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waiopehu oldboy

Phil Waugh (73)
In-laws have both tested positive so as household contacts wifey & I have to isolate for 10 days if we test negative this & next Tuesday, or longer if we test positive on either day. If wifey, who's pretty much her mother's primary care-giver, tests positive my 10 days re-starts.
 

Dismal Pillock

Steve Williams (59)
In-laws have both tested positive so as household contacts wifey & I have to isolate for 10 days if we test negative this & next Tuesday, or longer if we test positive on either day. If wifey, who's pretty much her mother's primary care-giver, tests positive my 10 days re-starts.
My triple-vaxxed arse just got off a 10 day shut-in jag with UNVAXXED anaphlactic Camp Leader after she, of course, tested positive. I should get the Nobel Motherfucking Peace Prize for not drowning the mad slag in the bathtub.

Incredible effort by me.

I was like Gandhi spliced with Kofi Annan on stilts.

She threw everything at me. Googlies, yorkers, reverse mahatma chunderers, the whole barrage. A placid roll of the wrists saw all her best barbs neutralised, becalmed, and last seen petering out down by deep backward square.

My advice: find a "nest" in your place well, well, WELL away from the woman and only venture out from there for sortees to the fridge.

Godspeed The Vortex, young man.
 

zer0

Ken Catchpole (46)
Three people at work have been confirmed cases over the last week or so, all while working from home.

Me, an intellectual, taking two busses across ~15km of the World War Z Auckland hell scape to get to work every day since the stupid IT people made working from home moderately inconvenient:

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Dismal Pillock

Steve Williams (59)
Three people at work have been confirmed cases over the last week or so, all while working from home.
Working from home is such a mental grift. "Oh yeah hard at work here" meanwhile I'm flat on my back on the rug, laptop propped up on my chest, nursing an ice cold beverage just off camera, surfing bloody discogs off the other browser, while downloading another terabyte of granny tranny grot off yet another browser, and still to all the world look like I'm "working from home".

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Dismal Pillock

Steve Williams (59)
In-laws have both tested positive so as household contacts wifey & I have to isolate for 10 days if we test negative this & next Tuesday, or longer if we test positive on either day. If wifey, who's pretty much her mother's primary care-giver, tests positive my 10 days re-starts.
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GAGR members flee in terror as the tide goes out signaling the tsunami of W.Oldboy spending 24 hours a day on GAGR for 10 consecutive days.
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
In-laws have both tested positive so as household contacts wifey & I have to isolate for 10 days if we test negative this & next Tuesday, or longer if we test positive on either day. If wifey, who's pretty much her mother's primary care-giver, tests positive my 10 days re-starts.
Hope all are free of severe symptoms.
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
So, FF (Folau Fainga'a), clarify for me - what restrictions would you have enforced for COVID, if you were the Premier or PM? None at all?
An interesting perspective that you've taken, that restrictions are the key focus of governmental reaction to covid.
A better approach would have been, after they realised they were wrong 3 months into the restriction avalanche, to run a series of positive actions to minimise the effects of covid. Such as:
* clear, unambiguous, honest data sharing with the people.
* providing covid-avoidance advice
* allowing doctors to use off-label prescriptions as treatment.
* focus of health care on the vulnerable i.e. the elderly with comorbidities
* letting normal life to proceed.

The one and only restriction I'd advocate would be the refusal to allow people with covid to enter Australia.
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
Speaking of restrictions - I see that South Australia has removed some this week;
Vaccine mandates have been dropped across the South Australian police force, clearing the way for officers who refused to get jabbed against COVID-19 to return to work.(Illawarra Mercury)

Of course it is mere coincidence this announcement comes just days after SA admitted they had no evidence of health advice to support their no jab no job policy.
This comes with the caveat that none of this can be true because it was spoken about by Chris Kenny on Sky (probably after dark). sarc off.
 
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waiopehu oldboy

Phil Waugh (73)
drawback-phuket-2004.jpg

GAGR members flee in terror as the tide goes out signaling the tsunami of W.Oldboy spending 24 hours a day on GAGR for 10 consecutive days.

Tsunami alert maybe a little premature: Fletcher Building played the Critical Workplace card wrt my Branch on Friday so subject to taking in a negative RAT each morning I'm OK to go to work.
 

Lindommer

Steve Williams (59)
This is what the WHO thinks of the GBD:

The World Health Organization (WHO) and numerous academic and public-health bodies have stated that the strategy is dangerous and lacks a sound scientific basis. They say that it would be challenging to shield all those who are medically vulnerable, leading to a large number of avoidable deaths among both older people and younger people with pre-existing health conditions. They warn that the long-term effects of COVID-19 are still not fully understood. Moreover, the WHO said that the herd immunity component of the proposed strategy is undermined by the unknown duration of post-infection immunity. They say the more likely outcome would be recurrent epidemics, as was the case with numerous infectious diseases before the advent of vaccination. The American Public Health Association and 13 other public-health groups in the United States warned in a joint open letter that the Great Barrington Declaration "ignores sound public health expertise" despite public health experts agreeing "better balance must be found between protecting public health and helping the economy".
 

