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Galloper

Darby Loudon (17)
You're dead right Blindside - they were exactly like you describe and some kids found it harder to be not selected than those who deserved a look.


I'm not sure exactly what format they're looking at for the Qld Schools team next year, but let's not forget that Education Qld personnel won't be involved in the process so it shouldn't closely resemble the selection of Met teams for U12's, U15's etc.

On the other hand, you can still be guaranteed that politics and horsetrading will be front and centre when the teams are being picked, as in all junior rep sport, so as always there will be those picked who shouldn't be there and others missing out who should be in.

It ill certainly be interesting to see how they construct the zones for the teams next year if that system comes in, as under the Met system North and West would seem to be a lot stronger than East, TSS = South Coast and who knows where TGS would fit in......
 

Bledisloe

Herbert Moran (7)
What is everyone's tips for the last round people and by how much?

Tipster who gets a perfect last round will get a free burnt sausage in a piece of stale bread from the canteen...;)
 

Garry Owens

Alan Cameron (40)
@ Galloper ( in response to your queries over next year and who's who in the Met Carnival Zoo )

Sunshine Coast ( projected 5th to 6th )

Some quality here in the centres - who can also play 8/6 as any 12 can - or vice versa - as the rage is - but do they have the quantity elsewhere ? . Probably not . They'll be willing and put up a good fight as a group that have been together for a good 5 years or so but they - like all the other regional teams ( bar Downs and South Coast ) will just be too thin

Downs Region ( projected 4th to 5th )

TGS and Downlands would populate the majority of a Downs team . Between these 2 schools you've got 2 of the top 3 or 4 #10's in the age group ( Baxter Franey and Kai Duggan ) , probably the best #15 age group ( Mac Grealy - although he will be going against Jack Bowyer in Met West who will back as an 18 year old ) you've got one of the best #9's in the age group ( Wilson Cochrane ) , decent quality through the midfield with TGS's #12, Bailey Skeats one of the last man standing after the mass exodus of GPS 12's in this age group now headed to the 6 and 8 spots - some playing GPS First XV in the back row from Grade 11 - considerably harder to do that in the GPS Comp

Good solid forwards , Country Strong , up this way ( duh ) with Hamish Muller likely an U16 starter at lock or 6 in TGS's First XV this year

Met East ( projected 3rd to 4th to 5th )

In short , too many ball runners and not enough on ballers

They'll have muscle and power via BSHS's Linston Tuimavave and Alapati Soaolo upfront ( although I am sure there will be a temptation to run one of these guys at 8 ) , a work horse with good size in SLC's Angus Sawtell at the 2 and some muscle coming through in the age group below as well . Villa's Lucas Boylan gives a solid set piece target in the lineouts - but outside of Churchie's Aidan King there really isn't a lot of attack on the ball . The BSHS guys are more run first types and tackle defenders . Wian Joubert - another convert from #12 to the #6-#8 spot this season will give some snap and crackle with BSHS's Kai Johnstone adding the pop. Undoubted quality in the forwards but depth , and quality of depth , is a major question mark

BSHS's Moses Jones is a steady game organiser at #10 but Met East just may have the best centre pairing in BSHS's Sam Silli and Grant Tuisamoa ( if he plays 13 instead of 15 ) and Churchie's Toby Cubby , at 10 , also will be in the mix here

Villa's Robert Agnew should fly the AIC flag on a wing . Again - depth might end up being the issue

Met North ( projected 3rd to 4th )

Nudgee will have the game winners here with #10/#12 Reesjan Pasitota back as an 18 year old . They have a couple of guys in the back 3 that are capable of turning a game as finishers in Tresman Banjo and Athan Waia and Terrace's Glenn Vahiua will be back as an 18 year old - projects as a helluva back 3 . More depth with Mayson Hill also turning 18 and already turning heads early in his first year at Terrace . More support in the outside backs with Glen's younger brother David who figures to be a leading light in the 15's this year and Pat Elekana expected to win a wing spot as an U16 year old on Terrace's First XV this year (who project as a Top 3 GPS Team )

