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[waiopehu oldboy]

^ they already charge extra if you're a smoker or have diabetes or a family history of heart disease, certain cancers, etc etc so at the very least you'd expect the unvaxxed to be paying more for life/ disability insurance or potentially being denied cover if they're considered too high risk.

 

[fatprop]

Leaving the Medicare side of things alone: what is the life insurance situation for someone who isn't vaccinated? Or TPD?

That will done by the real experts in risk - the actuary

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Not rugby related, but the first AFL retirement due to not wanting to get vaccinated has happened: Liam Jones from my club Carlton. Expect to see some more in elite sport too. I disagree with his stance but support his right to it. Disappointed that he won't be running around for my beloved Blues next year but that's the decision he's made based on his own principles.

 

[formerflanker]

TBH - 15 NRL players are listed in The Australian as currently refusing the vaxx. They are facing sanctions ranging from contract termination to 20% salary cut.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

OK ta - I don't follow the NRL at all.

 

[Rob42]

TBH - 15 NRL players are listed in The Australian as currently refusing the vaxx. They are facing sanctions ranging from contract termination to 20% salary cut.

I wonder if the NRL will take an approach similar to the NFL - players don't need to be vaccinated, but if you come down positive, you're out for longer, and if a game has to be cancelled because you've spread it to your teammates, your team loses the points and pays all associated costs. Not a mandate as such, but gets the clubs motivated...

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I wonder if the NRL will take an approach similar to the NFL - players don't need to be vaccinated, but if you come down positive, you're out for longer, and if a game has to be cancelled because you've spread it to your teammates, your team loses the points and pays all associated costs. Not a mandate as such, but gets the clubs motivated...

I don't mind that actually. Puts some responsibility on individuals.

 

[Braveheart81]

I think it will come down to what the rules are of the various states. If there is free travel by that point for unvaccinated people then maybe the NRL will let unvaccinated people play. If there isn't then I can't imagine they will.

The NFL situation is different because there are no restrictions on unvaccinated people crossing state borders and all travel is by private plane.

 

[Brumby Runner]

South Africa have returned to shut down - 2m people unvaccinated and numbers of cases increasing.

Austria are 65% fully vaccinated but having around 11,000 cases per day. Also gone back into shut down but only for people not double vaccinated. Those with one dose can also avoid lock if they have a current negative test result. Unvaccinated really taking the brunt of action there.

 

[formerflanker]

Here's a persuasive argument against vaccine passports and health discrimination:
56 years ago today, a group of South Africans gathered in the township of Sharpeville to protest a law which required black residents to carry an extremely detailed ID card at all times - a grotesque kind of 'internal passport' that kept the population split in two.

Eventually, the police turned up to this demonstration and opened fire on the unarmed crowd, shooting people in the back as they fled.

69 civilians died.

Over the next few months, the South African government then rounded up 18,000 activists and detained them without charge.

This is what happens to a country that completely loses its moral compass.
Dan Andrews, Facebook, March 2016.

Even the most ardent pro-vaccine passport/vaxx certificate advocate would see the many similarities between Dan's criticisms and Australia today.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ That's possibly the longest bow-draw I've ever seen. Seems to me your Police, like ours, have mostly stood back & let the protesters have their say, I'm not aware of any shootings, beatings, or disappearings?

 

[Slim 293]

Here's a persuasive argument against vaccine passports and health discrimination:
56 years ago today, a group of South Africans gathered in the township of Sharpeville to protest a law which required black residents to carry an extremely detailed ID card at all times - a grotesque kind of 'internal passport' that kept the population split in two.

Eventually, the police turned up to this demonstration and opened fire on the unarmed crowd, shooting people in the back as they fled.

69 civilians died.

Over the next few months, the South African government then rounded up 18,000 activists and detained them without charge.

This is what happens to a country that completely loses its moral compass.
Dan Andrews, Facebook, March 2016.

Even the most ardent pro-vaccine passport/vaxx certificate advocate would see the many similarities between Dan's criticisms and Australia today.

No...

Just... no.

 

[Tex]

Here's a persuasive argument against vaccine passports and health discrimination:
56 years ago today, a group of South Africans gathered in the township of Sharpeville to protest a law which required black residents to carry an extremely detailed ID card at all times - a grotesque kind of 'internal passport' that kept the population split in two.

