fucking gutful. It’s the fucking coach stupid !
    Have I made my point clear enough ?

    • Roscoe Tims

      Tell us what you really think Johnny? Nah, the coach is a factor for sure but it’s the cattle and our footy just isn’t tough enough…

      • johnny-boy

        Roscoe the Wallabies wiped the All Blacks off the paddock at Suncorp last year. So they definitely have it in them. The significance being it was Horwills first game as captain when Deans would have had minimal opportunity to influence the team. The Wallabies just went out behind Horwill with some good old fashioned Aussie mongrel and rip in to them attitude. Sam Scott Young would have been proud. But since then when Deans has had more time to mould them in to a reflection of himself, it’s been pretty much depressing dullsville since then. Cooper got it right with his comments re Deans’ game plane at the world cup, even tho it might temporarily cost him his spot

        • Skyblue

          Yeah that and hongkong johnyboy.but what about the other 10 we lost

      • Old Weary

        Roscoe – I have to agree with Johnny-Boy here (although my words will not be as eloquent).

        With the greatest respect, this sort of stuff is already being printed in droves on the silver fern and all NZ and SA papers, and IMO don’t think we need to be discussing half empty views before the first whistle even blown.

        I don’t for a second think that anyone on this site believes we will easily win vs the AB’s – that is why they are a clear no. 1 in the world for a reason. Yes they have an immense pool of talent – but so do we. Moore, Pocock, Genia, Cooper, Beale, O’Connor etc etc When the boys click, they are world beaters – fact.

        Not including any Wallabies in an ANZAC 15 is complete and utter rubbish – I love reading these blog articles for the fact that it pumps me up for Australian rugby (rose tinted glasses and all), and happy to leave the half empty views for Mr Growden to print.

        I for one am bloody excited about this upcoming series. It will be tough no doubt, but if our combination work and we get the rub of the green, then we can send Sharpie off in style!

    • Robson

      I have a distinct feeling that you have made your point clear johnny-boy. Having said that I couldn’t articulate any better myself.

      I am personally deeply and bitterly disappointed with Deans and some of his selections notwithstanding the apparent lack of a backline strategy (from a former All Black backs coach) leave me utterly gobsmacked.

      • Blinky Bill

        Don’t you listen to him johnny-boy. You haven’t been nearly clear enough. ;)

        Would you mind please saying it all again for those of us who are sloooow? :(

    • Riccardo

      JohnnyBoy. A comical rant. I have some sympathy regarding Dingo although I’d wait until your injured roster is available for selection and the TRC & Bledisloe and maybe end of year tours are completed before passing judgment. I have to concede his style, some odd selections and poor use of the bench have not melded well with the Australian psyche. However your claim that Moore, TPN maybe, Horwill (when fit) AWH, Pocock and Higginbotham would make an ANZAC Team is fantasy. Horwill and Pocock MAY make the squad but the starting 15? Maybe. As for comfortably outwitting the All Blacks? The Wallabies have done this before but IMO you will struggle to do this with the limited front-foot ball the All Black forwards will allow you and your other traditionally strong set-piece in the line-outs will be somewhat negated by Retallick/Romano/Whitelock this year too. I do think the Wallaby back row is a good one but only good enough for parity and likely to be exposed on counter-ruck. Either way, the Wallabies will be competitive as always and I am looking forward to the battle. I really hope your conspiracy theory about Dingo being a plant is just humour though mate. You shold see someone about that…

    • colvin

      Interesting rant and good fun. But I would have thought Genia would be one of your best chances of making an ANZAC team.

      Concerning the cattle, don’t forget this year was about the worst year ever for the Aussie franchises. Some people say that result was due to lack of cattle. And for sure it wasn’t Robbie’s fault.

  • Lindommer

    Until we play harder rugby in Oz we’ll always sruggle against the ABs. Witness our constant spectating at breakdowns while a few AB hardnuts counter-ruck us off the pill. NZ have always put their best athletes in the backrow while we’ve put ours in the centres. Australian rugby’s successful periods have coincided when we’ve had a strong 4 to 8 in the forwards, I don’t think we can say that at the moment.

    Deans is an excellent coach with good cattle, but I think he must be chastised for the development of second-rowers at the moment. Some of Cardy, Douglas, Jones, Kimlin, Neville, Pyle or Wykes should’ve been taken on tour and tried at the next level, in my opinion, before Timani. And he deserves a kick in the bum for buggerising around Kepu and Alexander on their weaker sides. However, the front row looks passable, for now.

