• Welcome to the forums of Green & Gold Rugby.
    We have recently made some changes to the amount of discussions boards on the forum.
    Over the coming months we will continue to make more changes to make the forum more user friendly for all to use.
    Thanks, Admin.

2019 Junior Gold Cup

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
Staff member
The Junior Gold Cup will be running again in the up coming holidays. Info is currently hard to find so feel free to post anything you find here.

Qld squads should be named today.
 

Helix

Bob McCowan (2)
I’m keen to see who made it too. Can’t seem to see the Under 16 lists either even though players have been emailed already.
 

Helix

Bob McCowan (2)
Queensland U16s Maroon

FORWARDS

Joshua Mongard - Brisbane State High School
Charlie Wigan - Toowoomba Grammar School
Max Craig - Anglican Church Grammar School
Oahu Davey-Phillips - St Joseph's Nudgee College
Harrison Swane - St Joseph's Nudgee College
Tom Zuidam - Anglican Church Grammar School
Daniel Maiava-Tapusoa - St Joseph's Nudgee College
Max Johnson - Padua College
Ewen Marr - Anglican Church Grammar School
Nick Baker - Marist College Ashgrove
George Stoddart - Anglican Church Grammar School
Xavier Stowers - Ipswich Grammar School Zac Hough - Brisbane Boys College John Bryant - St Laurences College
BACKS

Sam Farrar - Anglican Church Grammar School
Willem Johnstone - St Joseph's Nudgee College
Mason Gordon - Brisbane Boys College
Taj Annan - Brisbane Boys College
Jojo Fifita - The Southport School
Malique Douthat-Sjoberg - Ipswich Grammar School
Robert Mapa - St Joseph's Nudgee College
David Vaihu - St Joseph's College Gregory Terrace
Floyd Aubrey - Marist College Ashgrove
Harry Walters - St Joseph's College Gregory Terrace

Staff

David Miles - Head Coach
Michael Lucas - Assistant Coach
Luke Oxford - Assistant Coach
Krystal Kirkman – Manager



Queensland U16s White

FORWARDS

Lachlan Bishop - St Joseph's College Gregory Terrace Jack Booker - St Patrick's College Noah Hartley - Marist College Emerald Cooper McGeary - The Southport School
Leighton Whippy - Padua College
Saxon Warick - Iona College
Hunter Dalzell - The Southport School
Dante Fruean - Ipswich Grammar School
Zachariah Tia - Forest Lake State High School
Luke Kofutua - Ipswich Grammar School
Oliver Harvey - St Joseph's Nudgee College
Michael Jones - St Joseph's Nudgee College
Samson Sauaso - Ipswich State High School
Willem Pienaar - Downlands College
BACKS

Braydon O'Sullivan - Ipswich Grammar School
Jackson Dows - St Patrick's College
Isaiah Armstrong-Ravula - Ipswich State High School
Jed Bignell - Ipswich Grammar School
Clancy McPherson - Toowoomba Grammar School
Larzlo Sword - Anglican Church Grammar School
Noah Fielding - A.B.Paterson College
Damien Vukovic - Brisbane State High School
Alex Miles - Somerset College
Wayne Meredith - Smithfield State High School
Jack Densen - The Southport School

Staff

Mick Tunny - Head Coach
Rob Riori - Assistant Coach
Jono Farrell - Assistant Coach
Louise Moevao - Manager
 

THP3

Bob McCowan (2)
3 weekends of tough training for the boys in blue at Daceyville, then onto Canberra. I can’t wait to watch, lots of talented boys playing for all the teams involved.
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
Pretty rough on Syris Schmidt and Kaleb Ngamanu if they were available. I mean ......they are only a GPS Opens premiership winning midfield

BBC’s Peron Faimolo also a notable omission

A bit tough on the Terrace 16’s with only 3 players included - where their predominately senior led , 1 x win , First XV - that had 7 players represented in this carnival last year - only featured 2 x U16’s this season

With comments around Gas Budgets and the usual Country bleatings about being hard done by , in addition to , complaints about private school privilege , it seems the feed of the real pathway from 16’s to 18’s to 20’s is more and more working against players and families that think they have an advantage at a GPS School

The death knell of GPS Rugby as we know it is before us
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
I think that’s the idea, yes.

