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Northern Hemisphere/6N Rugby

Wilson

Tim Horan (67)
URC is an entirely separate comp. Owned by the Irish, Scottish and Welsh Feds plus CVC. Can't see them bailing out the Prem.
that's the question though, what will the Welsh do as their system falls apart? An Anglo-Welsh league makes a lot of sense for both parties, particularly once the Welsh have culled a team.

If/when they make that jump it'll become very tempting for at least the Scots to follow them.
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
that's the question though, what will the Welsh do as their system falls apart? An Anglo-Welsh league makes a lot of sense for both parties, particularly once the Welsh have culled a team.

If/when they make that jump it'll become very tempting for at least the Scots to follow them.
That makes a lot of sense Wilson. Wales and Scotland joining England must be appealing as hell. How easy for travel etc, can do it all on bus etc if wanted.
 

Strewthcobber

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Wales and Scotland (and Ireland) are now equal stakes equity partners with South Africa in URC though. Which is bringing in a lot more money than it used to (because of SA), but will also be very difficult to extract themselves from given contractual relationships with each other, and all of the various broadcast partners
 

Italophile

Watty Friend (18)
Wales and Scotland (and Ireland) are now equal stakes equity partners with South Africa in URC though. Which is bringing in a lot more money than it used to (because of SA), but will also be very difficult to extract themselves from given contractual relationships with each other, and all of the various broadcast partners
Exactly. And quite why URC would want to dismantle a profit-making organisation to bail out a fatally flawed Prem is beyond me.
 

Wilson

Tim Horan (67)
Exactly. And quite why URC would want to dismantle a profit-making organisation to bail out a fatally flawed Prem is beyond me.
The 'URC' as a whole wouldn't, but the Welsh might. They are drowning and the URC hasn't worked for them - financially or in an on field performance sense.

The competition agreements likely make things tricky, but the Welsh have plenty of motivation. The other aspect is the PE in both the URC and Prem is CVC. With them holding a share in both competitions they may be sorely tempted to see the deck reshuffled to maximize revenue from the British market, while using the URC as a vehicle for growth into Europe, opening up markets in Spain/Portugal/Germany/etc.
 

Italophile

Watty Friend (18)
The 'URC' as a whole wouldn't, but the Welsh might. They are drowning and the URC hasn't worked for them - financially or in an on field performance sense.

The competition agreements likely make things tricky, but the Welsh have plenty of motivation. The other aspect is the PE in both the URC and Prem is CVC. With them holding a share in both competitions they may be sorely tempted to see the deck reshuffled to maximize revenue from the British market, while using the URC as a vehicle for growth into Europe, opening up markets in Spain/Portugal/Germany/etc.
The Welsh have one vote out of four (or more, depending on how much say CVC has). They will be down to two teams, it's only a matter of which ones, so their limited resources become less stretched. Even allowing for their idiocy I can't see them bailing out of a profitable competition for a great unknown. CVC's interests are eyeballs and profit. URC supplies both, the alternative an unknown. If I were CVC I would kick the Prem up the arse. They are in cloud cuckoo land. A financial black hole and they want to increase the salary cap. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
 

WorkingClassRugger

Michael Lynagh (62)
The Welsh have one vote out of four (or more, depending on how much say CVC has). They will be down to two teams, it's only a matter of which ones, so their limited resources become less stretched. Even allowing for their idiocy I can't see them bailing out of a profitable competition for a great unknown. CVC's interests are eyeballs and profit. URC supplies both, the alternative an unknown. If I were CVC I would kick the Prem up the arse. They are in cloud cuckoo land. A financial black hole and they want to increase the salary cap. Anyway, it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

The push to increase the salary cap is just insane given the current financial circumstances of the clubs. They need to consolidate and invest in continuing to grow engagement with a broader cross section of the community. The Prem is a really fun product to watch at present. They are seeing solid viewership growth season on season albeit from a relatively low base. They need look to maintain this with an eye toward a decebt increase in the next TV deal. They also need to focus on things like the Big Day Out and Big Game events.
 

WoodysRFC

Ted Fahey (11)
The push to increase the salary cap is just insane given the current financial circumstances of the clubs. They need to consolidate and invest in continuing to grow engagement with a broader cross section of the community. The Prem is a really fun product to watch at present. They are seeing solid viewership growth season on season albeit from a relatively low base. They need look to maintain this with an eye toward a decebt increase in the next TV deal. They also need to focus on things like the Big Day Out and Big Game events.
Seem in a hurry to get it back up to a 12+ team comp, perhaps more fixtures / more TV money?

Should consolidate what they have, make sure it's sustainable, and then grow again.
 

WorkingClassRugger

Michael Lynagh (62)
Seem in a hurry to get it back up to a 12+ team comp, perhaps more fixtures / more TV money?

Should consolidate what they have, make sure it's sustainable, and then grow again.
I think that rises from the belief that the loss of the two extra home games each has led to the gap in revenue and expenses. And that may be true. But I also think that the product on display has never been better. I've never been a big Prem viewer but I have begun to enjoy it far more over the ladt couple of seasons. So they have to balance the level of competition with growth and not rush it for sake of vested interests much like the SL in England is currently doing with a push to 14 teams despite the competition being severely lopsided.
 

Italophile

Watty Friend (18)
Seem in a hurry to get it back up to a 12+ team comp, perhaps more fixtures / more TV money?

Should consolidate what they have, make sure it's sustainable, and then grow again.
That's the theory. More matches, more TV money. But which teams are added to the 10? The Prem has a minimum stadium size rule. Stadium needs to hold at least 5,000 with permission to increase to 10,000. No Championship stadia fit the need. Plus their crowds are, relative to the Prem, tiny.
 

WorkingClassRugger

Michael Lynagh (62)
That's the theory. More matches, more TV money. But which teams are added to the 10? The Prem has a minimum stadium size rule. Stadium needs to hold at least 5,000 with permission to increase to 10,000. No Championship stadia fit the need. Plus their crowds are, relative to the Prem, tiny.

May be more TV money in the next deal but not under the current. Bringinh it back to 12 in the next couple of season will mean splitting the current deal among more clubs. The obvious candidate that will actually be competing in the upcoming season are the Worcester Warriors. Sixways fits the requirements. Doncaster meets the requirements by having actual plans to further expand their ground. Outside of that unless LI and Wasps return that is about is.

At least in terms of existing or known entities. Tbe proposed move to the franchise model could mean previously unknown candidates could emerge.
 
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