Opinion: Zero Points for Spiro

Scott Bryant September 3, 2012 55

No GravatarIt’s hard to imagine a more bizarre assertion than the one Spiro Zavos made in Saturday’s Sydney Morning Herald.

Zavos’s claim that Robbie Deans is being hounded from the Wallaby coaching job as part of a racist plot led by Australia’s mainstream press was disgraceful and he should retract it.

Let’s be clear. Deans is under pressure due to his team’s repeated failings over many years, not because he copped a nickname four years ago or the fact he’s a Kiwi.

Instead of putting forward such paper thin arguments Spiro would be better served reading through some of his old articles, like the one on Stuff.co.nz he wrote in June 2008 under the headline ‘Dingo’ Deans needs to find some mongrels.

Spiro, hero or zero?

In that article Spiro himself was quite happy to use the nickname ‘Dingo’, referring to it as an ‘Ocker canonisation’ and mentioning e that it’s use by the mainstream media was something positive.

He made no mention of xenophobia or that the ‘Dingo’ moniker was ‘disgraceful’ or that it implied someone was ‘untrustworthy’ — as he did on Saturday.

Unwittingly the article Spiro’s wrote four years ago shoots down the central point of Saturday’s rant.

Clearly forgetting some people have memories (or at least the ability to use a Google search), Spiro wrote about other New Zealanders like Phar Lap, Clarrie Grimmett and Russell Crowe who’ve found fame and fortune in Australia saying ‘These newly acquired Australian treasures remain honoured, however, only as long as they remain successful.’

And that’s where the argument starts and stops — it comes down to results, not race.

In Saturday’s article Spiro listed the Wallabies’ highlights during Deans’s tenure and emphasised the fact they are the number two ranked rugby nation as justification that the team is doing pretty well.

Without question the team has played some fantastic rugby and produced some great results, but in the interests of balance perhaps Spiro could have mentioned some of the spectacular failures and inconsistency that have plagued the team over the same period.

In Spiro’s defence, defining success depends on what criteria you use — success means different things to different people. In the interests of fairness and balance I thought I’d use John O’Neill’s own criteria.

Spiro’s 2008 article ago quoted the ARU Managing Director and CEO as saying ‘In recent years we’ve had about a 60 per cent win-loss ration (sic), that is not acceptable.

‘We’d be happy with 75 per cent to 80 per cent. That sort of win-loss ratio tends to bring in the silverware. That’s the quantitative side.’

Clearly the 60 percent figure was going through Spiro’s mind when he wrote on the Roar website last week that Deans has won just under 60 percent of his Tests with the Wallabies. How nice of Spiro to give his countryman the benefit of rounding. As reported in today’s News Limited papers, Deans’s winning Test percentage is actually 58.1.

So based on JON’s own criteria, Deans’s time with the Wallabies has been a failure.

Mr 58.1%

Not surprisingly Spiro didn’t make mention of this fact, and as I said earlier, it’s where the argument about Deans starts and stops.

Hopefully, Saturday’s article was a one-off and not a hint of what the standard of rugby journalism in the post-redundancy world of the SMH will be like. It was the sort of ‘mad-blogger’ stuff you’d expect on fringe websites, not something produced by a professional journalist.

Instead of getting a considered opinion about the most pressing issue in Australian rugby at the moment, what we got was emotive rubbish, confected outrage and a central theory that was a bigger load of shit than the magic bullet that offed JFK.

Just as it’s time for the Wallabies needing to lift, Spiro needs to aim up too.

Discussion »

  • Bobby

    Agreed Scott. Well said. I think Spiro has multi-personalities, he can write reasonable articles and also deliver tripe like the shit he dished up on Saturday.

  • Johnnoo

    Love the radio shirt i might buy one make sme laugh so hard, that story by crowned and the shirt is gold pure comedy value.

    “Im Radio” so funny i gotta but one of that fat suit radio make me laugh is a great shirt.

  • Ben

    I think Spiro was trying to find a little Balance in the deans debate. Everyone press and bloggers have become so hysterical at the Wallabies performance that something just as strong had to be written to fin some middle ground. I for one am sick and tired of Greg growden writing nothing but the world is ending articles and that goes for Wayne smith as well.