RahRahs no more. The game of people. Huzzah!

I actually agree with you Shanky ( as to intent ) but I would point out two basic observations

1. The majority of the most dominant GPS Rugby programs , and even AIC programs , have had the benefit of boarding houses that not only accommodate Country QLD boys - but boys from all over Australia and New Zealand - where the large majority of them are paying nowhere near full freight . Therefore by virtue of this truth alone - inclusivity and representation already exists. Not in final filter admittedly

2. The game has not been rah rah for 30 odd years - Darth John O’Neill saw to that , yet, people still reference it as such in order to represent and address a whole range of social and economic pressures from where they come from and administrators get conned in the inclusivity card that gets played

The reality on point 1 is that 2 or 3 schools will continue to chase it reinforce their “dominance” when it comes to Rugby - while 1 or 2 others don’t have depth in anything and are likely slowly going broke, and then a few others are more interested in upping the dollar spend per student ( most likely as to how their Executive are KPI’d ) and so are interested in the Asian and Middle Eastern markets- that can and will spend more compared to the discounted , more economically disadvantaged local remote markets
 

BraveandGame

Bob Loudon (25)
The death knell of GPS Rugby as we know it is before us

And so tolls the bell for the sport in this country, how many of the lads playing Rugby in the first XV at schools like TSS, BBC and NC etc would be Playing league if not for their much vilified scholarship programs.

Oh Rugby be very careful what you wish for
 

shanky

Darby Loudon (17)
No offence, but I'm not buying the 'they have country boarders so leave them alone' argument.

Everybody knows that many parents pay the exorbitant fees so kiddo can get a rails-run to the rep teams. Everybody knows this happens. It's precisely the reason why the 'private' schools want to maintain the status quo.

And if he wasn't at GPS he'd just as likely be playing club, not league (unless someone can show me facts otherwise) and in any case, no-one is trying to undermine the GPS system, just dent its hegemony.

The changes in the national pathway scheme have been equitable and subtle, to 'introduce' the concept that players from somewhere other than the schoolboys pathway, might get a look-in. This year, a handful of players made it in to the rep teams.
Anyone who is in favour of building grass roots rugby must see that this is a small price worth paying.

Again, I have nothing against GPS or scholarships or any of it. I think we can bring ourselves to widen the net a bit though, for the sake of the future.
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
Careful Shanky. We saw how Affirmative Action for the sake of Affirmative Action panned out for the Springboks in recent times.

Not sure how it works precisely in NSW ( if that is where you are from and where you draw your perspective ) but Schools pretty much chicken hawk junior league and rugby carnivals from U12 up here - and continue ongoing mining of all these Rep Regionals at State Carnivals etc - right up until U16.

QLD's System around the much maligned GPS Schools has been one of a Combine Harvester where the fall down is there is no direct nexus or organised development between the Schools and the Reds , and where , the Reds are not able to run Development Officers and programs in remote locations - or at least to any scale of cost/benefit efficiency.

With respect , this notion of moneyed to the manor born types , sending their boys to GPS Schools ( at least in QLD ) and paying the bomb for the rails run ( as you say ) is manifestly false

The NSW system seems as though it has more layers than Scott of the Antarctic and with deeper , more voluminous educational markets ( and hence boarding house markets ) I don't believe any of these Schools have probably had to dance for anybody unless they choose to go wholesale for bragging rights.

Anyway ......I do believe in the concept of a fair suck of the sauce bottle and believe that the promotion of the game through the State School networks doesn't have to a be a case of it can only succeed if GPS is de-constructed or even "dented" as you put it . Personally , and to compete against the "hearts and mind" advantage that League has and even AFL - I would like to see RA get it's shit together with State based Departments of Education and designate specialist Rugby Schools with more of a heavier emphasis initially on Sevens Rugby that I believe is the key to attract better participation numbers on in the short to mid term and then try and leverage the 15 person game off the back of that ( notice how I said person )

The drive of this approach ( at least for women in the short term but I believe ultimately for men ) is the whole opening up of an entirely different, largely subsidised , educational proposition in US College Sports - something that neither League nor AFl can offer and gives Rugby a major competitive advantage in getting traction back in the State School system.