    • StraighthrutheMiddle

      I aggree, he just has been shithouse at blodding decent second rowers.We absolutely have the cattle.Look at what Macqueen did in 18 months at teh rebels and how Macenzie has built a real TEAM t the reds…Ewen clearly knows how to coach, that includes,
      SELECTIONS,
      STRATEGY AND
      GEEEING THEM RIGHT UP

      Deanss has failed on all 3

  • johnny-boy

    While I’m in rant mode, SBW and honour are two mutually exclusive words. Just ask his ex girlfriend about life savers and toilets. SBW knows when to leave when he’s been found out. He’d been worked out in league so took off, he’s been pretty much worked out in rugby by southern hemisphere teams. so off he goes. If he was tough enough he’d be using his big frame in the forwards. But he aint. He prefers the easy way.

    • Roscoe Tims

      Deans certainly hasn’t covered himself in glory and I’d hazard a guess he’ll be sacked when the Bledisloe & TRC doesn’t come our way this year. The 2011 Tri-Nations was devalued by the pre-RWC shenanigans. Sadly Horwill won’t be there to inject his mongrel into it. At least Sharpie’s hanging around – we’d be in a spot of bother otherwise.

      • MisplacedCanuck

        mongrel and Horwill aren’t two words I would use together….mongrel and Vickerman works much better.

        • mark conley

          So true! Horwill a worker yes, try-hard mongrel, no Vickerman!

    • Riccardo

      JohnnyBoy: “Just ask his girlfriend about lifesavers and toilets”. Classic! The rest of your rant is off the mark mate. It’s true he chases the bucks but he’s a professional sportsman JB. He got conned into a 5 yr deal with the Doggies @ $400k annually and had to pay $750k to exit the deal. I dispute he’s been found out in Rugby. I started as a critic but his rugby has won me over. The shame about his moving on is that he is just starting to show how good a footballer he could be and it is my opinion he could have become one of the great All Blacks and the immediate paydays he seeks now would have come over time with that gig. Panasonic and the Roosters are lucky to have him IMO. I just hope the young man hasn’t made the biggest mistake of his career. He has the potential to be that good…

  • Ballymore kid

    Definitely the cattle. The coach can only inspire and create so many wins from the cattle.
    One only has to look at the Super 15 rugby derby which is advantageous to an underperforming Australian conference. With one final spot always going to be guaranteed to an Aussie team. The local Aust derby is well below par in comparison to the local NZ derby. You can’t tell me the Brumbies/Tahs match was more exciting than the Chiefs/Crusaders or previous Brumbies/Reds and the Chiefs/Blues!!
    And we expect our Wallabies to then lift from those derbies. Having said that the Wallabies have always played to the ability of their opponent, a very different approach to the ABs who play at a level regardless of their opponent.
    Deans is a good coach with 7? Super rugby championships under his belt and is now being compared to Link with 1 championship (thanks also to the change to Super 15 system).
    One only has to look at the club/ 7s/ school boys structure to determine where and how our players are being developed – which they aren’t (where’s the Aussie equivalent of the Currie Cup and ITM cup??). Still a long way to go sadly for the union fans! Here’s hoping the Wallabies don’t get too beaten up by the ABs in the Rugby champs this year (not to mention by the Pumas and Boks!!) – nevertheless I will be there to cheer them on…

    • Mart

      Your point is that he is a good..scrap that excellent super rugby coach.

      No doubting that.

      He was definitely the right option when hired BUT it has not translated !!!!!

      And yes good point we need to develop the third tier.

      Finish the state grade rugby comps a few weeks early and the top 4 or so teams from each state compete in a national finals system over the last month or so.
      Thoughts?

  • Chris McDonald

    Just pointing out that the 3rd Test Match was in Hamilton. I personally think that NZ generally have better players at the moment but Robbie Deans’ poor coaching certainly accentuates this. The difference an excellent coaching structure can make is evident in the way the Chiefs have become an amazing side this year after years of mediocrity beforehand.

    • Patrick

      Or Jake White at the Brumbies!

      • Skyblue

        Hahaha got any more drugs jumbo81… Pump our team up as much as you like but not much has changed from last year.comparing individuals in a forward pack means nothing when they cant gel togeather and be a force. As for robinson and higgas being the best in the world? Your an idiot.read will leave this fool for dead

  • Jimbo81

    Totally disagree! I don;t for a second believe we cant beat the AB’s up front. We have the best forwards on the planet!

