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Anyone gots training and diet programs

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TOCC

Guest
On the topic of "all american" diets - I've found the best way to trim down is high-intensity interval training. I used to go for 30-60 minute runs which did very little for functional, rugby fitness and just ate away at any muscle mass. I've started doing a lot of ergs - 300m in a minute, 1 minute rest x 10...absolutely knackering and melts the fat off.

this is the sort of training im very supportive of, my whole training regime is effectively built around high-intensity training, whether that be weight lifting or cardio

even when i do squats, bench, dips or snatch, i will construct it around a high intensity circuit, i still get the muscular development benefits whilst also getting a fantastic fat burn and cardio workout. Obviously if i reduced the intensity i could get bigger gains in weight lifting and bulk, but as i said earlier, this isnt my training aim, lean muscle is my goal.
 

Dunnman

Banned
settle down buddy, my response was directly in response Jason's 'all american' diet.... ive lived in america and seen the grease, salt and cholesterol which goes into that food.

I won't settle down because your response borders on ignorance.

Have a look at Micheal Phelps' diet when he was training for the Olympics. He would have an enormous feed of McDonalds for breakfast and throughout the day he would continue with high fat and calorie dense foods.

When in intense training the equation in your mind for diet should be calories in vs calories out. You need fuel for the machine. What gives you the most energy... Fats. Trans atlantic rowers would eat huge amounts of chocolate on their journey to keep them going.
 
T

TOCC

Guest
I won't settle down because your response borders on ignorance.



Have a look at Micheal Phelps' diet when he was training for the Olympics. He would have an enormous feed of McDonalds for breakfast and throughout the day he would continue with high fat and calorie dense foods.

When in intense training the equation in your mind for diet should be calories in vs calories out. You need fuel for the machine. What gives you the most energy... Fats. Trans atlantic rowers would eat huge amounts of chocolate on their journey to keep them going.

Please don't get upset, im just explaining the facts to you.

Michael Phelps doesnt feast on McDonalds for breakfast daily as you suggest, i have read up on his diet in the past for pure amusement, every single meal he consumes is designed on carb loading to fuel his energy requirements. Eggs, white bread, pasta and pizza is the fundamental basis of his diet.

This conception of Phelps and his McDonalds diet is fueled by the fact that he is actually employed as a McDonalds spokesmen, hence why after his Olympic races he stated openly to the media he was now going to grab a feed of mcdonalds.

Michael Phelps also smokes marijuana, is he really the type of person you want to be using as your case study when trying to argue health benefits?
 

Dunnman

Banned
Please don't get upset, im just explaining the facts to you.

Michael Phelps doesnt feast on McDonalds for breakfast daily as you suggest, i have read up on his diet in the past for pure amusement, every single meal he consumes is designed on carb loading to fuel his energy requirements. Eggs, white bread, pasta and pizza is the fundamental basis of his diet.

This conception of Phelps and his McDonalds diet is fueled by the fact that he is actually employed as a McDonalds spokesmen, hence why after his Olympic races he stated openly to the media he was now going to grab a feed of mcdonalds.

Michael Phelps also smokes marijuana, is he really the type of person you want to be using as your case study when trying to argue health benefits?

You're saying an Olympic champion who completely dominated his sport is not worth being the subject of a diet case study because he had a puff of marijuana after he had won several gold medals? oh brother.

And read my post again.... I said he had McDonalds for breakfast... I said nothing of the sort that he was on a Mcdonalds diet.

In your reply you list pizza as something he would eat daily. Is that not an unhealthy American fat people food that you said was dangerous to eat?? Your arguement is flawed. You contradict yourself every post you make. Thus, you have no credibility left.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
On the topic of "all american" diets - I've found the best way to trim down is high-intensity interval training. I used to go for 30-60 minute runs which did very little for functional, rugby fitness and just ate away at any muscle mass. I've started doing a lot of ergs - 300m in a minute, 1 minute rest x 10...absolutely knackering and melts the fat off.

I would concur with that. Since I started training again, I've gone back to the lessons from my old athletics coach in my youth: quality over quantity. Every exercise to be done in short sharp bursts, but giving as much as you can each time. The bloke who I train with these days agrees with that philosophy and we train rarely much more than an hour at a time, but it's full on for that hour. It's the same with the bike. When I ride to work, it's not at a leisurely pace, I'm going as quick as my body and the bike will carry me.

As a result, I'm looking and feeling in better shape than I have in over 10 years.
 
T

TOCC

Guest
You're saying an Olympic champion who completely dominated his sport is not worth being the subject of a diet case study because he had a puff of marijuana after he had won several gold medals? oh brother.

And read my post again.... I said he had McDonalds for breakfast... I said nothing of the sort that he was on a Mcdonalds diet.

In your reply you list pizza as something he would eat daily. Is that not an unhealthy American fat people food that you said was dangerous to eat?? Your arguement is flawed. You contradict yourself every post you make. Thus, you have no credibility left.

Dunman please calm down, there is no need to be as rude as you are being. The subject of Phelps smoking marijunana is rather pertinent when it comes to examining someones lifestyle, quite understandably he failed to disclose his habit of recreational drugs when he has spoken about his lifestyle and diet in the past, which has to beg the question, how much further information is he holding back or falsifying based on other motives.. such as improving his sponsorship repertoire

As for the McDonalds, i think you have confused yourself, i merely repeated your comment about Phelps having McDonald's for breakfast whilst training for the Olympics(ie eating mcdonalds daily for breakfast)..

