Having no NRC is better how?

[John S]

I miss the NRC - but I don't miss the way that NSW buggered things up for themselves with it.

 

[Perth Girl]

That must’ve been tough for you… the winning, that is.

Tough for some of the posters on here I think!

 

[Perth Girl]

I miss the NRC - but I don't miss the way that NSW buggered things up for themselves with it.

Them selves and the rest of the teams

 

[kiap]

anyone across the rebirth of the Australian Rugby Shield. Adelaide October long weekend and the week prior i believe. SA, VIC, Tas, NT, NSW country, Qld country, WA and ACT in 2 pools

I thought that was intended for 2021. Is it being rebooted?

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I thought that was intended for 2021. Is it being rebooted?

Pretty sure it was. Played in Adelaide as well.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I've always liked the idea of the ARS and have often wondered if we should lean more into it in terms of Rugby below the professional tier. Make it a two division structure with a 1st Division featuring two teams from both Sydney and Brisbane a team from Canberra, Melbourne and Perth. With the 2nd div featuring the teams traditionally featuring plus a Sydney/Brisbane Suburban team and some of the larger regions like Hunter, Illawarra and Gold Coast. Split into pools of course.

 

[Drew]

A month or so back Jack Debrezni was signed with Brumbies. Someone posted he was playing SS for West Harbour. I tuned in out of curiosity and having not much on at the time.

 

[Pfitzy]

Pretty much everyone embraced NRC except the cadre of Sydney Clubs that run SRU to the detriment of almost everything else in Australian Rugby.

So we need it back. And as I've said elsewhere: these powerful Sydney Clubs who think they can cut it at the top level need to be let in as themselves.

Either they'll succeed, and not much will change on the rugby landscape, or they'll fail and we can smile, pat them on the head, and wish them better luck next time.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Pretty much everyone embraced NRC except the cadre of Sydney Clubs that run SRU to the detriment of almost everything else in Australian Rugby.

So we need it back. And as I've said elsewhere: these powerful Sydney Clubs who think they can cut it at the top level need to be let in as themselves.

Either they'll succeed, and not much will change on the rugby landscape, or they'll fail and we can smile, pat them on the head, and wish them better luck next time.

I've suggested a hybrid model in the past. Let the top 2-4 Shute clubs in while also running a combined 'Sydney' side for contracted players/prospects not part of those 4 while running it the same as previous. If they get kicked then they get kicked. Which is most likely.

 

[Joe King]

What's stoping the Oz Super Rugby teams (minus test players) from joining NZs NPC?

Is it simply NZ preferences? Oz teams wouldn't need to compete for the Ranfurly Shield. NZ would get stronger Oz Super Rugby teams for SRP (Super Rugby Pacific). I imagine it would gain a bit of interest as a 3rd tier on Stan in both NZ & Oz.

 

[Wilson]

What's stoping the Oz Super Rugby teams (minus test players) from joining NZs NPC?

Is it simply NZ preferences? Oz teams wouldn't need to compete for the Ranfurly Shield. NZ would get stronger Oz Super Rugby teams for SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific). I imagine it would gain a bit of interest as a 3rd tier on Stan in both NZ & Oz.

Aside from a lack of interest in New Zealand, the costs for travel would likely be prohibitive.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

What's stoping the Oz Super Rugby teams (minus test players) from joining NZs NPC?

Is it simply NZ preferences? Oz teams wouldn't need to compete for the Ranfurly Shield. NZ would get stronger Oz Super Rugby teams for SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific). I imagine it would gain a bit of interest as a 3rd tier on Stan in both NZ & Oz.

Work out how to fit a 19-team comp (20 with Drua) into a 12 week window & as @Wilson notes above a way to fund all the travel & you may be on to something...

 

[Joe King]

Work out how to fit a 19-team comp (20 with Drua) into a 12 week window & as @Wilson notes above a way to fund all the travel & you may be on to something...

My thoughts were 2 pools of 10 teams each. Pools based on previous years standings (odds and evens).