    Spiro is right about the good stuff the Wallabies have done especially their record against the Boks. If we win next weekend we become first wallaby team to ever win 5 in a row against them.

    Up until the WC the wallabies had played some of the best rugby I had ever seen from them. I’ve been watching every test since 1980 and a couple of those games against the Boks and the French were amazing. For some reason we lost our way which I think has a lot to do with the injuries.

    Anyway let’s try to be positive because the constant bleeting is not doing anything but harm

  • Graeme

    I just read that article. All I can day is Wow! That has to be one of there worst pieces of journalism I’ve read, and SMH has quite few.

    Can we start a new campaign, sack Zavos!

    • CraigB

      What! Sack a kiwi with a Greek sounding name!? Imagine the press on that one!!!! :) let’s just hope for better

  • Graeme

    Btw: Your Radio t-shirt appeared on the Smh site when I was reading a separate article from Growden (referencing the Radio).

  • Disco

    I actually wrote to Spiro about his article & how he had failed to mention Robbie’s failings as a coach of the Wallabies.

    In fairness to him he actually did e-mail me back about two hours later.

    He said that I was also welcome to go live & active on the Roar today as that story will be one of the main topics.

    So if anyone is keen they can give Spiro a roast today.

  • Bally Moore

    Yeah, I reckon Spiro sat down thinking ‘I’m going to construct a defend Robbie article’ – but got carried away. Fair enough of you to point out that care needs to be taken when making strong claims in the process.

    I dont mind him having a strong view, even if i dont agree with it, but conflicting with his previous views in the process isnt cool.

    On the topic of success… just thinking… if we were to, say, win half our games against the AB’s (blue sky target right now), what winning % would we need against the rest of the world to get 75-80% overall…? Given we play the AB’s more than just about anyone, i’d have thought we would have to be near on 90%+ against everyone else…????

    Answer i guess is… beat the all blacks more than 50% of the time…

  • John

    This is quite a poor article.

    The main problem with this ‘insight’ is that Spiro refers to his nickname, but he doesn’t say anything about how it’s a great thing.

    Furthermore, devoting part of your column to the merits of 58.1% vs 60% as though that is an error of judgment that is trying to add glue to a house of cards.

    Sure, give Spiro hell if he gets it wrong. But this is poor and shows a lack of judgment from G&GR editorial, if that exists.

    • ooaahh

      John,

      I think the fact that we’ve been labelled racist over what is effectively a term of endearment is what has upset people. The fact that Spiro (whom I usually enjoy reading) contradictied himself and misquoted statistics is a mere side issue. Spiro is out of line.

      • Tyrone

        Am I the only one who didn’t find anything remotely racist in Spiro’s article? He raised nationality and certain players origins but not a single comment on race. “Kiwi” isn’t a race – its a nationality, its like saying “Aussie” is a race.

  • Robson

    Spiro’s aim at his foot was unwavering.

  • johnny-boy

    Spiro Zavos does more damage to Australian rugby than anyone else, in talking down our true abilities and constantly suggesting the All Blacks will always be superior. I wonder where he gets that from …..being a kiwi.
    He and Deans are peas in pod, utterley useless and stuck in the wet dull darkness. I’ve always thought Dingo Deans was a typical Aussie nickname of endearment, part of the friendly welcome which I was happy to extend to Deans initially as well, until he proved he was more interested in mauling and stealing Australian rugby than nurturing the litter or leading the sled.

    • Red Kev

      Hmmmm, I like the bent of your thoughts “A Dingo killed Australian Rugby!” sounds like a good title for a news story – it’s tasteless and hyperbolic, I should call The Daily Telegraph.

    • Drop Kick

      Nah, Greg Growden does more damage than Spiro.

  • bludge

    youre only offended because youre annoyed someone else has put some rubbish on the web and you want it all to come from this site.

    • ooaahh

      then piss off and read elsewhere bludge you troll. GAGR consistently provides content of the highest quality.

      • Bay35Pablo

        I wouldn’t say highest quality, just of a level of quality higher than most professional rugby media outlets. Which is setting the bar pretty low.

        :)

        • ooaahh

          I’ve not seen any better analysis than Austin’s anywhere online but happy to visit if you can provide a link.

  • colvin

    Scott,

    IMO your article goes way over the top.

