Broadcast options for Australian Rugby

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So, at minimum, 2 more Aus teams (+ Drua) - 60-70 odd additional players to mostly pull out of club comps, no doubt a few bigger-name and overseas signings thrown in. Again, reckon we've got the depth and quality of player base to support that?

I'm not sure splitting an already diminishing (and overwhelmingly capital city-centric) fanbase in NSW and QLD would be wise either.

I totally get your point about the talent, the afl currently have 2 teams completely un-competitive & tassie are pushing hard for a 19th team.

its been said before by a few ppl that $29m a year is massive unders, hopefully the wallabies can have a good run at the rwc next yr & the lions series coming up we can double that money & then afford to pay a bit more so players just out the fringe of wallabies selection don't go running off to japan & france or have to go to the usa to simply get a contract

 

[Adam84]

Yeah it's very obviously a negotiating leverage ploy. They should scare them a bit by making it a bit more legit than just a leak to a journalist. You can also make the case that the leak is orchestrated right down to who it was given to - Nine wouldn't appreciate their own newspapers shitting on the comp they're invested in, so it has been given to Fox.

If Rugby Au want to negotiate hard they should also develop some paraphernalia that showcases what the competition would look like, some prospective teams, what their logos would look like. That will make NZ rugby think about it a bit more. But ultimately, it's clearly a ploy because it's in our long term interests to align with a Pacific Comp.

I think the point should also be made that it's not in the competitions long term interests to have such a discrepancy in financial resources available. It means that it is more likely to be continuously one-sided, which is not in the NZRU's interests. That's how you should really negotiate a more evenly distributed cash broadcast.

It's also clever base politics by the astute McLennan - shows our fans he's willing to stand up to the big boys before ultimately cutting a deal with them, makes him look strong.

I’m not sure it’s just a negotiating leverage ploy, Australia has a 10 year runway to properly establish Australia as a strong professional code in Australia. If they don’t achieve that by 2032 then the game is more or less dead. They won’t be able to sustain the cost of professional rugby based on current trends, and Australia won’t ever have such a lucrative period again.

RWC is a big opportunity to shape the game into something new, and ‘Super Rugby’ isn’t the vehicle to make that happen. Something has to change and I’d be disappointed if all options aren’t explored to make that happen.

 

[Rebel man]

I think it also comes down to what happens with private equity.

It was mentioned CVC is keen on a champions league more strategically aligned with South Africa to help two nations they have a stake in. Where Silverlake is also looking to make an offer to help grow the value of their stake in NZ rugby

 

[half]

This may be of interest and is taken from the Roar, it appears the MLS in the US has signed a contract with Apple to stream games, not a big issue, a base fee is being charged again not a big issue, the MLS will pay for the production costs of the broadcasting ""interesting"" and the MLS can onsell matches to other US broadcasting ""interesting, finally Apple & the MLS have some % share of subscriptions over a set figure """ very interesting""

I also watched the vid and they seem to think creating a data base of subscribers is the future of broadcasting.

Wonders aloud if Stan or Paramount would be interested in this type of arrangement or for that matter RA.

Taken from the Roar

You may find the following interesting to your current position, also maybe not, …

To the point the MLS in the US has just signed a new deal with Apple for a 10 year broadcast for 2.5 billion with MLS spending around 50 million of that producing’s its own games …

That just the start of the deal and the way its structured could be of interest for any new domestic you develop.

Base Figure from Apple………… 250 million

Less MLS Production Costs… ….50 Million

Net Starting position ……………….200 million

Plus Sale to other Broadcasters ????? [USA based, Fox, ESPN, Univison]

Plus % shares of Sub’s growth … ????

Plus % shares of Apple O/S sales . ???

This now comes down to MLS & Apple being able to grow the game both in numbers and subscription fee charges. In a sense with inflation you would expect the base value of the streaming fee increasing and MLS would benefit from this.

Mega incentive for MLS to grow subscriptions…

Youtube on the deal if interested… is this the way sport is going to go…

 

[Slim 293]

Very interesting...

Wait, no... not interested.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

People seem to be making a lot of this. Beyond the likelihood this is more about squeezing more $ out of NZ Rugby not utilizing Super Rugby TT as our primary driver wouldn't necessarily the end of the interaction at this level between the two. Japan has made it clear that they are keen on cross border competition to compliment the JLO. And that's where we'd maintain that interaction.

Structured right and we'd have a very similar set up to now. But with our domestic competition being our primary driver as opposed to the TT element. NZ could even look to professionalize two more of their domestic Unions themselves and focus their professional game domestically as well. What I would hope would accompany this is a proper women's competition as well. Considering the NRLW is moving to 10 teams next year and is already approaching Rugby players (the Newcastle Knights are said to have already made offers) then we need to look to move the whole game forward.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Very interesting...

Wait, no... not interested.

Frankly this has more relevance in a Rugby forum.

But just not in this discussion.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Look out.