Think Global . Act Local.

By the way Shanky - love your Avatar. Very cool
 

Jets

Paul McLean (56)
Staff member
Qld Junior Gold Teams are up

https://reds.rugby/news/2019/09/03/190903-queensland-junior-gold-cup-teams-announced-for-2019

Queensland Maroon

Forwards

Xavier Collins - Brisbane Grammar School
Mathew Greenhorn – Iona/Easts RC
Aidan Taylor - Brisbane State High School/Sunnybank RC
Caleb Laifoo - The Southport School
Ahmani Leilua - Brisbane State High
Max Wright - Miami State High School/Helensvale RC
Demetrius Williams - Pimpama State High School/Helensvale RC
Dylan Hindmarsh - Brisbane State High School/Everton Park RC
Jock McCormack - The Southport School
Lolo Sekona - Brisbane State High School/Sunnybank RC
Austin Wells -The Southport School/Surfers Paradise RC
Spencer Smallercombe - Rockhampton Grammar/Frenchville Pioneers
Mani Zhirin - Nudgee College
Matthias Maugatai - Brisbane State High School/Sunnybank RC

Backs

Tom Manca - Sunshine Coast Grammar School
Siliva Leofa - Brisbane State High School
Morris Clementson - Toowoomba Grammar School
Jai Gray - The Southport School
Jackson Poloai - Brisbane State High School
Hayden Lammon - Marist College Ashgrove
Jasper Benson - Brisbane State High School
Carter Wight - Rockhampton Grammar School
Rickson Aliva - Brisbane State High School/Springfield Lakes RC
Max Robertson - Marymount College/Palm Beach RC
Antioch Faitala - Brisbane State High School

Staff

Eddie Keepa - Head Coach
Eric Smyth - Assistant Coach
Taria Smyth - Manager


Queensland White

Forwards

Kreedence Locke - Pacific Pines State High School/Gold Coast Eagles RC
Jack Spencer- Brisbane Grammar School
MalakaiDavis – Raeli - St Patrick's College/Norths Juniors RC
Zach Wren - Marymount College/Bond Pirates RC
Eddie Ryan - Nudgee College/Norths Juniors RC
Tyson Stanley - Marsden State High School/Sunnybank RC
Rory Arndell - Nudgee College
Jericho Els - Brisbane State High School/Souths RC
Stuart Tualima - Brisbane State High School/Sunnybank RC
Sieg MacKellar - Brisbane Grammar School/Wests RC
Joe Liddy - Gregorary Terrace
Cooper Cameron - Nudgee College/Norths Juniors RC
Cadell Rees - Brisbane Boys College/Wests RC
Liam Le Blanc - Nudgee College/Norths Juniors RC


Backs

Brodie Stallman - Rockhampton Grammar School
Inigo Lawrence - Nudgee College/Easts RC
Troy Bath - Nudgee College
Jayden Green - Rockhampton Grammar School
Tyrell Waka – Rhind - Nudgee College
Jed Lacey - St Edmund's
Joseph Currie - Toowoomba Grammar School
Kadin Pritchard - St Peter’s/Springfield Lakes RC
Shannon Donaldson - Robina State High School
Jo Wikiara - Sunshine Coast Grammar School
Denzil Perkins - Ipswich Grammar School