    The Head Coach position for the WBs is the kiss of death. No one could get a winning ratio of 75% against the teams they play without the Aus Super teams performing way better.

    Someone needs to focus on what is needed to get most of the Super teams winning the majority of their games against the overseas teams.

    The confidence that would bring would flow through to the WBs. Then Robbie would have a chance.

    • johnny-boy

      Well gee Colvin no one is forcing Deans to pick players from the (relatively) worst performing franchise in Australia the Tahs. Are they ?

    • Barbarian

      If you take things at face value then there is certainly a strong argument Deans should stay- good record against SA and Wales, #2 in the World, etc. etc.

      But when you look closer and examine the way we are playing the situation changes- no discernible tactics, no skill or ingenuity in the backline, poor scrum and lineout, baffling selections, no physicality in forwards etc.

      Results only tell so much. There are some fairly obvious tactical deficiencies that can only come from the coach.

      • colvin

        Barbarian and johnny-boy,

        There’s no doubt some of the Robbie’s decisions seem odd to the casual observer particularly those to accommodate the change in game plan at the WC and thereafter.

        But I guess my point here is that it must be incredibly hard trying to get a team performing together when the 5 teams from which they are selected have only been average on one hand and 28 (is it) players that would normally be considered for selection are injured on the other.

        So a lot of people feel in those circumstances it would be pretty hard for anyone to produce a world beating team.

      • nufz

        .

        “no skill or ingenuity in the backline” mate your backline contains Genia, Cooper, Ione and Beal.By my book that reads as very skillfull and very dangerous if they get the ball.

        The problem is the ball they do get arrives with heavy traffic. Put these guys behind the AB pack and they would slaughter anyteam coached by anyone.

  • Jets

    Great article Scott. I like the way use use facts and statistics to back up your argument. Maybe Spiro could learn a thing or two for his own writing.

  • Mick Coogan

    Sheesh I dunno about Russell Crowe Spiros mate. As far as most Kiwi’s in NZ are concerned you blokes can have him.

  • Gary

    Gentleman Andrew Slack rarely causes anybody any trouble.
    His article in Sunday’s Brisbane Courier Mail, however, is the most outstanding article regarding the Deans Affair that has been written.
    If I knew how to copy it for here I would but I expect somebody can.

    • http://www.pinkrugby.com PinkRugby

      Have to agree with you Gary, I really enjoyed Andrew Slack’s article yesterday and also his comments after both Bledisloe matches on Channel 9. Finally someone was saying what I was thinking.

  • Barbarian

    Hmm a few blow-ins defending Spiro here, which I didn’t expect.

    I agree with you Scott. Spiro’s article was one of the worst pieces of journalism I have ever seen in SMH sport. It shouldn’t have been published.

    It was tripe- no basis in facts at all. Apparently the only reason we want Deans to leave is because we are all racists and Deans is a Kiwi. Not because of his many other failings.

    I have nothing against journos sticking up for Deans, but when they go that step further and label his critics as racists, well you are firmly in Anthony Mundine country there and that is never a good thing…

    • Tyrone

      I still dont understand what he has said in his article that makes any reference to racism. As I said in a previous comment – he raised nationality and certain players origins but not a single comment on race. “Kiwi” isn’t a race – its a nationality, its like saying “Aussie” is a race. Deans is as Anglo-Saxon as your typical Aussie. You might be referring to his comment “xenophobic antagonism” as grounds that he thinks Dean’s critics are racist, but you are mistaken if you think xenophobia and racism are the same or can be used interchangeably.

      Im just pointing out that if your calling out somebody for accusing others of being racist, you’d want to be spot on.

  • RedAnt

    While come of Spiro’s points are clearly ridiculous, I think many of the ‘Deans is a Kiwi spy’, ‘A Kiwi can’t coach Australia’ etc. comments on this and other blogs do verge on racism. I agree Deans’ performance is the key to the widespread criticism he’s been getting lately, but saying there is not a racist element in there is a bit like saying ‘stop the boats’ is about ‘protecting our borders’.

  • Happy Hooker

    I can tell anyone who wants to know who Radio is. Its a bit of a let down – he’s not someone most people will have heard of.

    • Moz

      At least tell us what state he is based? Is it NSW?

