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Wallabies 2020

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John Eales (66)
But Rennie dropped Hanigan for Swinton in search of more impact, and in his interviews has praised Swintons "edge" in the first 30mins. If Swinton was avaliable I have no doubt he would be the 6.

So hard to say Rennie favours the workhorse. Maybe he just favours more dynamic players who can also be used in a line-out etc.
Swinton does plenty of work and his 'edge' is in defence.

Isi is a pretty old fashion ball carrying 8. I actually don't think we need him - we seem to have plenty of grunt in the forwards.
 

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Mark Loane (55)
Swinton does plenty of work and his 'edge' is in defence.

Isi is a pretty old fashion ball carrying 8. I actually don't think we need him - we seem to have plenty of grunt in the forwards.


I agree, I think Wilson balances out the pack much better. Isi really only brings ball running ability, I don't recall him ever having a great work-rate: hitting heaps of rucks, or even tackling the house down.
 

rodha

Fred Wood (13)
I'd suggest the Deans sides were under-coached, which isn't something I'd say about the Rennie Wallabies so far. We seem very tactical, very planned, very coached.

I'd suggest Wisemantel is behind the tactical side of things. I can see Scott Wisemantel's fingerprints all over these Wallabies. Very organized, pre-ordinated, step-by-step actions. Identical to England under Wisemantel. Like a game of chess, very pre-planned, calculated movements.

By the looks of things Rennie is filling a more inclusive, coaching co-ordinator role (much like Graham Henry did), as he has 4 assistant coaches, Du Plessis, Wisemantel, Parling, Taylor, that are all heavily involved in strategy. Rennie has admitted this in interviews, it's why he made it imperative to surround himself with highly qualified & experienced technical coaches.

Deans didn't have this option. Deans had a bunch of in-experienced duds foisted upon him, and he didn't have say in the matter. He didn't get to hand-pick his assistants, unlike Rennie. The role of the head coach these days is more of a directorial/manager type role, where you helicopter over the group, instead of actually being heavily involved in the technical/tactical side of things.

It's all very dependent on who your assistant/technical coaches are. Case in point - In 6 seasons with the Chiefs, Rennie only won the SR title in the 2 seasons in which the great Wayne Smith was his technical advisor.
 

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Geoff Shaw (53)
So basically Deans was the Messiah but he just had too much against him and Rennie is a charlatan riding on the coat tails of others.
Does that adequately present your position?
 
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
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But Rennie dropped Hanigan for Swinton in search of more impact, and in his interviews has praised Swintons "edge" in the first 30mins. If Swinton was avaliable I have no doubt he would be the 6.

So hard to say Rennie favours the workhorse. Maybe he just favours more dynamic players who can also be used in a line-out etc.

Swinton does plenty of work too.
 

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Geoff Shaw (53)
Liam Wright is a 7, as much as the Reds want him playing at 6 to accommodate for both him/ McReight, I don't think he can provide the same impact.
Well, like I said I am not pushing him to be the Wallaby 6 but I am very happy for him to play their for the Reds.
 

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Trevor Allan (34)
Rennie seems to favour work-rate, not impact so much, especially in the back row it seems. I guess he feels Naisarani doesn't provide enough of that? Just hypothesising. I am a bit bemused that he cannot be supercharged a bit more to fit the bill, if that is the case.

Rennie is all about workrate - Cheika talked about it quite a bit when he was at the Tahs and Rennie at the Chiefs, the Chiefs were seen as the standard to be challenged. Possibly Rennie is doubling down on it in his first season, to make a statement for all players heading in to 2021 - work hard or go home.
 
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Phil Kearns (64)
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Deans didn't have this option. Deans had a bunch of in-experienced duds foisted upon him, and he didn't have say in the matter. He didn't get to hand-pick his assistants, unlike Rennie. The role of the head coach these days is more of a directorial/manager type role, where you helicopter over the group, instead of actually being heavily involved in the technical/tactical side of things.

It's all very dependent on who your assistant/technical coaches are. Case in point - In 6 seasons with the Chiefs, Rennie only won the SR title in the 2 seasons in which the great Wayne Smith was his technical advisor.


