Wallabies v France, Paris, Sun 6th Nov 7am AEDT

[Pfitzy]

If the players are, like most of us here, whingeing about the refs

Then maybe we're shit fans?

 

[Derpus]

The Wallabies always perform better without the lightweight Paisami in the midfield.

Yeah im off him. Hes so ineffective.

 

[Pfitzy]

Thought Campbell had a blinder and hardly put a foot wrong.

The missed tackle to let in the try was a very difficult one.

So.... except for the foot he put wrong.

It wasn't difficult - he was turning a little slow but caught the guy easily and got swiped off with a simple palm, 15 metres out. Had him covered for all money.

For the record: I thought Campbell was solid for his second game at this level, but let's not bandy about the word "blinder" when "solid" is closer to the truth.

 

[Derpus]

So.... except for the foot he put wrong.

I thought he was solid for his second game at this level, but let's not bandy about the word "blinder" when "solid" is closer to the truth.

Gotta clutch at what straws we can.

 

[Shiggins]

The good thing about this is that France is not gonna win the next RWC. If this average Wallabies side can match them, they are not the pinacle of the game

Hahaha. An understrength walabies side played very well for 80 percent of that game. France score 2 questionable trys and get away with murder at the breakdown. Australia's game plan worked well and they owned DuPont which proved to pretty much destroy Frances game.

 

[Shiggins]

The biggest problem in our game is a lack of on field disciplne and that should be on the shoulders of the captain. This team needs a no-nonsense captain and not one that supports every whinge that the other 14 make. For every decision that Slipper gets turned over by the ref, we do 10 that we whinge about for no clear reason. The guys do not know the rules and latest suggestions from IRB.
If the players are, like most of us here, whingeing about the refs as the main reason they are losing then no wonder we are making no progress.

Half of the penalties against Australia were not worthy tonight. One player rolled out of the way in less than a second and got pinged. There was an offside call from a palyer coming back who didn't affect a pass or touch anyone. Australia had chances to get on the ball before there was rucks but payper literally told not to touch it even though ricks hadn't formed. He didn't tell France (who had hands in the ruck all night) to leave it alone once. It was very inconsistent

 

[Pfitzy]

Gotta clutch at what straws favourite players who in our eyes are always faultless we can.

FIFY

 

[Brumby Runner]

Before the entry of Fainga'a I thought our line out right up there with the French. Huge performance. Much like our starting scrum. Such a difference to be fronting up to a test where the set piece is up to the job. Our line out was never forced to shallow easier throws. Our mauls always set deep. Barring some hands on the jumper that I think other refs may have called, the line out was under Wallaby control on our own throw.

Not just Fainga'a though, he took one of those tricky-dick calls with everyone shuffling like headless chooks and of course he was dealing with Skelton in the line which made it easier for the French to pick the call. But Fainga'a was responsible for two key throws that had major game impact.

A Wallaby lineout late in the first half was taken by Frost who was in turn taken around the arm by a French jumper who then held on to him and took him to ground. Frost was penalised for not releasing. Along with the missed knock on in the leadup to the French first try, these were the main clangers by Jaco in my book.

 

[Joe Blow]

Yeah im off him. Hes so ineffective.

Thats a bit harsh. He has had some very good games for Australia. Foketi looked good again. Hope he is right for two weeks time. Kerevi is our first pick 12 but Paisami(and Foketi) is a good back up to have at both 12 and 13.

 

[stillmissit]

No need for the patronising tone stillmissit.

I was merely contending that I didn't feel that 'beaten up' was the right word for our beakdown work against the French in this game. It's not so much a question of physicality but of technique. They have an array of players who are international quality onballers coupled with excellent ruck security. We do not have players who are able to attack the ruck with the same degree of accuracy or consistency at this level, but to be fair the French excel in this area, consistently winning more rucks against other top tier nations (as seen across the 6 Nations).

In the Scotland game we were beaten up, but that wont show in the general stats as the Scots didn't necessarily win the rucks but rather slowed down our forward momentum and killed the quality of ball, stifling attack and the pace of the game.

Even if you look at teams like Ireland who are extremely organised in their approach to their ruck work and supporting players, even they struggle to match the French who generally win 95%+ of their rucks.

Some of our issues aren't even those of our supporting players, but that of the tackled player. How they're entering a tackle, presenting the ball, their decision marking about where they go into contact / hit the defensive line. The turned over ball by Campbell is a prime example that leads to unnecessary pressure on a team that is likely fatiguing after making significantly more tackles.