  • ooaahh

    I’m radio

  • Happy Hooker

    I know I said he was a nobody, but you are over qualified!

  • Peter

    Gary / RugbyPink
    I hiope this link comes through the post:

    Andrew Slacks article link:
    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/why-wallabies-coach-robbie-deans-has-to-go/story-e6freon6-1226463233852

  • johnny-boy

    One of the most common defences of Deans is that he has won 5 super rugby titles (just don’t mention his multiple world cup cock-ups). The implication being that no Australian rugby coach is worthy until he (or she ?) has won 6 Super Rugby titles. In which case Deans may as well be appointed Wallaby coach for life as the salary structure these days means no super rugby team will be allowed to stack a team full of All Blacks like Deans’ Crusaders did.

  • skip

    sprios is a bit like jeremy clarkson. a burke who says stuff to get noticed that he probably doesn’t genuinely believe himself

  • MyRugby Mate

    Just to get this straight, If I label Deans a d!ckhead am I being xenophobic?
    Not that I am saying ‘Deans is a d!ckhead’, but if I hypothetically said that ‘Deans is a d!ckhead’ is that being xenophobic?

    My neighbours originally from Ballarat and I call him a d!ckhead all the time and I’d like to know if I’m just being purely offensive and obnoxious or if I’m just xenophobic?

    Yours sincerely

    Confused

    • colvin

      MyRugby Mate,

      I think you’ve confused us all.

      In your second sentence you say you’re not saying Deans is a dickhead; but in your third sentence you say you call him that all the time.

      Then you want to know if you’re a xenophobic or just offensive and obnoxious.

      Well if you call him a dickhead without believing he is one you might well be an offensive and obnoxious dickhead or you might not depending on the discussion but, on the face of it, it might well be you’re not a xenophobic unless by calling him one without believing it to be true you leap into the realm of foreign national dislike.

      I suppose that’s clear.

  • The Black Mamba

    Spiro seems to reference that “Dingo” is some kind of subtext by saying there is an “implication”. As a journalist and rugby man, surely he would know that the naming logic is more about alliteration than some kind of deeper meaning?

    Can anyone think of another native Australian animal that starts with D?

    Dugong? (docile, grass-eating, lazy, dolphin wannabe). I don’t like that implication either.

    Racist? Nah, just limited in naming options Spiro. Next time we should get an overseas coach with a surname beginning with K? Or perhaps it would be seen that we’re saying the coach is hopping mad or plastered on eucalyptus leaves?

    • boutbloodytime

      Drongo?!?…not so much an Australian animal, but a uniquely Australian term…and definitely not appropriate in 2008 before Deans had a proper go at coaching the Wallabies….it’s not really a term of endearment but maybe it’s a term becoming more appropriate now?!?

      Or maybe, just maybe, the Kiwi with a Greek name is just jealous that Robbie got a cool nickname after a very short time & we haven’t given Spiro one yet…

      And seriously, while beating the boks 5 in a row is a pretty good effort (if we do it), then we’re virtually comparing the toe to toe coaching records of Deans vs DeVilliers (except for this next game)…I’m not sure that’s the kind of thing I would want on my CV if I was Robbie…ie: I’ve given up against the ABs, but compared to PDV, I’m a freaking legend!

  • tommy

    Great article Scott & great to see GAGR pulling up a mainstream journo for writing tripe. I usually enjoy a good Spiro article but he was way off on this one. Interesting link that you made between the quality of the article & the recent retrenchments at fairfax. Only time will tell if this was the case I guess.. For everyone’s sake, I hope you are wrong..

  • murph

    It’s a bit ironic that Hugh came out in defence of MSM rugby journalists about 24 hours prior to Spiro going into full meltdown with an article which may as well have been entitled “YOU’RE ALL RACIST SO SHUTUP OR I’M TELLING MUM!”. It was almost a caricature of the sort of undergrad intellectual lightweight which infests a student union newspaper.

    Hugh’s article raised some pretty good points but the reality is that the MSM and ARU are locked in an echo chamber and engaged in a perpetual circle jerk.

  • peterlala

    Great article Scott. It’s a pleasure to read real journalism.

  • ian

    Even if lots of us wanted Deans gone because he’s a Kiwi, it’s not necessarily discrimination.