    Backrow of
    6. Robinson, 7. Pocock, and 8. Higginbotham is the best in the world. Pocock is miles ahead of the ageing McCaw. Liam Gill or Hooper on the bench and we don’t lose a single ruck. The Kiwis will play Adam Thompson at 6 – he is their weakest forward by a long way.

    Ruck dominance, Australia!

    Now as for Locks – Simmons and Wallace Harrison. Brilliant! Sharpe as the impact man off the bench – or Timani (shudder) – he has to have one good game – eventually.

    Props – Robinson, Alexander, Kepu, Palmer. Slipper an outside chance.

    Hookers: Hansen and TPN.

    That is an insanely great forward pack. No excuses up front – they can DO the AB’s – especially in the absence of Thorne, and especially as McCaw is well past it.

    I also noted the inclusion of Berrick Barnes as one of the “slick unit”. You have got to be kidding. I wouldn;t pick him in a club game – bot when you could have Harris at 12.

    9. Genia
    10. Cooper
    11. Digby
    12. Harris
    13. Ant Faingaa
    14. Shipperley
    15. Ashley Cooper

    Bring on the Bledisloe – we win in Sydney and it’s ours. The ref won’t let us win in NZ but game 3 at Suncorp is in the bank.

    • Bobas

      how old are you, honestly?

      • Jimbo81

        Nice one Bob’s Arse – you’d have us capitulate now would you?

        The only advantage NZ has is phychological. McCaw and Carter are past it. As long as Deans doesn’t repeat the worst centre pairing in 40 years of Australian Rugby (Horne, McCabe), then the Wallabies have got this.
        Pocock, Ionie, Genia, Cooper, Ashley-Cooper, Anthony Faingaa are the best players in their respective positions in the world. I wouldn’t swap them for anyone else. All this talk of it takes five of the best players in the world to win a world cup – there’s six! Have some faith you coward!

        • Fulltime

          “Have faith you coward” – I like that a LOT!, but Dingo is my problem. I was very happy when he went to Oz (remember I write from Auckland and I will be there with my Wallabies colousr in the middle of the darkness). What the hell happened (and I don’t believe in conspiracy), what the hell is happening with the new coaching team. What the hell is happening …..

        • Riccardo

          Jimbo81, you are indeed a character and your fervour for the Wallabies is to be admired. However to assert Pocock, Ionie, Genia, Cooper, Ashley-Cooper, Anthony Faingaa are the “best in the world” is lunacy. Only 2 of those players would even be considered for All Black selection, and MAY not even make the run-on team. Where I do agree with you and some other more intelligent posters is that the Wallabies DO have a chance to win the Bledisloe, and that slim chance only comes by way of 2 home fixtures.

      • bill

        There’s nothing like a 12 year old with an erection is there!?

        • The Rant

          so so wrong that comment…

          I think he only knows about 5 names that don’t play for the Qld world XV…

    • Riccardo

      Jimbo81. Drivel. Do you reside in an asylum? Your best back row is Gill @ 7, Higgers @ 6 & Pocock @ 8 with Hooper on the bench & they are likley to face Cane/McGaw, Vito and Messam who are more than their equal. As for DOing the All Black pack, give yourself an uppercut. You guys will miss Horwill IMO and your front row will get eaten alive, particularly by the Boks. But the All Blacks will also have their measure. The Wallaby backline will always be competitive but if you seriously believe that man-on-man they are the equal of the All Blacks, particularly with limited front-foot ball you need to tell the nurse to up your meds my friend. Respect for your paroachalism but a bit of perspective please.

      • Jimbo81

        Don’t they have the internet in Middle-Earth?
        Why is it that every Rugby board in Australia has all these kiwi’s posing as Australians, posting defeatist rubbish?

        The best backrow on Earth is:
        6. Beau Robonson
        7. David Pocock
        8. Scott Higginbotham

        with Liam Gill off the bench to cover.