Play everyone in your own pool once. Top 4 from each pool move through for quarters, cross over semis, and a final = 12 weeks.

 

[Joe King]

If the SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) deal goes ahead as has been reported, then I wouldn’t be surprised if our 3rd tier simply becomes the Super Rugby teams, minus test players where it overlaps with TRC, and topped up with club players.

It’s not an ideal 3rd tier, but no third tier is. Here are the boxes I’d want any 3rd tier to at least partly tick:

1. A step between club and Super Rugby for aspiring club players to transition to Super Rugby.
2. All the non-test Super Rugby players involved.
3. A way to keep all the non-test Super Rugby players playing at higher level than club rugby post-SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) in a professional environment.
4. A chance for Super Rugby teams to continue to build combinations and cohesion in preparation for SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) the following year. The Super Rugby teams have started to recognise the importance of this.
5. Something fans will still find engaging.
6. Something that’s as easy and cheap as possible to set up and keep going, with as little resistance as possible from other parties.

A national club comp doesn’t help much with points 1-4. The old NRC struggled with points 5-6. A creative combo of Super Rugby teams and clubs would struggle with points 3-4, and possibly 6.

A ‘Super Rugby AU’ concept (minus test players) is probably the best model overall. It’s ideal for points 2, 3, 4, and 6, and still ok for points 1 and 5, or at least better than some other models.

It also involves no new brand names but can still be branded as Waratahs A, Brumbies A, etc., players continue playing under the one coaching structure between Super Rugby and 3rd tier, coaches can experiment with game plans and combos leading into SRP (Super Rugby Pacific), fits well with new u16 & u19 pathway concept, is the cheapest and easiest model to implement, and can be implemented immediately pending money.

Again, not an ideal 3rd tier, but probably the best overall depending what boxes you want to tick.

 

[Rebel man]

If the SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) deal goes ahead as has been reported, then I wouldn’t be surprised if our 3rd tier simply becomes the Super Rugby teams, minus test players where it overlaps with TRC, and topped up with club players.

It’s not an ideal 3rd tier, but no third tier is. Here are the boxes I’d want any 3rd tier to at least partly tick:

1. A step between club and Super Rugby for aspiring club players to transition to Super Rugby.
2. All the non-test Super Rugby players involved.
3. A way to keep all the non-test Super Rugby players playing at higher level than club rugby post-SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) in a professional environment.
4. A chance for Super Rugby teams to continue to build combinations and cohesion in preparation for SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) the following year. The Super Rugby teams have started to recognise the importance of this.
5. Something fans will still find engaging.
6. Something that’s as easy and cheap as possible to set up and keep going, with as little resistance as possible from other parties.

A national club comp doesn’t help much with points 1-4. The old NRC struggled with points 5-6. A creative combo of Super Rugby teams and clubs would struggle with points 3-4, and possibly 6.

A ‘Super Rugby AU’ concept (minus test players) is probably the best model overall. It’s ideal for points 2, 3, 4, and 6, and still ok for points 1 and 5, or at least better than some other models.

It also involves no new brand names but can still be branded as Waratahs A, Brumbies A, etc., players continue playing under the one coaching structure between Super Rugby and 3rd tier, coaches can experiment with game plans and combos leading into SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific), fits well with new u16 & u19 pathway concept, is the cheapest and easiest model to implement, and can be implemented immediately pending money.

Again, not an ideal 3rd tier, but probably the best overall depending what boxes you want to tick.

That sounds so bad, we just have to get out of bed with the kiwis

 

[Joe King]

That sounds so bad, we just have to get out of bed with the kiwis

If the SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) deal goes ahead as has been reported, then I wouldn’t be surprised if our 3rd tier simply becomes the Super Rugby teams, minus test players where it overlaps with TRC, and topped up with club players.