Met North will have some honest toilers upfront with MCA's Lachie McKarzel , Grammar's James Pearce and Lachie Pheely - but they will be spearheaded by Terrace's Emerson Treasure who figures to be the top ranked #1 in the age group . Padua's Jaiden Walker might be an interesting continuing project in the front row stocks , a giant of a lad that would balance Emerson Treasure out fairly well. Locks are a question mark , and frankly , a weakness in how Met North project , however SPC's Taelyn Nukunuku will be around ( probably sees himself more as an 8 ) and the versatile Angus Mackey from Nudgee College could also be in the mix here . Charlie Hayes also from Nudgee could be the one that no one sees coming but needs to come through in top company . Terrace have a couple of projects that will likely remain that way in these spots . In the loose forwards nothing much will have changed from Met North U12's with Terrace's Charlie Condon leading the way and MCA's Lachie Howse his usual consistent self . Nudgee's Centre to backrow convert Titi Nofoagoata will add some starch and Nudgee's Ronin Nutley will keep everyone honest . Nudgee's Johna Luka will be a quality floating utility that also could provide another big Prop option to balance out with Terrace's Emerson Treasure

They probably have the wood on Met East - but not enough class to take down South Coast or Met West

South Coast and Met West ( 1st to 2nd )

It's probably not really worthwhile to cover off on these 2 in much detail seeing as though there are no AIC Schools on the South Coast and South Coast is pretty much going to have circa 12 returning players from TSS's First and Seconds this year ( both teams figuring to be premiership winners ) + 2 to 3 from their 16A's this year ( Michael Van Der Schyff - being prominent as maybe the best lock in the age group ) and from their U15 Team this year ( Jojo Fijita and Syrus Smith figuring to be prominent ) The rest of it will balance out with CSS guys like Helensvale High's Chad Dinger ( Prop ) and maybe Adrian Armaeo , also Helensvale High ( Wing ) leading the way

In terms of Met West - the best #9, Kalani Thomas and best #10, Sam Walker in the age group are at IGS , the best #13 , Jack Howarth and #15 , Jack Bowyer are at BBC and you'll have at least 2 guys in the back 3 that are 10.7 to 10.9 over 100m from BBC ( JB and Xavier Savage ) with IGS also adding depth in the uber talented Kedan Chung Tan and Seamus King Smith . It is worthy to note that IGS's Ethan King - a star Queensland League Representative on multiple occasions - might just turn out to be the best midfield defender in the class of 2019. And we still haven't mentioned QLD U15 Red standouts last year - Lukas Ripley (BBC ) and Christian Krause ( IGS )- or , Gordon Mark 2 ( Mason - BBC 15A this year) or QLD League Pivot Connor Claridge ( BBC ) - although I just did

In terms of the forward pack - I'd expect SPLC's Max Hurwood will be in the back row frame and IGS will add depth via Dillon Stone , Konrad Wallace , Sam Porter , Tom Tronc , Nathan Weir and Rio Brownlow - to 5 x returning projected starters in the BBC Forward Pack - led by 2 x 18 year olds - Oscar Ruru at THP and the 6'7 Clancy Due at Left Lock. BBC figuring to be a Top 3 team this year - and with the way that way this pack set up the platform for Carter Gordon and Co in the backline to do their thing in the recent win over Otago Boys High was significant. Add to which there are a further 5 x key reserves this year - 3 of whom will also be 18 next year - so at least half of BBC's starting forward pack next year will be 18 year olds . And there hasn't even been any mention of U15 IGS manchild Xavier Stowers yet who is being made to play 16A's this year , because well .....he is a man child

Summary

If the drive of this has been all about giving the minority regions a fairer shake at the selection table , frankly , it has decreased their opportunities

For example - by not consolidating the talent out of the regions into a CSS team - the individual regions will get bollocked , whereas , they would have fared better as a team with consolidated talent .

Same with the AIC lads - outside of say 2 ( Tops ) in Met West - I can't see anymore than half a dozen in Met North and you'll probably see around about the same in Met East Overall then , and unless affirmative action choices are in play , I can't see anymore than 15 x Representatives from AIC - and obviously this is less than the 25 they had last year and the 27 they will have this year as their own team

How is this a better outcome for AIC ?