        I am at a loss to understand why Beau Robinson is not selected at 6 for the Wallabies every game? He is an enforcer in the prime of his wrecking-ball career. Aussie Rugby wasted the career of Phil Waugh. He was the most lethal forward in the world from 2003 to 2007. We viewed him as only an openside and selected George M.I.A Smith there ahead of him. Years of handing free ball away to the kiwis at ruck and maul time. A Wasted opportunity! In order to stop the kiwi’s cheating at the breakdown, you need an enforcer like Beau Robinson. So far under Deans’ tenure we’ve had to put up with Rocky in this role. Combat ineffective! Those days are over and the perfect opportunity to promote Robinson to this role and field a really scarry pack.

        Consider that the AB’s will play Adam Thompson. There is a huge opportunity to play Robinson against him and gain the acendancy. With a superior backline in attack (ie – no Rob Horne and no McCabe), the weight of posession will be telling and the Wallabies will win.

        • Dovester

          Jimbo, I would pay for you to fly one way to Mogadishu. And thats saying something with my lack of funds

  • http://BigFella Big Fella

    My huge concern is the alarming lack of fitness within the NSW contingent that will make up the majority of the Wallaby Team.

    The Waratahs finish playing this weekend and I worry what type of match conditioning they’ll have by Bledisloe Cup time.

    The issue will be that they’ll be run off their feet by the pace of the AB’s attack, and then have no juice left with which to attack.

    • Patrick

      I dunno, the winter tour strategy of subbing off all the ‘Tahs at the 50-60min mark seemed a winner ;)

  • NTA

    Cattle? Pah – talent identification is where we are lacking at ALL levels. Some of those club players who were never considered in a three-team Australian Super 12 are actually hungrier than the “stars” we’ve got now. Guys like Perrett at the Rebels are good players who don’t get support from Australian rugby. We get to the Tests and we’re picking dud props like Alexander and omitting gems like Palmer! Same for Simmons versus Pyle in the second row. The QLDer is nowhere near as hard-working as the Rebel, who hasn’t even been given the chance.

    Anyone not contesting S15 finals needs to get out and play club rugby to keep their conditioning up. Particularly the Waratahs who could do with a few extra laps at the start and end of each meal, let alone training session.

    We need to work on one thing: fitness, fitness, fitness. Everything else stems from that. Put the heavy weights down for a few days lads, and get some km into the legs.

    • bill

      Simmons is our best second rower since Horwill was in his period of golden form a couple of years back. That’s obvious in his performances. Yeah he’s a work in progress, but he’s class.

      Pyle got a bad break last game against the reds to push his claims, but Simmons was a stand out in that game after a lot of vocal pundits had been tearing him apart as a weak sister.

      He can improve a lot as a player still, but he’s got some pretty sound fundamentals.

      • bill

        My heart dropped when he went off last game almost as much as if Cooper had been crocked. To tell the truth that was a surprise to me, to equate Simmons to Cooper, but he is as far as our team goes. Just like Hanson, S. Faingaa, Holmes, Lucas, AWH, Higgers, Frisby, Genia, Ioane, Shipperly, ETF*Cetera, they all count.

        Personally I don’t think they’ll get the chance to run amok, but if they do … they will.

  • Ath

    Firstly, lets get something straight, we did not ‘blow the all blacks off the park’ at Suncorp.

    We came out firing, blew them off the park in the first half, and barely won. It was a good game and it showed we are on track. But to try and say our team is made up of world beaters and Deans, the most successful pro coach of super rugby is a loser is deluded.

    Re the super xv not being test rugby, so it isn’t relevant, what load of crap. It is where we blood new players, and hone the veterans.

    Now saying all that, we DO have a good team, it CAN win. We need consistency in selection, as injuries allow, and we need to get behind our team. They’re no2, just beat the grand slam winning welsh who war semifinalists at RWC, and thats a lot better than where fast eddy and co left us, have some bloody faith.

    Sick of the whingers.

    Ath.

    • johnny-boy

      What you are overlooking Ath is that Deans had at his disposal in NZ was a team of essentially All Blacks at the Crusaders, including probably two of the best to ever to play the game, McCaw and Carter. The reason the ‘Christhchurch team’ were hated so much by the rest of NZ is that they were able to skim off the cream of NZ rugby from all the other struggling provinces to keep their dynasty going, while all the other provinces got screwed. If you entered an All Black team in the Super XV competition, yeah they’d probably win it seven times, even with a dull dumbass numbskull of a coach and essentially, they did. We got suckered not realising it at the time. And I was a Deans supporter initially until it became bleeding obvious he was utterly useless, or a plant.