Staff

Rama Chand - Head Coach
Josh Afu - Assistant Coach
Ben Marczyk - Manager


Queensland Blue

Forwards

Kosky Faulalo - Bellbird Park SSC/Sunnybank RC
Cruz Leeming - King's College/Nerang RC
Noah Talbot - Sunshine Coast Grammar School
Lachlan Rolls - St Laurence's College/Souths RC
Ryan Nichols - St Columban’s
Nick Harper - Marist College Ashgrove
Pat Gavin - Marist College Ashgrove/GPS RC
Beau Brown - Iona College
Mathew Robertson - Brisbane Boys College
Flynn Carson - Coombabah State High School/Helensvale RC
Oliver Chaffey - Toowoomba Grammar School/USQ Saints RC
Haze Tai- Rakena - Keebra Park State High School/Helensvale RC
Manahi Maurangi - Trinity Bay State High School
Zac Reddan - Toowoomba Grammar School/USQ Saints RC

Backs

Thomas Segger - Iona College/Easts RC
Fraser Cowan - The Southport School/Surfers Paradise RC
EJ (Eddie Jones) Luafalealo - Gregory Terrace
Villiami Manu - Ipswich Grammar School
Kacey Kopua - The Southport School
Will Hancock - Gregory Terrace
Elekana Suavai - Trinity Bay State High School/Southside Crusaders RC
James Crilly - Brisbane Grammar School
Hosea Kedzlie - Cairns Christian College
Blake Raymond - The Southport School
Will Sheedy - Brisbane Grammar School


Staff
Ben O'Connell - Head Coach
Chris Daykin - Assistant Coach
Fred Tolai - Manager
 

shanky

Darby Loudon (17)
^You may not buy it , but have seen it time and time again where the best of the U13/14 Qld Country teams end up parked in a GPS boarding house come year 10.

I am happy to take you at your word.
Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes. I don't think that private schools currently providing the only viable pathway for country boys means that we should accept that this is the best way to do it.
Happy to be wrong about things in Qld, though
 

shanky

Darby Loudon (17)
Careful Shanky. We saw how Affirmative Action for the sake of Affirmative Action panned out for the Springboks in recent times.

Not sure how it works precisely in NSW ( if that is where you are from and where you draw your perspective ) but Schools pretty much chicken hawk junior league and rugby carnivals from U12 up here - and continue ongoing mining of all these Rep Regionals at State Carnivals etc - right up until U16.

QLD's System around the much maligned GPS Schools has been one of a Combine Harvester where the fall down is there is no direct nexus or organised development between the Schools and the Reds , and where , the Reds are not able to run Development Officers and programs in remote locations - or at least to any scale of cost/benefit efficiency.

With respect , this notion of moneyed to the manor born types , sending their boys to GPS Schools ( at least in QLD ) and paying the bomb for the rails run ( as you say ) is manifestly false

The NSW system seems as though it has more layers than Scott of the Antarctic and with deeper , more voluminous educational markets ( and hence boarding house markets ) I don't believe any of these Schools have probably had to dance for anybody unless they choose to go wholesale for bragging rights.

Anyway ..I do believe in the concept of a fair suck of the sauce bottle and believe that the promotion of the game through the State School networks doesn't have to a be a case of it can only succeed if GPS is de-constructed or even "dented" as you put it . Personally , and to compete against the "hearts and mind" advantage that League has and even AFL - I would like to see RA get it's shit together with State based Departments of Education and designate specialist Rugby Schools with more of a heavier emphasis initially on Sevens Rugby that I believe is the key to attract better participation numbers on in the short to mid term and then try and leverage the 15 person game off the back of that ( notice how I said person )

The drive of this approach ( at least for women in the short term but I believe ultimately for men ) is the whole opening up of an entirely different, largely subsidised , educational proposition in US College Sports - something that neither League nor AFl can offer and gives Rugby a major competitive advantage in getting traction back in the State School system.

Think Global . Act Local.

By the way Shanky - love your Avatar. Very cool


Thanks for your considered reply and for the compliment. I always appreciate those bastards who shoot straight.
:)

I will also take your comments at face value, based on things being different up your way.
Nonetheless, I think a bit of affirmative action is warranted, if only in NSW perhaps.
Your Springboks example is an interesting one. There is no doubt it didn't work for the Springboks team. But did it do any good for the development of SA rugby?

On second thoughts, don't answer that. A can of worms.

Cheers
 
Top