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Sydney Colts 2012

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Drew

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Bob Davidson (42)
How about parra and penrith splitting their games so one plays 1sts, the other 2nds and whichever fields a 2nds plays 3rds? Hopefully the split 2nd round and 8 team finals will be shown the door
 
Hugh Jarse

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Rocky Elsom (76)
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Is the Shute Shield teams model club vs club across all grades still the best competition model?

Are there any of the Subbies Colts teams of a standard that are able to compete at colts 2 or 3 level to cover gaps from traditional Shute Shield clubs?
 
stonecutter

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Chris McKivat (8)
Done that said:
I anticipate changes to the structure of next years Colt's competition.
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If by less teams you mean that each club will only have to field 2 Colts teams then that may have some merit. It will put less pressure on the clubs who are struggling to attract players currently (not just Parramatta and Penrith) and may redistribute some of the playing strength with clubs not able to stockpile talent while they wait to see if it will bare fruit. It will force players to consider alternate clubs as clubs won't be able to reside them in 3rd grade all season with the view to playing higher the next year or when they blood the potential 1st graders in Shute Shield in the middle of the year. It may also begin the trend towards all club sides playing at the same venue on the same day. Parramatta have been very proactive in developing their colts program for 2013 and should be relatively competetive immediately if what I hear comes to fruition.

If on the other hand, you mean they are going to reduce the number of clubs within the competition they are the dumbest administration within a sporting body you could have. The ramifications would be immense and be playing into the AFL and soccer strategy of not having a viable opposition to contend with. Those from the east who have been beating their chests about how funding should be allocated and to whom should understand that even Uni's sponsors aren't going to be happy if they are playing in an inconsequencial 4 team boutique competition with no chance of exposure to where the highest percentage of population and spendable income exists. Are they stupid enough to think the game can survive if nobody under the age of 18 is playing rugby west of Camperdown or Marsfield because that would be the longterm outcome of such a stupid move.

Sport moves in cycles as Randwick are experiencing right now, and is only as strong as its weakest link. It is every clubs resposibility to help in developing a strong couple of rugby outposts in the greater west as the first line of defence against a pair of aggressive, corporate structured and financial heavyweights or you might find yourselves not playing at all very soon.

Clubs such as Gordon, Eastwood, Randwick and Easts to name a few have been, or are in, difficult financial situations now or recently. If these clubs were to fold along with any western participation in the game then Australia's standing within international rugby would be terminal. Perhaps the greatest problems will come from within as the views expressed by a couple of small thinking individuals on this forum may well reflect those of their club aligned administrators within the SRU and NSWRU.
 
lily

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Vay Wilson (31)
Hugh Jarse said:
Is the Shute Shield teams model club vs club across all grades still the best competition model?

Are there any of the Subbies Colts teams of a standard that are able to compete at colts 2 or 3 level to cover gaps from traditional Shute Shield clubs?
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Who covers them in subbies? I know sometimes teams from the 6th division, North Steyne and Manly Savers being two have had teams play in Division 1 and Division 2 colts but this is rare.
 
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Tahboy

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Stone cutter nobody is suggesting reducing teams , far from it all us narrow minded people from the East are asking is for the head in the sand people from the West to field 3 colts sides or at worst 2 colts sides so that players for the other clubs can give there players a game
This is all part of the criteria to play in the Sydney Premiership completion.
Going off on your tangent about saving the west as rugby in Australia won't prosper, give me a break Parramatta and Penrith have consistently finished last and 2nd last over the last 15 years.
I will ask this question, were Parranatta getting 500k a year sponsorship from Parramatta leagues club and this was pulled about 2009?
 
I like to watch

I like to watch

David Codey (61)
Hang on, you say that any team that can't field 3 colts teams shouldn't be in the comp. Then you say no one wants to reduce the teams in the comp.
which one is it?
 
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Tahboy

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I like to watch, let's have some teams field 7 sides and some 6 and some 5 and some 4
Open slather, do as you like and call it a Sydney premier competition
 
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David Codey (61)
I've got a better idea.
You have to have at least 50% of your colts that have come through your Village clubs.
You are obviously Beastie colt. Which of their village clubs did you play for and for how many years?
Have any of your team mates ever played for an Easts village club?
 
Drew

Drew

Bob Davidson (42)
TahBoy is randwick. At least half their colts grew up around the area. Same with easts, from what I'm told
 
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David Codey (61)
Of that 1/2 how many learnt their Rugby from School and how many from East/Randwick village clubs?
The point being that Randwick/Easts/Uni do very little for rugby players until they are old enough to play colts for them.
when you do nothing for juniors, you are not in a position to criticise any clubs who struggle for numbers with their colts
 
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Tahboy

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Good to see I like to watch is a well balanced person
Has a chip on both shoulders
If nothing is done for the juniors why do we have half our colts come from our juniors?
I think this has been done to death and time to look at what is happening with colts for the rest of the season. Thankfully teams no longer have to drive up to Granville Park and get told sorry no game bad luck bye
 
It is what it is

It is what it is

John Solomon (38)
I like to watch said:
Of that 1/2 how many learnt their Rugby from School and how many from East/Randwick village clubs?
The point being that Randwick/Easts/Uni do very little for rugby players until they are old enough to play colts for them.
when you do nothing for juniors, you are not in a position to criticise any clubs who struggle for numbers with their colts
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Once kids start high school, compulsory Saturday sport for the private schoolboys makes it near impossible for them to play club rugby too.
If you add in travel to and from school and other school activities like excursions,trips, some study? etc, it gets even harder.
Not sure about Uni but I think you'll find both Easts and Randwick, which are clubs doing it very tough financially, do a fair bit for their juniors.
 
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Ron Walden (29)
I like to watch said:
Of that 1/2 how many learnt their Rugby from School and how many from East/Randwick village clubs?
The point being that Randwick/Easts/Uni do very little for rugby players until they are old enough to play colts for them.
when you do nothing for juniors, you are not in a position to criticise any clubs who struggle for numbers with their colts
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That is just plain wrong.
I know that Wicks have a stack of ex Wallabies assisting every weekend - Rugby is growing in the area and to say that nothing is done for Juniors is ignorant - refer to the recent state championships of one - look at the local comps, the Tens Tournemant etc - sorry to rain your parade but you havnt got your facts right
 
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