World Rugby to introduce law trials

[Omar Comin']

Ok Ok, I from the school ,I love my rugby like it is, so if it ain't broken, don't f******* fix it! I agree it great watching NRC where everyone throws ball around and defence is secondary, but hell ITM cup has plenty of open rugby under existing laws!!

You'll get great games under any point system - especially if NZ teams are involved. But what it does is eliminate the types of games where the ball stays almost entirely between the 22's, there's close to 0 try scoring opportunities and there's 12 attempts at penalty goal in the match taking up 20 minutes of game time. That's an extreme example but I hope you get what I mean.

Under the new points system you can still play the game in all sorts of ways. You could play 10 man rugby very effectively for example. But the difference is you can't just rely on getting in the opposition half and forcing penalties to win games. You need to become better at getting the ball over the line to win. I think that's the biggest difference and it creates a change in mentality that makes the game more consistently entertaining. It incentivises a bit more risk taking too, which I think makes for better games.

 

[Braveheart81]

Not quite the point, though, is it?


The scrum used to be a means of restarting play after one side made an error. The side that did not make the error was supposed to have the advantage.


That has all changed, the scrum has gradually expanded in importance to the point where it sometimes becomes the game within the game. If nothing is done we will get to the ridiculous stage where the side with the "dominant" scrum (or the cleverest technicians) can win on the back of their own knock-ons. Try explaining that to a kid who has grown up watching loig.


I care about the future of the game, and I am certain that endless resets, and arbitrary game-changing decisions on the minutiae of the scrum are not the way of the future.

William Webb Ellis picked up the ball and ran with it. Good to see Whirled Rugby inching slowly back to a realisation that this is the essence of the game, not bullshit slow motion nonsense like the overblown scrum and the boring rolling maul.

Unless you depower the scrum it is going to remain an important part of the game and a substantial contributor to the result.

The changing of the engagement rules have reduced resets somewhat and hopefully further advances in the process will improve this over time.

The advice to referees before the RWC about making sure teams use the ball at the back of a stationary scrum quickly rather than holding it in and then going for a second shove should hopefully improve things further.

I don't accept the slippery slope argument that if nothing is done matches will just revert to teams with dominant scrums knocking the ball on so they can go to a scrum and win scrum penalties.

It's almost impossible to find a mismatch where one scrum is so much stronger than the other that they can routinely win a penalty on the other side's scrum feed but there not also being a mismatch across the park where they are inclined to run the ball because they can score tries.

 

[Omar Comin']

No, that's definitely crazy.....

In fact it makes the bonus point system redundant....

The bonus point system is different in the NRC though. You have to score 3 more tries than your opponents to get the attacking BP. I think it's better - you can't just get the 4 tries and take the foot off the gas. It's the same as what's used in France for the Top 14.

 

[dru]

No, that's definitely crazy.....

In fact it makes the bonus point system redundant....

What's wrong with that?

 

[Dan54]

Do you like to see games won and lost on the back of totally random decisions by referees like Poite?

That comment is a bit rubbish Wamberal, I was at a NRC game last night where I thought the ref made some strange decisions, and that under these rules more or less. I can understand how some think it will improve the game changing the laws,I not convinced, but to try and turn this into a moan at the refs is not really where the thread is at.

 

[TOCC]

No, that's definitely crazy.....

In fact it makes the bonus point system redundant....

No it doesn't..

Out of the 26 bonus points which have been on offer in the opening rounds, only 9 bonus points have been earned.

The NRC bonus point system is better then the Super Rugby system of scoring 4 tries.


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[qwerty51]

The NRC bonus point system is better then the Super Rugby system of scoring 4 tries.

Without a doubt, I've made this point before but bonus points for scoring 4 tries is totally unfair.

A team like the Highlanders get a big advantage playing under a roof compared to teams that play in cities that have high rainfall.

 

[TOCC]

Without a doubt, I've made this point before but bonus points for scoring 4 tries is totally unfair.

A team like the Highlanders get a big advantage playing under a roof compared to teams that play in cities that have high rainfall.

Yep and not only that, you see Super Rugby teams earn the bonus point form scoring 4 tries and then change to a conservative game plan and slowing the game down..

With the NRC bonus point system, teams need to continually push to remain 3 tries ahead of their opposition.

I also think it's a farce that in Super Rugby a losing team can earn 2 bonus points despite losing the match.