If this has been about trying to level playing fields and create fairer go's etc - it , in my view , has made it worse for AIC Boys to be seen - and whilst it may have increased the visibility for regional boys in their regional teams - with the talent not being consolidated they are going to get belted and it will be doubly as hard for any kid with talent to compete properly

This is where the concept is flawed . If it is about levelling the playing field for the minorities - it's actually going to go in the opposite direction and make it that much harder for them
 

Ali Barber

Allen Oxlade (6)
@ Galloper ( in response to your queries over next year and who's who in the Met Carnival Zoo )

Sunshine Coast ( projected 5th to 6th )

Some quality here in the centres ( who can also play 8/6 as any 12 can - or vice versa - as the rage is - but do they have the quantity elsewhere ? . Probably not . They'll be willing and put up a good fight as a group that have been together for a good 5 years or so but they - like all the other regional teams ( bar Downs and South Coast ) will just be too thin

Downs Region ( projected 4th to 5th )

TGS and Downlands would populate the majority of a Downs team . Between these 2 schools you've got 2 of the top 3 or 4 #10's in the age group ( Baxter Franey and Kai Duggan ) , probably the best #15 age group ( Mac Grealy - although he will be going against Jack Bowyer in Met West who will back as an 18 year old ) you've got one of the best #9's in the age group ( Wilson Cochrane ) , decent quality through the midfield with TGS's #12, Bailey Skeats one of the last man standing after the mass exodus of GPS 12's in this age group now headed to the 6 and 8 spots - some playing GPS First XV in the back row from Grade 11 - considerably harder to do that in the GPS Comp

Good solid forwards , Country Strong , up this way ( duh ) with Hamish Muller likely an U16 starter at lock or 6 in TGS's First XV this year


Met East ( projected 3rd to 4th to 5th )

In short , too many ball runners and not enough on ballers

They'll have muscle and power via BSHS's Linston Tuimavave and Alapati Soaolo upfront ( although I am sure there will be a temptation to run one of these guys at 8 ) , a work horse with good size in SLC's Angus Sawtell at the 2 and some muscle coming through in the age group below as well . Villa's Lucas Boylan gives a solid set piece target in the lineouts - but outside of Churchie's Aidan King there really isn't a lot of attack on the ball . The BSHS's guys are more run first types and tackle defenders . Wian Joubert - another convert from #12 to the #6-#8 spot this season will give some snap and crackle with BSHS's Kai Johnstone adding the pop. Undoubted quality in the forwards but depth , and quality of depth , is a major question mark

BSHS's Moses Jones is a steady game organiser at #10 but Met East just may have the best centre pairing in BSHS's Sam Silli and Grant Tuisamoa ( if he plays 13 instead of 15 ) and Churchie's Toby Cubby also will be in the mix here

Villa's Robert Agnew should fly the AIC flag on a wing . Again - depth might end up being the issue

Met North ( projected 3rd to 4th )

Nudgee will have the game winners here with #10/#12 Reesjan Pasitota back as an 18 year old . They have a couple of guys in the back 3 that are capable of turning a game as finishers in Tresman Banjo and Athan Waia and Terrace's Glenn Vahiua will be back as an 18 year old - projects as a helluva back 3 . More depth with Mayson Hill also turning 18 and already turning heads early in his first year at Terrace . More support in the outside backs with Glen's younger brother David who figures to be a leading light in the 15's this year and Pat Elekana expected to win a wing spot as an U16 year old on Terrace's First XV this year (who project as a Top 3 GPS Team )

Met North will have some honest toilers upfront with MCA's Lachie McKarzel , Grammar's James Pearce and Lachie Pheely - but they will be spearheaded by Terrace's Emerson Treasure who figures to be the top ranked #1 in the age group . Padua's Jaiden Walker might be an interesting continuing project in the front row stocks , a giant of a lad that would balance Emerson Treasure out fairly well. Locks are a question mark , and frankly , a weakness in how Met North project , however SPC's Taelyn Nukunuku will be around ( probably sees himself more as an 8 ) and the versatile Angus Mackey from Nudgee College could also be in the mix here . Charlie Hayes also from Nudgee could be the one that no one sees coming but needs to come through in top company . Terrace have a couple of projects that will likely remain that way in these spots . In the loose forwards nothing much will have changed from U12's with Terrace's Charlie Condon leading the way and MCA's Lachie Howse his usual consistent self . Nudgee's Centre to backrow convert Titi Nofoagoata will add some starch and Nudgee's Ronin Nutley will keep everyone honest . Nudgee's Johna Luka will be a quality floating utility that also could provide another big Prop option to balance out with Terrace's Emerson Treasure



