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The Israel Folau saga
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Thankfully the church invented the solution of giving money to the church. Works a treat.
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John Eales (66)
Is it implied that his wife is large influence for a lot of his extremism?
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
It's great to see rugby getting good billing in the media........
Both Fairfax/Nine and Murdoch calling for Folau to be sacked:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...t/news-story/539acfd6ad54d1ef04940ac066a18886
Both Fairfax/Nine and Murdoch calling for Folau to be sacked:
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...t/news-story/539acfd6ad54d1ef04940ac066a18886
That could be the last time we see those newspapers in agreement for a while with the upcoming election.........
extremism? I think we have a different understanding of what extremism is
Dctarget
John Eales (66)
extreme religious views*
spikhaza
John Solomon (38)
Folau should be fined but it is disgraceful and outrageous that QANTAS threatens to pull sponsorship over this
People will say yeah its their right to do so and fair enough it is, but it doesn't make it right
Qantas should also be careful what it wishes for
Companies that have engaged in social activism in the United States have met grissly ends
If I was the Federal Government and QANTAS pulled sponsorship, I'd immediately respond by opening up the trans-atlantic route to whichever airline wanted to do it.
I'd also immediately open the possibility of de-monopolising all air routes in Australia
Worth noting analogous situations like this have happened - in Georgia USA lawmakers torpedoed a 40 million dollar tax break for an airline after a situation
Our National Football team deserves better than to be held hostage by QANTAS because of extemporaneous comments made by a player. Leave the discipline to us, Alan Joyce
People will say yeah its their right to do so and fair enough it is, but it doesn't make it right
Qantas should also be careful what it wishes for
Companies that have engaged in social activism in the United States have met grissly ends
If I was the Federal Government and QANTAS pulled sponsorship, I'd immediately respond by opening up the trans-atlantic route to whichever airline wanted to do it.
I'd also immediately open the possibility of de-monopolising all air routes in Australia
Worth noting analogous situations like this have happened - in Georgia USA lawmakers torpedoed a 40 million dollar tax break for an airline after a situation
Our National Football team deserves better than to be held hostage by QANTAS because of extemporaneous comments made by a player. Leave the discipline to us, Alan Joyce
dru
Tim Horan (67)
Over-reaching here, spikhaza
dru
Tim Horan (67)
See there is something that I completely agree with. Hence, I think you are over-reaching.
spikhaza
John Solomon (38)
Given activism and what's right is inherently political and subjective, absolutely not
Returning a profit to your shareholders does not mean engaging in social activism, which will only ever alienate certain segments of people. This whole thread is that case in point. It's not in QANTAS' interest to alienate customers, and I can guarantee terminating the sponsorship of Rugby AU will definitely alienate customers (I'd never fly with them again)
Profit means delivering goods and services to consumers and it's one of the greatest indictments of our age that many of our ASX200 listed companies have forgotten about this in the face of ridiculous PR industry invented fiction.
QANTAS has clearly positioned their brand and been vocal on issues such as marriage equality because they think it is good for their brand and subsequently their shareholders.
Their brand and positioning in the market has an impact on them being able to deliver profits. It's crazy to suggest otherwise.
The social media/smartphone age means that companies are under far more scrutiny because negative stories get filmed and publicised and spread like wildfire.
Companies that are significantly public facing can't avoid that. They need to position themselves.
I agree with you that terminating their sponsorship with RA would alienate some customers. It would also make some customers happy. I probably would still fly with them because sometimes it is the best option. It's absolutely not a hill I would die on.
Their brand and positioning in the market has an impact on them being able to deliver profits. It's crazy to suggest otherwise.
The social media/smartphone age means that companies are under far more scrutiny because negative stories get filmed and publicised and spread like wildfire.
Companies that are significantly public facing can't avoid that. They need to position themselves.
I agree with you that terminating their sponsorship with RA would alienate some customers. It would also make some customers happy. I probably would still fly with them because sometimes it is the best option. It's absolutely not a hill I would die on.
spikhaza
John Solomon (38)
I just cannot agree that supporting same sex marriage made people choose Qantas as an airline
I've never ever seen any friend that's gone on an overseas holiday ever choose an airline based off their social positions
In fact many of them fly with state owned airlines from countries that have abhorrent human rights records
The market evidence including focus groups suggest people fly with airlines almost entirely on price followed by service
It's worth noting if QANTAS really believes in all of this stuff as it alleges, why does it have such an astonishingly comprehensive partnership with Emirates, which is the state owned airline from a corrupt autocratic regime that is completely anti-democratic, where homosexuality is illegal and where women are treated as second class citizens.
The simple answer is QANTAS' position is morally and intellectually bankrupt
I've never ever seen any friend that's gone on an overseas holiday ever choose an airline based off their social positions
In fact many of them fly with state owned airlines from countries that have abhorrent human rights records
The market evidence including focus groups suggest people fly with airlines almost entirely on price followed by service
It's worth noting if QANTAS really believes in all of this stuff as it alleges, why does it have such an astonishingly comprehensive partnership with Emirates, which is the state owned airline from a corrupt autocratic regime that is completely anti-democratic, where homosexuality is illegal and where women are treated as second class citizens.
The simple answer is QANTAS' position is morally and intellectually bankrupt
Dctarget
John Eales (66)
Didn't you just say you'd never fly with them again if they stopped supporting the Wallabies? (because of a social position).
dru
Tim Horan (67)
Undoubtedly there are people who fly QANTAS solely because of this positioning. Nominal numbers unlikely to impact profitability but not zero. More important to QANTAS is their positioning with their staff and certainly these things impact.
I don’t like the gay agenda dumbing down to a challenge on religious freedom. People (many) will disagree, but it’s what I think happens here. And it doesn’t matter.
RA had a chance to support religious freedom, they took a half pregnant position which I doubt Folau feels he has transgressed. RA now have to act. Action needs to be contractually pusciant but they do need to act. With or without QANTAS.
My earlier comments on repercussions in the player group remain.
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