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[waiopehu oldboy]

Actions have consequences not always intended & I wonder what the consequence of allowing the 9 to feed the scrum up to a metre on his side of the middle might be.

Clearly the opposing hooker has zero chance of gaining a tight head so the defending side will surely go all-in to prevent the attacking team from getting quick ball. In an effort to once again make the scrum a quick way to restart play after a minor infringement, might we actually turn it into eight guys pushing for all they're worth v six trying to hold them long enough for the 2 to hook it & the 8 control it well enough for the 9 to pick up?

I'm not a fan of a six point try or a two point penalty but I do like the reduction of a DG to two & automatically awarding an extra two after a penalty try. The others look great in theory but as with the scrum feed I wonder about the unintended consequences.

The one change I'd love to have seen is a revival of the ELV whereby a rolling maul could be taken down by means of a legal, above-the-waist tackle on anyone part of the maul. Failing that, allowing defenders to "swim" around the side as attackers seem able to do with impunity (even though the Law says they can't) & take the ball carrier to ground. Fuck it, make both legal & be done with it

 

[liquor box]

I would have thought that most penalty tries would result in a card being awarded so time would be stopped so not having to convert does not really save anything. It actually gives the defending captain less time to talk and discipline his team prior to the restart.

I would like to see the clock stopped more to allow for more actual play time.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Unless you depower the scrum it is going to remain an important part of the game and a substantial contributor to the result.

The changing of the engagement rules have reduced resets somewhat and hopefully further advances in the process will improve this over time.

The advice to referees before the RWC about making sure teams use the ball at the back of a stationary scrum quickly rather than holding it in and then going for a second shove should hopefully improve things further.

I don't accept the slippery slope argument that if nothing is done matches will just revert to teams with dominant scrums knocking the ball on so they can go to a scrum and win scrum penalties.

It's almost impossible to find a mismatch where one scrum is so much stronger than the other that they can routinely win a penalty on the other side's scrum feed but there not also being a mismatch across the park where they are inclined to run the ball because they can score tries.

Watch the City v Rays game last night BH? Not to say City deliberately knocked on, but their scrum was so superior for most of the game that they had no threat of losing on their own feed, and on the majority of opposition feeds they won a TH or a penalty.

 

[Braveheart81]

Watch the City v Rays game last night BH? Not to say City deliberately knocked on, but their scrum was so superior for most of the game that they had no threat of losing on their own feed, and on the majority of opposition feeds they won a TH or a penalty.

They were easily the better side and attacked all night with backline play.

They did not shut the game down to a series of scrums and negative play purely because it was an area of advantage.

That is the concept being raised as a reason the scrum needs to be changed. It just doesn't happen.

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[No4918]

I generally like the proposed changes.

 

[ChargerWA]

The big one for me is that the two front rows are fully engaged prior to the scrum starting. The crazy micro-hit we have persisted with add nothing to the game. I really enjoy the scrums now it's a pushing contest. The hit is gladly consigned to the history books.

 

[ChargerWA]

I generally like the proposed changes.

I generally dislike your avatar.

 

[liquor box]

I generally dislike your avatar.

No generally for me, I fully dislike it.

 

[No4918]

You think I like it? Hell no. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Oh, should add that he is a really nice guy.

 

[Dan54]

William Webb Ellis picked up the ball and ran with it. Good to see Whirled Rugby inching slowly back to a realisation that this is the essence of the game, not bullshit slow motion nonsense like the overblown scrum and the boring rolling maul.

Not quite true really though Wamberal, when William Webb ellis picked up the ball, it was only ever mauled over the try line usually by the whole school!!

 

[wamberal]

Not quite true really though Wamberal, when William Webb ellis picked up the ball, it was only ever mauled over the try line usually by the whole school!!

Running with the ball seems to work in the ITM Cup, though.


Maybe that is the point of the changes, more running, less sludge. Just like your favourite competition. Surely that would be a good thing, or is there something that I am missing?

 

[TSR]

[quote="waiopehu oldboy, post: 786559, member: 14632]
The one change I'd love to have seen is a revival of the ELV whereby a rolling maul could be taken down by means of a legal, above-the-waist tackle on anyone part of the maul. [/quote]
I may be wrong, but I believe that this rule caused a number of serious injuries and I think may have actually caused a death due to the stress caused from mauls collapsing on the bodies of tacklers.