  • Cantab

    I think way to much credit and failure is given to coaches, they always seem to be successful somewhere but fail elsewhere eg: John Mitchell was the first coach to preduce results out of the chiefs but then the next 3 teams he coached failed and now is seen as a rubbish coach.

    Link failed at the ‘tahs but created a miracle at the reds. Deans dominated with the ‘saders but (depending who you ask) Has failed at the wallabies. PDV failed at the spring box but was successful at …okay ignore that last one.

    • RockyElboa

      Couldn’t you argue that the Chiefs under Mitchell was the anomaly?
      Also to say Link failed at the tahs just not true. In his first role as head coach he made the super rugby finals 2 times. Yes he lost and yes people complained about the way the tahs played, but now 4 years on he has developed as a coach and is seen as one of the smartest coaches in super rugby. and yes he team plays a brand of rugby people want ro watch.
      Can you honestly say that you have seen Deans or Mitchell develop into better coaches?

  • bill

    I think the wallabies are playing some good football at the moment. Not at the level of that 2010 game against france, but certainly they look like a team again after that f*ing world cup merde.

    Partly I think that’s guys like McCabe having another year to grow and understand their ability to contribute and partly that’s Deans maybe learning he can’t pull bullshit moves like not covering specialists like opensides….well he’s still flirting with that at times. But he’s looking like a guy who isn’t suffering under any delusions about his job security and the results required.

    All in all I think they look like a decent bunch who need to keep working very hard but have the capacity of starving the all blacks of oxygen. Whether they do, that’s something the AB’s have some say in.

  • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/the-eagle-has-landed-with-a-thump/ postmatchkebab

    I’m largely pro Deans but have a growing list of gripes
    one of which is not establishing a solid, classy centre pairing over the 5 year period.

    Guys with a good all-round game, who know to setup their support players, take on the line with either guile or crash ball as required, defend like it means something. Surely its not too much to ask?

    It feels like the mid field is the poison chalice. Deans was clearlt grooming B.B for a NZ style 2nd 5 role before his Tokyo injury. Now it just seems like who ever is in form or not injured. The lack of long term stratergy here is hurting our back 3. A the connection with the halves is not existant. Hence Digby has to look for the ball midfield typically in heavy traffic. Please fix this as a great centre pairing is synonmus with any team’s golden period.

    • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com Roscoe Tims

      You know, I still like the look of Diggers at 13?

      • bill

        Horne 12, McCabe 13, Ant Faainga bench. …. and AAC bench. ….if Tapui was available then taps, 12, Horne 13 and McCabe out of the squad and bringing up Ant Faingaas rear … not that there’s anything wrong with that!

      • Riccardo

        At least it won’t matter what back 3 is selcted i that case Roscoe. They’ll never see the ball. For all his pace, lines and work-rate Digby is not a good distributor. I have question marks on his defence as well.

  • Fulltime

    And what are your comments on the new coaching team, I want / need to know … or will I need my consolation blanket for another 10 games … or so.

  • Azza

    Interesting comments all.

    Deans did miss the boat when it came to creating a plan around his best players at RWC last year. To think of why he did this is insightful, rather that just label him as a fk-wit. To me its all about how many times the AB have NOT won the RWC, despite being No 1 in the world. many times they have had a great game plan based around their key players and guess what – the opposition figures it out by time of the semi-finals. They are legendary the AB’s to not have a plan B.
    And so, Dean’s objective was probably to avoid this, in light of what can happen to a No 10 (s) for example. By the way, yes, the AB’s won the last world cup on the back of a plan B, C, D and E.

    The problem with Australian Rugby is two fold.

    With respect to our sporting population and a comparision to SA, Eng, Fr, and SA, we have no less than two other codes to compete with. F*k me, if all the footy players here in the Illawarra played Union, there could be another Super Rugby Team here! So, yes we have “the cattle” , they are just not all playing Union.

    The second problem with Australian Rugby is the boys club in Sydney as evidenced by what has happened in Queensland and the ACT. Get the right people in place and the rest takes care of itself. The best coach in the world is no good when administators have self (and local) interests.

  • Matt NT

    I don’t think anyone, kiwis or aussies, will really miss sonny bill. Let get him go back to the mungo code. As for “nonu not to shabby”. I’d pick him any day to play against us. He always lifts and has a blinder for the AB’s. He could be in a wheelchair and he’d still front up and cause us grief.

  • Jimbo81

    What has McCabe done to make the wallabies?

    Ever?

    Why is he in the wallabies?

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