It’s not an ideal 3rd tier, but no third tier is. Here are the boxes I’d want any 3rd tier to at least partly tick:

1. A step between club and Super Rugby for aspiring club players to transition to Super Rugby.
2. All the non-test Super Rugby players involved.
3. A way to keep all the non-test Super Rugby players playing at higher level than club rugby post-SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) in a professional environment.
4. A chance for Super Rugby teams to continue to build combinations and cohesion in preparation for SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) the following year. The Super Rugby teams have started to recognise the importance of this.
5. Something fans will still find engaging.
6. Something that’s as easy and cheap as possible to set up and keep going, with as little resistance as possible from other parties.

A national club comp doesn’t help much with points 1-4. The old NRC struggled with points 5-6. A creative combo of Super Rugby teams and clubs would struggle with points 3-4, and possibly 6.

A ‘Super Rugby AU’ concept (minus test players) is probably the best model overall. It’s ideal for points 2, 3, 4, and 6, and still ok for points 1 and 5, or at least better than some other models.

It also involves no new brand names but can still be branded as Waratahs A, Brumbies A, etc., players continue playing under the one coaching structure between Super Rugby and 3rd tier, coaches can experiment with game plans and combos leading into SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific), fits well with new u16 & u19 pathway concept, is the cheapest and easiest model to implement, and can be implemented immediately pending money.

Again, not an ideal 3rd tier, but probably the best overall depending what boxes you want to tick.

I should clarify. These are just my thoughts if SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) goes ahead as indicated. If SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) doesn’t go ahead beyond 2023, the whole 3rd concept will need to be re-thought to fit to best fit with whatever fills the Super Rugby void beyond 2023.

 

[Marce]

You can spend that money to develop an aproppiate Australia A with a good schedule.

 

[Dan54]

If the SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) deal goes ahead as has been reported, then I wouldn’t be surprised if our 3rd tier simply becomes the Super Rugby teams, minus test players where it overlaps with TRC, and topped up with club players.

It’s not an ideal 3rd tier, but no third tier is. Here are the boxes I’d want any 3rd tier to at least partly tick:

1. A step between club and Super Rugby for aspiring club players to transition to Super Rugby.
2. All the non-test Super Rugby players involved.
3. A way to keep all the non-test Super Rugby players playing at higher level than club rugby post-SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) in a professional environment.
4. A chance for Super Rugby teams to continue to build combinations and cohesion in preparation for SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) the following year. The Super Rugby teams have started to recognise the importance of this.
5. Something fans will still find engaging.
6. Something that’s as easy and cheap as possible to set up and keep going, with as little resistance as possible from other parties.

A national club comp doesn’t help much with points 1-4. The old NRC struggled with points 5-6. A creative combo of Super Rugby teams and clubs would struggle with points 3-4, and possibly 6.

A ‘Super Rugby AU’ concept (minus test players) is probably the best model overall. It’s ideal for points 2, 3, 4, and 6, and still ok for points 1 and 5, or at least better than some other models.

It also involves no new brand names but can still be branded as Waratahs A, Brumbies A, etc., players continue playing under the one coaching structure between Super Rugby and 3rd tier, coaches can experiment with game plans and combos leading into SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific), fits well with new u16 & u19 pathway concept, is the cheapest and easiest model to implement, and can be implemented immediately pending money.

Again, not an ideal 3rd tier, but probably the best overall depending what boxes you want to tick.

To be honest, the biggest problem with any ideas of combining with a NZ comp is we already got one, and doubt whether the idea of combinig NZ/Aus comp would be met with any joy at all, neither do I believe it would be good for Aus rugby anyway, the whole point of NRC was that it was your comp, same as NPC is our comp. I do think your idea of Super Au without test players has a lot of merit if it too hard to get NRC up and running. The beauty of it is for Aussie rugby is that the comp in a shortened form can be run quicker as well, so players can finish club commitments which finish later in Aus than NZ. Our NPC is up and running while your club comp is reaching finals stage, both because of NPC and NZ club rugby is built around the farming calender.

 

[Goosestep]

The NRC was one of the worst things that ever happened to Australian rugby … good riddance

 

[Lindommer]

The NRC was one of the worst best things that ever happened to Australian rugby … bring it back tomorrow.

fixed.