They probably have the wood on Met East - but not enough class to take down South Coast or Met West

SOUTH COAST AND MET WEST - ( 1st to 2nd )

It's probably not really worthwhile to cover off on these 2 in much detail seeing as though there are no AIC Schools on the South Coast and South Coast is pretty much going to have circa 12 returning players from TSS's First and Seconds this year ( both teams figuring to be premiership winners ) + 2 to 3 from their 16A's this year and likely 2 or 3 ( Michael Van Der Schyff - being prominent as maybe the best lock in the age group )and from their U15 Team this year ( Jojo Fijita and Syrus Smith figuring to be prominent )

In terms of Met West - the best #9 and best #10 in the age group are at IGS , the best #13 and #15 are at BBC and you'll have at least 3 guys in the back 3 that are 10.7 to 10.9 over 100m. In terms of the forward pack - I'd expect SPLC's Max Hurwood will be in the back row frame and IGS's will add depth to 5 x returning starters in the BBC Forward Pack ( BBC figuring to be a Top 3 team this year ) and a further 5 x key reserves this year - 2nd players - all 18 next year at 1/2, 6/8, 7/2 and then 2 x U16's players across the locks and loose fowards

This is where the concept is flawed . If it is about levelling the playing field for the minorities - it's actually going to go in the opposite direction and make it that much harder for them

Gary, that is a work of art - a well written thesis on where we will be roundabouts in 2019. Best I've read. I'm actually going to read it again. I look forward to hearing the replies on the GPS thread.
 

Confucius Say

Nev Cottrell (35)
Tip this week for the final game compliment of my friend in Perpignan with the junior Wallaby.


After the shock of 3 selection in AIC and another big week of Confra League training, Iona to scrape past Laurie in 2nd half by 18+

MCA to belt Villa as if they were from Aston

Patrick 11 now competing with Steve Smith and Oceans for notoriety. Padua by 3

Eddie to take out the 6 hiding they receive to beat Peter by a point in high scoring game 9-8
 

Tbone

Sydney Middleton (9)
You're a freak GO.

Gonna have crack at that burnt sausage, have to be better than my last tips a few rounds ago, although if you saw my NRL tipping sheet you would have given that short shrift anyway.

Iona by 12
MCA by 18
Pats by 9
Peters by 21

Good luck to all boys playing this weekend in their last game (in rugby anyway) for their respective schools. Hope you all enjoy the weekend.
 

LIKEATIGER

Stan Wickham (3)
You're a freak GO.

Gonna have crack at that burnt sausage, have to be better than my last tips a few rounds ago, although if you saw my NRL tipping sheet you would have given that short shrift anyway.

Iona by 12
MCA by 18
Pats by 9
Peters by 21

Good luck to all boys playing this weekend in their last game (in rugby anyway) for their respective schools. Hope you all enjoy the weekend.


Who is this Tbone? Anyone who uses and spells the term short shrift correctly and is so well mannered is in my guess pre 1970s and probably went to Marist ?
 

Confucius Say

Nev Cottrell (35)
The NSW situation , by way of comparative example in what we may follow , has a whole bunch of flaws and outliers

Firstly, Schools are generally full with waiting lists of full fee paying families

Secondly , whilst boarding is still big business for Sydney Schools - more and more over the past few years , an increasing number of Brisbane GPS Schools are plundering the Central West , The Riverina , the Southern Tablelands , South Coast , Central Coast and North Coast , Northern Rivers . It's not really making a dent in numbers of boys attending NSW Boarding Schools - but Brisbane GPS Schools are doing a better job of cherry picking the best NSW Country talent and they ending up in a few different Brisbane GPS Schools . No more is TSS the sole Brisbane GPS player from these catchments . And it's happening where these families were already sending their boys to boarding school anyway - but instead of paying $55K to $60K a year - they are paying , on average , about 60% to 65% of this figure - and being sold the opportunity to be playing in the best Schoolboy competition in Australia to boot ( and let's face it - they are )

Thirdly , there doesn't seem to be as hard a drive or emphasis on Rugby within the broader curriculum as to what there is within the Top 5 or 6 Brisbane GPS Schools - despite maybe some out dated and misplaced rah rah in trying to keep pace with the Northerners but the cracks are opening into a gulf due to a combination of factors - a couple of which have been referenced above