In regards to pizza, there are definitely healthy variants of pizza out there for those people wanting to carb load without all the extra fats and oils, having lived in the US 7 months i think i speak from more experience then most when i say that the 'all American fatty diet' definitely doesn't include the healthier variants of pizza.

Once again Dunman, im more then willing to discuss these topics with you, but please keep things sensible, there is no need for silly name calling or questioning another's credibilty.
 

cyclopath

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Staff member
I would concur with that. Since I started training again, I've gone back to the lessons from my old athletics coach in my youth: quality over quantity. Every exercise to be done in short sharp bursts, but giving as much as you can each time. The bloke who I train with these days agrees with that philosophy and we train rarely much more than an hour at a time, but it's full on for that hour. It's the same with the bike. When I ride to work, it's not at a leisurely pace, I'm going as quick as my body and the bike will carry me.

As a result, I'm looking and feeling in better shape than I have in over 10 years.

Agree completely, TBH. Little things make a difference. I mentioned before I used to do a cardio then weights session (not heavy stuff, more moderate weights with higher reps) and got fitter, but couldn't shift weight. Then changed to weights first and the changes were dramatic. My cardio stuff is more interval based than endurance. Similarly, a few years back I used to race my bike in a Saturday arvo criterium style club race, usually about 30-36km. A lot of the guys I raced did 200km + a week, I usually had time for 2 or 3 rides of about 30km a week, but I did them as interval training with 1-1.5km sprints per 4km of a loop. My race times dropped markedly in a few months and I was beating a lot of guys I couldn't touch originally. Pissed a few off too, as they knew I only rode 2-3 times a week, so was not regarded as "serious" by the harder core blokes.
 

WorkingClassRugger

Simon Poidevin (60)
I'll keep an eye out for it. Probably be next month's edition I'd imagine.

Have the most recent edition of Men's Fitness Magazine, page 114. Titled 'Get with the program'(article about Sydney Uni Rugby). Our very own Bruce Ross is quoted with his 'physical imposition Rugby' thoughts. Tim Leahy is the other Uni bloke, so if any of you are him, nice work guys.
 

WorkingClassRugger

Simon Poidevin (60)
There's a section about Bruce's creation the Scrumtruk know renamed the Myotruk. I've seen them before but its certainly interesting to read a little about it's designer.
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Good to hear that the articles out, I'll have to go pick up a copy. My mate Alex wrote the it with me having to take the photos as hes in Mexico, thought it ended up pretty good considering.
 

WorkingClassRugger

Simon Poidevin (60)
Good to hear that the articles out, I'll have to go pick up a copy. My mate Alex wrote the it with me having to take the photos as hes in Mexico, thought it ended up pretty good considering.

Yeah, wasn't to bad,quite interesting actually. Did you take all the photos or just the ones of Bruce, Carter and Leahy?
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Yeah the idea kind of came from here, I reckon it's good that this kind of rugby stuff is out there gettting a wider exposure than usual, no matter what the angle on it.

As for the photos I just took the ones in the gym. Wish I had the set-up and skills to have taken the others which I assume they just got from one of the sports databases.
 
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This doco was sad as shit. Doing mental crap like squatting 800 lbs has seen his spine do the Surfside Pancake Collapso.

10 back surgeries and counting. Needs crutches to walk. Legs are numb. His most recent back surgery, there was so much scar tissue on his back that they had to go in through the front. Yes, pull out all his intestines on the operating table just to get to his goddamn back.

Still, seems like he doesnt regret a thing. A very modest bloke. And, idiotically, against his doc's advice, he is still training. The screws in his back falling apart and cracking his bones, agonishing pain, addicted to oxy, and he's still goddamn training. Someone should do an intervention ffs. Plus he's got two tiny daughters. Bugger that for a laugh. In his mid 50's, can't walk, now he has to try keeping up with those nonstop little energiser bunnies.

Was so odd seeing pics of him as a young man though. Completely normal dimensions.

NO mention of steroids in the whole doco. "Yeah, he went from 9th in Mr Olympia one year to 1st place the next year". O RLY.

Wouldve been mental to see him prop up a scrum. He didnt exactly skip leg day. 2,300 lbs on the leg press. 8 reps. That's a motherfucking tonne. 1 goddamn tonne! 8 reps. That's an entire forward pack of huge, huge rugby players, right through his goddamn legs.
 

Teh Other Dave

Alan Cameron (40)
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This doco was sad as shit. Doing mental crap like squatting 800 lbs has seen his spine do the Surfside Pancake Collapso.

10 back surgeries and counting. Needs crutches to walk. Legs are numb. His most recent back surgery, there was so much scar tissue on his back that they had to go in through the front. Yes, pull out all his intestines on the operating table just to get to his goddamn back.

Still, seems like he doesnt regret a thing. A very modest bloke. And, idiotically, against his doc's advice, he is still training. The screws in his back falling apart and cracking his bones, agonishing pain, addicted to oxy, and he's still goddamn training. Someone should do an intervention ffs. Plus he's got two tiny daughters. Bugger that for a laugh. In his mid 50's, can't walk, now he has to try keeping up with those nonstop little energiser bunnies.

Was so odd seeing pics of him as a young man though. Completely normal dimensions.

NO mention of steroids in the whole doco. "Yeah, he went from 9th in Mr Olympia one year to 1st place the next year". O RLY.

Wouldve been mental to see him prop up a scrum. He didnt exactly skip leg day. 2,300 lbs on the leg press. 8 reps. That's a motherfucking tonne. 1 goddamn tonne! 8 reps. That's an entire forward pack of huge, huge rugby players, right through his goddamn legs.

Half his problem was probably the back surgery.
 
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