Yes but initially you said Rennie was Deans 2.0, but now the only similarity you can identify is that they delegate some functions to their assistant coaches. If that's what you are saying then fair enough, but I can't see many similarities beyond that.

Also I'm not sure Rennie did 'hand pick' his assistants, wasn't that Scott Johnson? If you can point me to some evidence this was the case then fine, but I'm not sure Rennie did have much say in the matter. But when you've got gun assistants like Wisemantl and Taylor lining up then it's clearly a much better situation than the coaches provided to Deans.
 

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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Rennie is all about workrate - Cheika talked about it quite a bit when he was at the Tahs and Rennie at the Chiefs, the Chiefs were seen as the standard to be challenged. Possibly Rennie is doubling down on it in his first season, to make a statement for all players heading in to 2021 - work hard or go home.
As just an average rugby tragic, I cannot believe that players need to have this emphasised to them in 2020.
We've been professional since 1995 and part of professionalism is the mantra of continual improvement.
Going hard or going home is also a basic building block of success and should have been around since 1995.
Earning big dollars would mean having to go hard all the time.
That's all before we explore the motivation to play for your country where going hard comes as naturally as day follows night.
If there are any players who haven't been working hard they should have been rooted out years ago.
 

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John Eales (66)
As just an average rugby tragic, I cannot believe that players need to have this emphasised to them in 2020.
We've been professional since 1995 and part of professionalism is the mantra of continual improvement.
Going hard or going home is also a basic building block of success and should have been around since 1995.
Earning big dollars would mean having to go hard all the time.
That's all before we explore the motivation to play for your country where going hard comes as naturally as day follows night.
If there are any players who haven't been working hard they should have been rooted out years ago.
I think a few of our boys would probably be playing for Fiji if the economics permitted it (and i don't mean this as any kind of criticism).
 

Rob42

Trevor Allan (34)
As just an average rugby tragic, I cannot believe that players need to have this emphasised to them in 2020.
We've been professional since 1995 and part of professionalism is the mantra of continual improvement.
Going hard or going home is also a basic building block of success and should have been around since 1995.
Earning big dollars would mean having to go hard all the time.
That's all before we explore the motivation to play for your country where going hard comes as naturally as day follows night.
If there are any players who haven't been working hard they should have been rooted out years ago.

True, but experience over those 25 years shows that not all players live up to this expectation, and not all coaches enforce it.

I think one of the biggest challenges of coaching must be motivating players to deliver 100% every day during a long pre-season, and late in the season when everything hurts for days after a match. I don't want to go all Matt Burke, but I think it's hard for us to really understand how much of professional rugby player's life is boring, painful, and stressful.
 

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John Eales (66)
Can you imagine having to give 100% all day every day at your job - and if you ever fail to live up that expectation you get punted pretty much immediately.

What a shite job.
 

rodha

Fred Wood (13)
So basically Deans was the Messiah but he just had too much against him and Rennie is a charlatan riding on the coat tails of others.
Does that adequately present your position?

You got it mate. Pretty hard to succeed when you've got staff who aren't on the same page as you. Dean's assistant coaches were part of a co-ordinated effort to oust him. See the 3rd Lions test capitulation. Deans was set-up to fail, a planned ploy to get rid of him, burdened with the weight of the posse of Australian assistant coaches heft on his shoulders to actively undermine him, invariably resulting in his imminent sacking at the conclusion of the 2013 June series.
 

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Geoff Shaw (53)
You got it mate. Pretty hard to succeed when you've got staff who aren't on the same page as you. Dean's assistant coaches were part of a co-ordinated effort to oust him. See the 3rd Lions test capitulation. Deans was set-up to fail, a planned ploy to get rid of him, burdened with the weight of the posse of Australian assistant coaches heft on his shoulders to actively undermine him, invariably resulting in his imminent sacking at the conclusion of the 2013 June series.
You’re being sarcastic now, right?
 

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Fred Wood (13)
Can you imagine having to give 100% all day every day at your job - and if you ever fail to live up that expectation you get punted pretty much immediately.

What a shite job.


Considering the performance part really consists of one 80m session per week for 8 months of the year I don't think it's that big an ask at all.

In fact if you're not motivated to give your 100% every game then you need to find yourself a day job.

I've played plenty of amateur rugby and giving it your all every Saturday was expected even at that level.
 
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