    Having a Kiwi as the wallabies coach is like having a bastard step dad. He takes a casual interest in what the kids do, but ultimately he’s just there to root your mum. You like him and you generally get on with him, but you know he doesn’t really give a fuck about you.

    Deans has no emotional investment in the wallabies jersey. He’s a good coach, but he lacks passion and pride in what the team represents and who its fans are. That, and his other deficiencies, easily account for those games we could’ve and should’ve won.

    It’s not racist to want him gone because he’s not Australian. In the world of international rugby, it’s actually quite a reasonable position to take.

  • murph

    So we’re xenophobic (read ‘racist’) because we don’t think a Kiwi should be the Australian coach??

    Zavos really has jumped the shark with this one.

    His use of Rathbone, Vickerman, Pocock & Cooper in his argument actually disproves his own accusations. Firstly, those players weren’t parachuted in to play for Australia; from memory, the former two qualified via residency (happy to be corrected if I’m wrong!) and the latter two emigrated as young pups. And this is the crux of my objection: I don’t have a problem with a “foreign” coach. I have a problem with one who hasn’t risen through the coaching ranks in Australia, who hasn’t coached, at least, at provincial rugby. There is a real danger that they lack passion & lack an appreciation of the local idiosyncracies.

    Secondly, does it occur to Zavos that if Australian rugby fans and pundits were reflexively xenophobic as he suggests, he would not have to wonder why the attitude toward Deans is different to the attitude toward those players? It’s not that we don’t know those players are overseas born. What we do know is that they, unlike Deans, are competent and passionate and have earned their place in the side throufgh service to Australian rugby. Those are the core issues.

    Zavos has obviously run out of arguments, so has resorted the curse of latter day intellectual discourse – lazily screaming RAAAACIST! at anyone who he disagrees with. Ridiculous. And he probably wonders why nobody except self-loathing inner city twits buy the SMH.

    • Tyrone

      Xenophobia and racism are not interchangeable as you suggest. Xenophobia is fear of a foreigner, racism is discrimination based on race. Nationality and race are of course 2 totally different things. Your trying to read in between the lines of his article when he’s actually said it all in plain sight. He does contradict himself none the less

      • murph

        Tyrone

        Yes, I’m aware that xenophobia and racism are different. One of the greatest intellectual fallacies (and more recently, legal injustices) of our age is the conflation of the two.

        So, I retract the claim that Zavos called Deans’s critics racist. But he’s still a dickhead for claiming that they are reflexively & mindlessly anti-foreigner.

  • tc63

    It has taken 4+ years for fans to go from loving Robbie to hating him.
    Wonder what has changed ?
    Have we all become racists overnight or is it lack of consistent results ?

  • Happy Hooker

    Moz,

    Tricky question you’ve asked. He is not based in the same state as his franchise is.

    • Moz

      Happy Hooker,

      Ah…ok. I normally get quite confused (not difficult for me..) when I read Ruck & Maul, and Growden as he keeps referring to “a certain official” or “a certain Wallaby”, etc etc. Just tell us!!

      I can’t even work out what problems he is causing, etc…Rugby and gossip, who would have guessed.

  • Happy Hooker

    Moz,

    Prepare for a let down. Its Nick Ryan at the Melbourne Rebels. What? You’ve never heard of him? Neither had I. Gives lie to Growden’s claim of a “high ranking official”. He is a Player Recruitment Officer. Find him under the Community tab of Rebels website. Growden probably over eggs the omlette a bit.

    • Moz

      Mr & Mrs Ryan’s son? Bloody hell, what a surprise!

      Thanks anyway. Ok, I’ll take the rest of the gossip with a pinch of salt too then (which Growden probably uses too much as well in said omelette!

  • gerard flanagan

    Spiro leave all the mumbo jumbo out of it. Racist? My arse. Simply put the experiment has failed and like AFL. NRL and other sports you move a coach that can’t get results. No offence to Robbie who seems a nice bloke.

    Its also worth mentioning that in all my rubgy watching years (40 odd) I never recalled an Australian coach ever saying we couldn’t beat the Kiwis. Hard to beat, sure, but they always seemed to have our team jag those wins when needed. Not anymore. Where did ball in the hand rugby go Robbie? Bring that back and we might be a half decent chance.

    Pass the ball the Link and let the man have a crack.

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