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George Gregan (70)
Why would Merck tell people not to use their product to treat Covid, then go to the trouble & expense of developing an oral treatment when they already held the patents for one?

Exactly. The profits were already there. Just sit back and watch them roll in!

I can't believe these things are still being mentioned despite pages and pages of discrediting.
 

dru

Tim Horan (67)
Chuds: "I'm not taking that vaccine as there hasn't been enough time to see if it is effective, or there are harmful side effects. Not enough data!"

Also chuds: "Horse dewormer definitely works based on 5 doctors and a fat, failed, ex-furniture salesman saying so."

This exactly is the discombobulation that I don't follow. Complete counter in the narrative to itself. The only conclusion can be that the cohort behind it simply are not interested in the consistency of argument let alone accuracy of data, just as long as it disagrees with the rest of the world.
 

dru

Tim Horan (67)
On a much more positive note, Norman Swan (yeah I know, one bloke, not a scientist etc, but still a better than average reporter through our media systems on the pandemic) is saying that it looks like:
1. We are past "peak omicron" (my term not his). Deaths will continue as they lag infection, but we have broken through.
2. Make sure you've had the booster.
3. Given you are a sensible person and have done so, get out back into life and enjoy it. Mask, social distance, hand wash etc - but the post-COVID norm is here. Get into it.










Caveat: sooner or later there will be another variant and things will need to be re-visited.
 

waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
This exactly is the discombobulation that I don't follow. Complete counter in the narrative to itself. The only conclusion can be that the cohort behind it simply are not interested in the consistency of argument let alone accuracy of data, just as long as it disagrees with the rest of the world.

Contradictory beliefs are a trait of conspiratorial thinking. As is immunity to evidence.
 

Lindommer

Steve Williams (59)
Staff member
Dr. Peter McCullough
Dr Robert Malone
Professor Thomas Borody
El Salvador issues medical kits including Ivermectin.
Ivermectin for Prevention and treatment of COVID-19 Infection: a systematic review, meta analysis, and trial sequential analysis. American Journal of Therapeutics. (Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin)
"Indonesia's food and drug agency has authorised ivermectin for emergency use against Covid-19" (Straits Times)
Observational study on 255 mechanically ventilated covid patients at the beginning of the USA pandemic - Causal modeling establishes that weight-adjusted HCQ and AZM therapy improves survival by over 100%

The arguments for and against the use of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are many and varied.
Therefore doctors and their patients must be allowed to make their own decisions, not one government rule for all.

from Wikipedia:

Robert Wallace Malone (born 1959) is an American virologist and immunologist. His work has focused on mRNA technology, of which he was a pioneer, pharmaceuticals, and drug repurposing research. During the COVID-19 pandemic, based on his knowledge of mRNA techniques, Dr. Malone has promoted information about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines at odds with the line the government and other doctors have promoted.

Peter Andrew McCullough (/məˈkʌlə/;[1] born December 29, 1962) is an American cardiologist.[2] He was vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and a professor at Texas A&M University.[3] During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough promoted misinformation about COVID-19, the COVID-19 vaccine, and COVID-19 treatments.[4][5][6]

Professor Thomas J Borody FRSN is an Australian gastroenterologist. In the 1980s Borody developed what became the standard treatment for peptic ulcer treatment; during the COVID-19 pandemic he became embroiled in controversy for advocating an ivermectin-based purported "cure" for COVID-19 without transparently declaring his financial interest in it.[1][2]

They're just snippets of the critical entries on these three charlatans. It'd be wise to be VERY suspicious of anything these clowns recommend; in fact ignoring them would be the best course.

I've been following the medical media closely on coronavirus since mid-2000, I can't find a reputable study which supports the use of ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine in treating the illness.
 
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waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
^ it was Malone's appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast that prompted Neil Young (& now Joni Mitchell) to quit Spotify. As of Friday US time Spotify had shed 12% of its capitalisation & subscribers are reportedly leaving in droves.


Most worrying of all, James Blunt has tweeted that if Spotify doesn't dump Rogan he'll drop some new tracks on it...
 

WorkingClassRugger

David Codey (61)
from Wikipedia:

Robert Wallace Malone (born 1959) is an American virologist and immunologist. His work has focused on mRNA technology, of which he was a pioneer, pharmaceuticals, and drug repurposing research. During the COVID-19 pandemic, based on his knowledge of mRNA techniques, Dr. Malone has promoted information about the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines at odds with the line the government and other doctors have promoted.