Molman: Cleaned up my act and will stick to stats (Unchecked) I had it 8-0 to the French, now it is hardly my best English but a beating is close enough.
One more point, if you don't think it was the speed of cleanout and support players to the tackled player, we are never going to agree. The tackled player can do nothing apart from attempt to stay on his feet (maul = lose ball or scrum), short or long placement. The rest is up to supporting players and they were a couple of seconds too late all day as per usual.

 

[dru]

Thats a bit harsh. He has had some very good games for Australia. Foketi looked good again. Hope he is right for two weeks time. Kerevi is our first pick 12 but Paisami(and Foketi) is a good back up to have at both 12 and 13.

Paisami has certainly played well for Aus and can be a fabulous player. Right now though? Ikitau surely well ahead.

 

[stillmissit]

Half of the penalties against Australia were not worthy tonight. One player rolled out of the way in less than a second and got pinged. There was an offside call from a palyer coming back who didn't affect a pass or touch anyone. Australia had chances to get on the ball before there was rucks but payper literally told not to touch it even though ricks hadn't formed. He didn't tell France (who had hands in the ruck all night) to leave it alone once. It was very inconsistent

Shiggins you prove my point. If we are too dumb to not know how Peyper refs after several years of him blowing the whistle, we deserve all we get.

 

[Tomikin]

Before the entry of Fainga'a I thought our line out right up there with the French. Huge performance. Much like our starting scrum. Such a difference to be fronting up to a test where the set piece is up to the job. Our line out was never forced to shallow easier throws. Our mauls always set deep. Barring some hands on the jumper that I think other refs may have called, the line out was under Wallaby control on our own throw.

Not just Fainga'a though, he took one of those tricky-dick calls with everyone shuffling like headless chooks and of course he was dealing with Skelton in the line which made it easier for the French to pick the call. But Fainga'a was responsible for two key throws that had major game impact.

We lost two before Fainga came on one not straight one a shit throw if I remember correctly. But we had massive pressure on there scrum and lineout. They in essence did well. But Fainga'a did stuff a few, don't think the last not straight was a fair call, but these two are our clear 1 / 2 hookers in Oz.

 

[qwerty51]

Sipper, Porecki, Holloway, Frost, Valetini, and Ikitau should all be rested IMO. Foley won't play either.

 

[Tomikin]

Sipper, Porecki, Holloway, Frost, Valetini, and Ikitau should all be rested IMO. Foley won't play either.

Rest Wright as well played alot see someone else e.g. Marky Mark (Nawaqanitawase)

 

[qwerty51]

Yes, I just excluded him because he can be dropped

 

[Drew]

Is Lonergan a more consistent thrower? If so and we have our 4 best props playing it’s worth a gamble from the bench. He seemed good for Aus A, would add some late game spark around the field. I just wonder if his size may be an issue come scrum time.

 

[gel]

So.... except for the foot he put wrong.

It wasn't difficult - he was turning a little slow but caught the guy easily and got swiped off with a simple palm, 15 metres out. Had him covered for all money.

For the record: I thought Campbell was solid for his second game at this level, but let's not bandy about the word "blinder" when "solid" is closer to the truth.

Incoming:

1. A post by @Braveheart81 critiquing Campbell's one misstep as if it encompasses his whole match. Then suggesting we need to work in more experience in the fullback position ("oh, I dunno........... Maybe Kurtley Beale, with Marky Mark (Nawaqanitawase) on the wing and Campbell to suck some eggs in the training squad"). The final paragraph being a statement of opinion as if it's an established fact.

2. A post by @barbarian starting with "I'm a Jock fan, but........." followed by a series of statements that clearly show he is anything other than a Jock fan.

3. Me going fucking spastic at the ridiculousness of those posts and getting another timeout.

 

[dru]

We lost two before Fainga came on one not straight one a shit throw if I remember correctly. But we had massive pressure on there scrum and lineout. They in essence did well. But Fainga'a did stuff a few, don't think the last not straight was a fair call, but these two are our clear 1 / 2 hookers in Oz.

ESPN stats have the WB line out as 8/11, two to Fainga'a makes bit hard for there to be two before he was on. Also if the number of lineouts is proportional to time on the field (53 mins in 82 ish for Porecki) that gives Fainga'a something like 2/4 and Porecki 6/7. The performance of the line out was not equal between the period Porecki was throwing and when Fainga'a was throwing.

I stand by my thoughts that our starting line out was a real step forward. To be fair to Fainga'a, and I mentioned this earlier, he had to deal with a line that included Skelton. I'm not pointing fingers at Skelton here, just the obvious that when he is in the lineout it is going to be easier for the opposition to pick the throw.

 

[Drew]

The Skelton lineout factor is probably why Samu came on.