Eventually, the police turned up to this demonstration and opened fire on the unarmed crowd, shooting people in the back as they fled.

69 civilians died.

Over the next few months, the South African government then rounded up 18,000 activists and detained them without charge.

This is what happens to a country that completely loses its moral compass.
Dan Andrews, Facebook, March 2016.

Even the most ardent pro-vaccine passport/vaxx certificate advocate would see the many similarities between Dan's criticisms and Australia today.

You're cooked.

 

[Tex]

The idea that some smoothbrain conspiracists who refuse a vaccination -- as is their right -- can liken their experience to black South Africans under apartheid or Jews in Europe under fascist Germany is so fucking revolting.

Cretins.

 

[Sully]

Coloured South Africans and jews had no choice about their ethnicity. So no there's no comparison.
People who took the vaccine and those that are genuinely unable to take it deserve the right to safely gather without the risks bought by those that choose to put themselves before everyone else.

 

[formerflanker]

^ That's possibly the longest bow-draw I've ever seen. Seems to me your Police, like ours, have mostly stood back & let the protesters have their say, I'm not aware of any shootings, beatings, or disappearings?

Victorian police have shot protestors. Rubber bullets yes, but still shot them with potentially lethal rounds. South African police also opened fire at protestors.
Australians have to carry documents (attesting to their health status), just like the South Africans.
Andrews has split the population in two, with one portion enjoying freedoms and “privileges” denied to others - just like SA.
An elderly protestor in Victoria was bashed to the ground and pepper sprayed for no reason other than their presence at a protest.
Crash tackling a stationary man who was showing no ill intent occurred at a railway station. We still don't know why the police were so brutal.
A pregnant woman was arrested in her home, still in pjs, for thinking (facebook post) about protesting the next day.

Now tell me there are no similarities with the SA situation, or that we are not losing our moral compass as the SA government did.

 

[cyclopath]

Victorian police have shot protestors. Rubber bullets yes, but still shot them with potentially lethal rounds. South African police also opened fire at protestors.
Australians have to carry documents (attesting to their health status), just like the South Africans.
Andrews has split the population in two, with one portion enjoying freedoms and “privileges” denied to others - just like SA.
An elderly protestor in Victoria was bashed to the ground and pepper sprayed for no reason other than their presence at a protest.
Crash tackling a stationary man who was showing no ill intent occurred at a railway station. We still don't know why the police were so brutal.
A pregnant woman was arrested in her home, still in pjs, for thinking (facebook post) about protesting the next day.

Now tell me there are no similarities with the SA situation, or that we are not losing our moral compass as the SA government did.

If you don't hear it from anyone bar Newscorp, Fox or Sky why would anyone think you'd believe or accept it?
Refusing a vaccine or the limitations that come with it does not equate to racial or other segregation. Utter nonsense.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Victorian police have shot protestors. Rubber bullets yes, but still shot them with potentially lethal rounds. South African police also opened fire at protestors.
Australians have to carry documents (attesting to their health status), just like the South Africans.
Andrews has split the population in two, with one portion enjoying freedoms and “privileges” denied to others - just like SA.
An elderly protestor in Victoria was bashed to the ground and pepper sprayed for no reason other than their presence at a protest.
Crash tackling a stationary man who was showing no ill intent occurred at a railway station. We still don't know why the police were so brutal.
A pregnant woman was arrested in her home, still in pjs, for thinking (facebook post) about protesting the next day.

Now tell me there are no similarities with the SA situation, or that we are not losing our moral compass as the SA government did.

If you ever fancy a working holiday I recommend Central Otago in the spring: world-class cherries but never enough pickers....

 

[Pfitzy]

Even the most ardent pro-vaccine passport/vaxx certificate advocate would see the many similarities between Dan's criticisms and Australia today.

I'm mostly curious as to which Boomer-Angst/RWNJ website you plucked that from?

Check your fucking privilege. Seriously.

 

[Pfitzy]

A bigger concern for me: people protesting through the streets of Melbourne with a fake gallows, who are making death threats against elected officials.

The reason? They're a pack of chuds who have been sucked down a rabbit hole of conspiracy bullshit, fuelled mostly by Murdoch anti-Labor sentiment.

NSW and Victoria at this point aren't very different in terms of restrictions, but the LNP NSW are basically getting a free ride.