Exclusive: Rugby Australia tells NZ it will walk in bombshell move set to tear Super Rugby apart

Exclusive: RA tells New Zealand it will walk in bombshell move to tear Super Rugby apart

www.foxsports.com.au

I guess this is really the only way forward really. Not surprised and assume they would look at some sort of champions league with nz involved

 

[Rugbynutter39]

There is no way Argentina got an equal share of the revenue?????

Who on earth agreed to that.

I've said it time and time again. The need to match the AFL and NRL in comp length and games per week is the most important thing. 16 teams minimum, 20+ weeks length. No 3rd tier rubbish. Get rid of the NZ NPC and Super Rugby. Start again. 1 professional Trans-Tasman club competition (can include PIs). No Japan. Free market of players.

Think I have heard that before ie one Trans Tasman competition with decent footprint and free market of players. That is only way trans Tasman competition could ever work but parties won’t agree to it so domestic we go. I would be glad they just made the hard decisions now then make them in 5 years with more pain.

 

[hifflepiff]

People seem to be making a lot of this. Beyond the likelihood this is more about squeezing more $ out of NZ Rugby not utilizing Super Rugby TT as our primary driver wouldn't necessarily the end of the interaction at this level between the two. Japan has made it clear that they are keen on cross border competition to compliment the JLO. And that's where we'd maintain that interaction.

Structured right and we'd have a very similar set up to now. But with our domestic competition being our primary driver as opposed to the TT element. NZ could even look to professionalize two more of their domestic Unions themselves and focus their professional game domestically as well. What I would hope would accompany this is a proper women's competition as well. Considering the NRLW is moving to 10 teams next year and is already approaching Rugby players (the Newcastle Knights are said to have already made offers) then we need to look to move the whole game forward.

This is the part most people are missing, and why I find arguments like 'you have to play the best to be the etc etc" extremely tiring.

With a Champions League style format, we can still play the Kiwis and integrate Japan in a way that is mutually beneficial for everyone.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

This is the part most people are missing, and why I find arguments like 'you have to play the best to be the etc etc" extremely tiring.

With a Champions League style format, we can still play the Kiwis and integrate Japan in a way that is mutually beneficial for everyone.

Exactly. We can get a home and away domestic competition while adding 4-5 extra Cup games for a pretty solid season. I'm all for it. It would provide more domestic based Rugby for fans and more playing opportunities for players. Something that has been sorely lacking in years gone by. May actually allow us to draw those playing overseas back into the fold as well.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Exactly. We can get a home and away domestic competition while adding 4-5 extra Cup games for a pretty solid season. I'm all for it. It would provide more domestic based Rugby for fans and more playing opportunities for players. Something that has been sorely lacking in years gone by. May actually allow us to draw those playing overseas back into the fold as well.

I think all the arguments been done to death here and more just we want to know what RAs plans are.

 

[Rebel man]

I think all the arguments been done to death here and more just we want to know what RAs plans are.

Depends on who they sell too

 

[Dan54]

You know the funniest thing about the whole thing, if you even take out all the bullshit $91-$39 mill etc which includes AB tests and NPC rugby etc) about Argentina supposedly getting a split of supersport pot when Jaguares came in, (the supersport deal had finished years before ) who thinks it might just have been 'released'to the press on the week of the final after the last Aus team got knocked out.

 

[Adam84]

it’s just common sense to do that, interest in the Super Rugby GF will barely get 40-50k viewers in Australia and lucky to get any newspaper articles, it’s a topic that needs to be addressed so might as well keep rugby in the news somehow.

 

[dru]

Rare thing - I actually agree with Dan here. If it was indeed planned then the timing is pretty discourteous. Not the timing over a conversation - the timing over a public release. I'd be ticked off in the reverse. But then it is not exactly a public release, more like an unsubstantiated leak.

 

[LeCheese]

If it was indeed planned then the timing is pretty discourteous.

To be expected when it comes from Fox, who have done nothing other than pot-stirring and attempted hit jobs since they lost the broadcast rights

 

[Members Section]

To be expected when it comes from Fox, who have done nothing other than pot-stirring and attempted hit jobs since they lost the broadcast rights

Its defiantly real well in terms of RA threatening, Morgan Turinui confirmed it on stan last night

 

[dru]

Its defiantly real well in terms of Rugby Australia threatening, Morgan Turinui confirmed it on stan last night

Oh, I would agree, MS. Something I am actually quite happy about. But as far as I can see, it was done at over dinner in private. Nothing wrong with that. The leak seemed sensationalist and unsubstantiated. I take your point re Stan - which does start putting substantiation behind it.

But the discourtesy is with the journalist in the original release. [Unless of course the outcome was intended.]

Either way it is shit timing. I can't get too worked up about it as I simply have very little buy-in with the Super P final, but Kiwi fans have a legit bitch here. Nothing wrong with throwing spanners in the future planning, but it should not happen while the highlight of the comp, that the RA DID sign up to, is under way.

Won't bother me too much if a result comes from it all the same.

 

[RebelYell]

They should get a few Shute Shield teams and create a brand new seocnd Sydney side out of it - that worked well last time