Fourthly , CAS and ISA Schools have had a long proud Rugby history and there has been wax and wane over time over what competition is the stronger , or at least , which competition's best 2 or 3 teams are better than the other competition's best 2 or 3 teams . It's no big thing for a CAS or ISA School to beat a GPS School , whereas , if it happened here in QLD - generally speaking and in the main , hell would have had to have frozen over

So this is all wonderful that down in NSW there seems to be a more balanced distribution of talent and ability

It doesn't change my view that at least for the next 3 years and possibly out to a 5 year window - taking into account trends at junior rep carnivals and school recruitment truths , and possibly , affirmative action drivers in making Rugby more accessible ( see how that has been working for the South Africans ) NSW Schools will be weaker , and by quite a bit , compared to how the dynamics have been set up ( pretty much in accidental osmosis ) in QLD Schools over the last 5 to 10 years ( but the last 5 especially )

The biggest and most significant change in the last 5 years has been the heavier focus on recruitment between 12 to 14 years of age . That never used to happen - at least to the degree it has in the last 5 years . What this means is that clusters of talent is being consolidated earlier , which in turn , is increasing the rate and degree of competition and development . As much as no one wants to admit it - it matters - and has been , and will continue to be , a game changer

Meanwhile , at the Schoolboys level , the huff and puff will continue about administrative efficiencies that will never come . And even if an Inter-Association competition did come - what real incentive is there for Brisbane GPS Schools to do it ? None I'd expect . And it would be complete shit for the AIC Schools too - where is the benefit of them turning up and getting horsewhipped by 50+ every week ( except for the Top 2 AIC Teams playing the bottom 2 GPS Teams ) If Headmasters and Heads of Curriculum at both GPS and AIC Schools had the stones to extend Rugby across Term 2 and 3 - the GPS Schools would be best off just running a home and away series against each other and the AIC would be best off doing the same

Politics aside at the selection tables - for the primary reasons outlined above - I see NSW Schools getting thumped over at least a 3 to 5 window by QLD Schools

Look like the met structure will save embrassmet
 

SOSJBW

Peter Burge (5)
GO, I'd also add another SPC kid into that Met North team, O'Regan #9. Also, Harry Vella will be returning next year so he's a shoo-in.
 

Bledisloe

Herbert Moran (7)
Half time at banyo st pats 24-7 Padua
Padua have a serious case of drop ball....almost every time they are in attack they knock on.
Story of their season really.
 

xxxx

Larry Dwyer (12)
Black and White dominated the Black and Gold at runcorn across the the grades and code
 

Echidna

Ward Prentice (10)
MCA won.
I was told 27-10, but that cld of been 20-10.
Villa scored 2 intercept tries apparently. Good for inflating the stats.
Villa had some very quick outside backs but they lack size. Totally outplayed in the 1XV. Big gap between the 3 way premiers and rest of AIC unfortunately.
 

Galloper

Darby Loudon (17)
Just heard on the wire Villa had 3 reps for AIC
#3 Tyreece Felu
#8 James Livingstone
#11 Joshua Jacobson (scored 5 tries against Padua)

Seems reasonable that these boys made it but don’t know whether they are preferred starters or part of the wider squad

VIk, after watching these guys play v MCA yesterday only politics would get any of them a start in the AIC match day squad of 23.

MCA's No.8 Ben Byrne was easily the best player on the field yesterday, their 3 Blake Roszka was probably next and Jacobson's opponent, Kale Van Dugteren, had a fantastic game as well.

I'm assuming that Byrne will miss the AIC squad, but whilst he's on the small side for an 8 he's an excellent footballer and I'd expect him to be playing First Grade at GPS with his brother Dan within a few years.

MCA's 1 John Downes went off very early yesterday with an injury and only came back on for the last 5 minutes, but I'd expect that he and Roszka will be the starting props for AIC,forming a very strong front row with the hooker from Iona.

KVD will also be unlucky if he misses out on an AIC jumper this year after starting on the right wing last year for AIC, he lacks a bit of pace but very strong and aggressive, he's had a great two years for the MCA First XV.

Anyway, congratulations to the three joint premiers for 2018, especially to SPC on their first-ever premiership in TAS/AIC.
 
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