Lindommer

Steve Williams (59)
And Fauci:

Anthony Fauci, the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and lead member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, called the declaration "ridiculous", "total nonsense" and "very dangerous", saying that it would lead to a large number of avoidable deaths. Fauci said that 30 percent of the population had underlying health conditions that made them vulnerable to the virus and that "older adults, even those who are otherwise healthy, are far more likely than young adults to become seriously ill if they get COVID-19." He added, "This idea that we have the power to protect the vulnerable is total nonsense because history has shown that that's not the case. And if you talk to anybody who has any experience in epidemiology and infectious diseases, they will tell you that that is risky, and you'll wind up with many more infections of vulnerable people, which will lead to hospitalizations and deaths. So I think that we just got to look that square in the eye and say it's nonsense." The Infectious Diseases Society of America, representing over 12,000 doctors and scientists, released a statement calling the Great Barrington Declaration's proposals "inappropriate, irresponsible and ill-informed". 14 other American public-health groups, among them the Trust for America's Health and the American Public Health Association, published an open letter in which they warned that following the recommendations of the Great Barrington Declaration would "haphazardly and unnecessarily sacrifice lives", adding that "the declaration is not a strategy, it is a political statement. It ignores sound public health expertise. It preys on a frustrated populace. Instead of selling false hope that will predictably backfire, we must focus on how to manage this pandemic in a safe, responsible, and equitable way." Europe's largest association of virologists, the Gesellschaft für Virologie [de], released a statement co-authored by Christian Drosten saying the declaration's proposals were liable to result in "a humanitarian and economic catastrophe".
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
In the face of conflicting medical opinion, why have governments chosen the side that cements more coercive power to themselves?
Surely intelligent people can look at unfiltered information and in consultation with their own doctor, decide what's best for them.
PS Where is Fauci and why has he gone missing?
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Rob42

Arch Winning (36)
An interesting perspective that you've taken, that restrictions are the key focus of governmental reaction to covid.
A better approach would have been, after they realised they were wrong 3 months into the restriction avalanche, to run a series of positive actions to minimise the effects of covid. Such as:
* clear, unambiguous, honest data sharing with the people.
* providing covid-avoidance advice
* allowing doctors to use off-label prescriptions as treatment.
* focus of health care on the vulnerable i.e. the elderly with comorbidities
* letting normal life to proceed.

The one and only restriction I'd advocate would be the refusal to allow people with covid to enter Australia.

Steve Waterson in today's Australian makes a strong comment about one of the the freedoms we have been denied:

At best we tacked an extra couple of months on to the lives of some very old people in nursing homes, then immediately cancelled whatever benefit that afforded them by turning their last weeks into a lonely, bewildering, miserable slide towards the grave, when they were forbidden to see family and friends and were attended by carers dressed like astronauts. They’re mostly dead by now, but I trust they slipped away with a message of gratitude on their lips.
I don't get how these two statements line up. If COVID had been circulating in the Australian community since Feb 2020, with no restrictions limiting its spread, the only way to limit the spread in elderly with co-morbidities would have been to lock them down - no social contact, limited interaction with carers who would have to be gowned up, etc. In other words, exactly what Steve Waterson described, but for at least 18 months until significant vaccination occurred. Sounds a whole lot crueller to me, even before considering a whole lot more deaths in that group.
 

Rob42

Arch Winning (36)
How's everyone going today? Managed to convince FF (Folau Fainga'a) to change his position yet? Nope?

Carry on, I guess.
Not really expecting to change anyone's mind - I keep getting reminded of the saying "you can't reason someone out of a position they weren't reasoned into".

But I find that if I can't explain my own position concisely and clearly, I probably don't understand it myself.
 
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waiopehu oldboy

Phil Waugh (73)
Wifey & I are officially out of isolation c/- the Gov kindly reducing the time from ten days to seven as of Friday. In-laws are now also negative but don't get the concept of the change being retro-active so they're going to do the ten regardless. Daily testing wasn't too onerous & I'm proud to say I made it all the way to Friday without setting foot in the supermarket. Wifey has been working from home since the last lockdown anyway so with me away from 7:30-5:30 we managed to get through without cabin fever.
 

waiopehu oldboy

Phil Waugh (73)
On Wednesday Gov will announce new dates for the final stages of re-opening the border. Jacinda wasn't giving much away today other than to say that the dates will definitely be brought forward. They've already started dismantling MIQ with all but four sites being prepared for a return to hotel status & ~600 police & defence personnel returning to normal duties.

Not sure how quickly things will move but there's been a steady stream of experts pointing out that a fully-vaxxed person flying in from say Aus poses almost zero risk regardless of nationality & that whereas community cases are probably in the vicinity of 50K/ day there's hardly anyone arriving at the border with it so things could move very quickly indeed.
 
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