Peter Andrew McCullough (/məˈkʌlə/;[1] born December 29, 1962) is an American cardiologist.[2] He was vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center and a professor at Texas A&M University.[3] During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough promoted misinformation about COVID-19, the COVID-19 vaccine, and COVID-19 treatments.[4][5][6]

Professor Thomas J Borody FRSN is an Australian gastroenterologist. In the 1980s Borody developed what became the standard treatment for peptic ulcer treatment; during the COVID-19 pandemic he became embroiled in controversy for advocating an ivermectin-based purported "cure" for COVID-19 without transparently declaring his financial interest in it.[1][2]

They're just snippets of the critical entries on these three charlatans. It'd be wise to be VERY suspicious of anything these clowns recommend; in fact ignoring them would be the wisest course.

I've been following the medical media closely on coronavirus since mid-2000, I can't find a reputable study which which supports the use of ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine in treating the illness.

Interesting fact about Robert Malone. He's vaccinated. He did so after he caught Covid himself and was suffering from long-Covid. He took the vaccine assuming it would cure his symptoms. Surprise, surprise vaccines aren't cures and don't work that way. Which you'd expect someone with his background would know. He's also quite shitty about in his perspective being cut out of the credit (despite his early work being cited in studies on the Pfizer vaccine) and financial windfall.

So basically, his entire stance is based on his stupidity and not getting the $ he believes he deserves. He actually claims he invented the vaccines which is a falsehood. He contributed to the early pioneering of the technology but left to take up a role in the pharma sector. Total twat.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
On a much more positive note, Norman Swan (yeah I know, one bloke, not a scientist etc, but still a better than average reporter through our media systems on the pandemic) is saying that it looks like:
1. We are past "peak omicron" (my term not his). Deaths will continue as they lag infection, but we have broken through.
2. Make sure you've had the booster.
3. Given you are a sensible person and have done so, get out back into life and enjoy it. Mask, social distance, hand wash etc - but the post-COVID norm is here. Get into it.










Caveat: sooner or later there will be another variant and things will need to be re-visited.

A bit of an about face from him! I can recall him saying early on that the sky was falling in. To be fair, the early days didn't look that flash though.
 
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The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
^ it was Malone's appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast that prompted Neil Young (& now Joni Mitchell) to quit Spotify. As of Friday US time Spotify had shed 12% of its capitalisation & subscribers are reportedly leaving in droves.


Most worrying of all, James Blunt has tweeted that if Spotify doesn't dump Rogan he'll drop some new tracks on it...

That;s a threat that must be taken seriously.

His Twitter game is pretty good.
 

Kenny Powers

Ron Walden (29)
Therefore doctors and their patients must be allowed to make their own decisions, not one government rule for all.

One thing that will always stick in my mind from sitting in a specialists appointment for a quiet serious condition for my wife was his coffee mug that said “Don’t confuse Google with my Medical Degree”. Liked the guy good conversation around peoples perception be it from celebrities or google vs medical opinion and how some people come to see him with their mind already made up. He was happy to discuss what you may have research on Google or Celebrities had written about just found patients who had already made their minds up frustrating.

Whilst you might not agree with FF (Folau Fainga'a) he has always had the rider discuss it with your Doctor.

This forum is a mirror of Google and I wouldn’t be taking medical advice from anyone on this forum without discussing with a practicing Doctor in a personal consultation.
 

waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
^ very much so but far from the only one. There have been documented cases of midwives & weight-loss whatever you call them dishing out bogus vaccine exemption certificates & coaching the recipients on what bullshit to come out with if anyone questions it. Police seem reluctant to prosecute which is weird, seems like pretty clear-cut fraud to me.
 
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
One thing that will always stick in my mind from sitting in a specialists appointment for a quiet serious condition for my wife was his coffee mug that said “Don’t confuse Google with my Medical Degree”. Liked the guy good conversation around peoples perception be it from celebrities or google vs medical opinion and how some people come to see him with their mind already made up. He was happy to discuss what you may have research on Google or Celebrities had written about just found patients who had already made their minds up frustrating.

Whilst you might not agree with FF (Folau Fainga'a) he has always had the rider discuss it with your Doctor.

This forum is a mirror of Google and I wouldn’t be taking medical advice from anyone on this forum without discussing with a practicing Doctor in a personal consultation.

Yes, drink bleach… in consultation with your doctor.

But it seems like maybe you didn’t get the mug’s message?

Let’s be honest here - FF (Folau Fainga'a)’s views on this topic, and the very few posters who are sympathetic to them, is completely politically motivated… there’s no scientific reasoning whatsoever.
 
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The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
^ very much so but far from the only one. There have been documented cases of midwives & weight-loss whatever you call them dishing out bogus vaccine exemption certificates & coaching the recipients on what bullshit to come out with if anyone questions it. Police seem reluctant to prosecute which is weird, seems like pretty clear-cut fraud to me.

There was a case like that in WA and it went to court, but I believe the charges were dropped.
 
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