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Jim Lenehan (48)
Yeah - that’s what the dead people from vaccinations have. Hurt feelings.
Look, for people unsure and in need of comfort and reassurance I have all the time and empathy in the world. I want them to join the team and experience the relief at having their chances of death or serious illness drastically reduced by vaccine brings. I want their friends and family members to feel the relief that a loved one is both safer and less of a risk to their own health. It's a good feeling.

But for the grifters, trippers, kooks and conspiracists pushing their doubts into reactionary fear, they can get in the bin.

I have little sympathy for people who will find themselves at the back of the queue by virtue of remaining unvaccinated by choice. The rest of us are balancing the responsibility/reward equation.
 

Braveheart81

James Horwill (77)
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There have been people who have died from taking the vaccine. Not a huge number but it seems if you die from taking the vaccine, that is just a casualty we have to accept.

The disregard and the contempt shown for those people by stupid mocking like this is as bad as a lot of the anti-vaxxer shit you see online.
People die not too irregularly from taking all sorts of prescription and over the counter medication.

Almost always, not taking the medication is far more likely to lead to poorer health or death than taking it.
 

Derpus

Rod McCall (65)
There have been people who have died from taking the vaccine. Not a huge number but it seems if you die from taking the vaccine, that is just a casualty we have to accept.

The disregard and the contempt shown for those people by stupid mocking like this is as bad as a lot of the anti-vaxxer shit you see online.
How on earth does mocking anti-vaxxers show disregard or contempt for those that are unfortunate casualties of a shit situation?

What absolute nonsense. You sir, make shit up.
 

Derpus

Rod McCall (65)
People die not too irregularly from taking all sorts of prescription and over the counter medication.

Almost always, not taking the medication is far more likely to lead to poorer health or death than taking it.
Yeah - no one seems to have an issue with the expectation we put on women to take the pill for contraceptive purposes, which carries a higher risk than the vaccine.
 

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Jason Little (69)
Didn't watch the vid but saw a thumbnail on YouTube featuring a t-shirt with a "no vax" symbol & the wording "over my dead body". The very definition of ironic, I thought.

Edit: found the vid. Worth a view imo.

 
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tragic

Arch Winning (36)
I'm sure there are plenty of people who would prefer to take their chances with Covid rather than get a vaccination on a 6monthly or yearly basis
Why?
The booster is identical to the first shots atm. (Might change to cover variants but not currently)
So if you got the first why not stick with it?
Otherwise why bother in the first place?
Don’t understand the logic there.
 

fatprop

Jason Little (69)
Staff member
Why?
The booster is identical to the first shots atm. (Might change to cover variants but not currently)
So if you got the first why not stick with it?
Otherwise why bother in the first place?
Don’t understand the logic there.
The FDA doesn't even think they are of value except for the older, at-risk only

 

Bullrush

John Thornett (49)
Why?
The booster is identical to the first shots atm. (Might change to cover variants but not currently)
So if you got the first why not stick with it?
Otherwise why bother in the first place?
Don’t understand the logic there.
No one said that when we got the first 2 shots that we would have to get it repeatedly.

Many would prefer to take their chances with a virus that has a less than a 2% chance of killing them.
 

tragic

Arch Winning (36)
No one said that when we got the first 2 shots that we would have to get it repeatedly.

Many would prefer to take their chances with a virus that has a less than a 2% chance of killing them.
Over a vaccine that has a 0.0001% chance of killing them? And put their grandparents, work colleagues with medical conditions, hospital staff, the immunocomprimised, the allergic unvaccinated all at increased risk who collectively have a much greater chance of dying that 2%.
Selfish,self centred, and self important.
 

Bullrush

John Thornett (49)
Over a vaccine that has a 0.0001% chance of killing them? And put their grandparents, work colleagues with medical conditions, hospital staff, the immunocomprimised, the allergic unvaccinated all at increased risk who collectively have a much greater chance of dying that 2%.
Selfish,self centred, and self important.
Apart from the allergic unvaccinated, how are any of those people at risk if they are vaccinated?
 

Derpus

Rod McCall (65)
No one said that when we got the first 2 shots that we would have to get it repeatedly.

Many would prefer to take their chances with a virus that has a less than a 2% chance of killing them.
But the risk of dying from the vaccine is just so much lower and that's a consideration of death, only. The potential side effects from the vaccine are transitory where as the virus can cause all sorts of short and long term damage. It makes literally no sense - not to mention it undermines the collective effort required to combat the virus.

Im sorry, but indulging people's paranoia is not acceptable when it has the potential to impact all of us.
 

Derpus

Rod McCall (65)
Apart from the allergic unvaccinated, how are any of those people at risk if they are vaccinated?
This has already been explained in this thread. Either you are willfully ignoring the perfectly rational explanations provided or you are just too dumb to understand.
 
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Arch Winning (36)
Apart from the allergic unvaccinated, how are any of those people at risk if they are vaccinated?
Because the vaccine is not 100% effective and the elderly/immunocompromised/ those with multiple medical issues still die at higher rates. And unless enough people are fully vaccinated there is a big enough reservoir for the virus to continue to circulate and infect people in those categories.
 

Pfitzy

David Wilson (68)
Do the pharmaceutical companies get paid for the vaccines being produced and used?

Yes.

Companies exist to make profit. Big Pharma in the US has done it occasionally in a way considered unethical, but that is more a result of their bloated, misdirected health system and political influence than any inherent evil.

People in jobs take home an income because companies make profit. And they use it to drive an economy - which in Australia is largely stagnating because we're locked down.

My work place pays for the flu shot every year, because they recognise that it is far more cost effective for me to be at work or home with a sniffle instead of laid out for 2 weeks not contributing (as happened a few years back).

Simple economics.
 

Pfitzy

David Wilson (68)
One group distributes misinformation that materially affects individual and population health, the other hurts their feelings.

I'm often amazed how many of those anti-mask freedom warriors turn into completely whiny snowflakes when they're told to do something they don't agree with based on zero evidence.

It isn't just health issues, either.

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