EOYT Rules?
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Colin Windon (37)
No-one else wanted it. They WRU and the RFU asked the English and Welsh clubs to try it out in the EDF cup, and their response was, "On our swiss roll, we will". Understandably, given the wars they've had in the recent past with the clubs, they didn't push it. They asked clubs and provinces to play it in the Parker Pen, the B HEC - again, the response from all concerned, including the French and Italians, was, "Get bent."
It's worth noting here that the French clubs hate the ELVs, especially the maul and FKAGG. They never wanted them at all. The only reason that the French vote went for those two back in May was that Lapasset was both head of the FFR and the IRB, and so decided he'd simply utterly ignore everything that his union and the players in his union wanted. Quare species of democracy, that one, especially as the two French votes would have been enough to sink both. The WRU and RFU asked their players and clubs at all levels what they wanted before that vote; whatever else, they're listening and doing what their members want them to.
The real hypocrites, if you want to look for someone, is the Scots, who voted for this trial, and then refused to play it. That's iffy.
Scotty - when the rest of the world is playing one version, and it's you Anzacz who differ, it's a bit of a reach to claim that it's the rest of the world is isolated.
It's worth noting here that the French clubs hate the ELVs, especially the maul and FKAGG. They never wanted them at all. The only reason that the French vote went for those two back in May was that Lapasset was both head of the FFR and the IRB, and so decided he'd simply utterly ignore everything that his union and the players in his union wanted. Quare species of democracy, that one, especially as the two French votes would have been enough to sink both. The WRU and RFU asked their players and clubs at all levels what they wanted before that vote; whatever else, they're listening and doing what their members want them to.
The real hypocrites, if you want to look for someone, is the Scots, who voted for this trial, and then refused to play it. That's iffy.
Scotty - when the rest of the world is playing one version, and it's you Anzacz who differ, it's a bit of a reach to claim that it's the rest of the world is isolated.
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George Gregan (70)
Agree totally - but what you have completely missed with your statement above is that referees at professional level are too fucking soft. If the team is blatantly cheating there is NOTHING IN THE ELVs TO SAY THE REF CAN'T AWARD A PENALTY. Just that the ref has the option to award only free kicks if he feels it was a close call and that we will have less games decided by who can kick penalties from the furthest distance out.
And let me also say that I'd feel exactly the same if we still had a kicker of Matt Burke's calibre going around for the Wallabies.
In the national comp that ran all the ELVs here we saw situations where yellow cards were handed out - and sometimes in the first 10 minutes - for their intended purpose: professional fouls. Especially at Test level, refs are only handing out cards either when its too late or for inappropriate penalties e.g. punching or dangerous play where a red is warranted. If refs cracked down on cheats we'd have a much better game wherever the Laws are.
If the North doesn't have the FK rule and enforce it with a bit of sense and conviction, then I can easily concede that the ELVs are a waste of time, because ultimately the NH decides what happens, and they'll keep rugby at the top level a kickathon forever more. Goodness knows we need more enthralling rugby like RWC2007.
And let me also say that I'd feel exactly the same if we still had a kicker of Matt Burke's calibre going around for the Wallabies.
In the national comp that ran all the ELVs here we saw situations where yellow cards were handed out - and sometimes in the first 10 minutes - for their intended purpose: professional fouls. Especially at Test level, refs are only handing out cards either when its too late or for inappropriate penalties e.g. punching or dangerous play where a red is warranted. If refs cracked down on cheats we'd have a much better game wherever the Laws are.
If the North doesn't have the FK rule and enforce it with a bit of sense and conviction, then I can easily concede that the ELVs are a waste of time, because ultimately the NH decides what happens, and they'll keep rugby at the top level a kickathon forever more. Goodness knows we need more enthralling rugby like RWC2007.
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