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Wallabies 2022 (towards 2023)

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Greg Davis (50)
there are about a dozen games (or less) till the RWC, for better or worse they need to pick a nominated 10 and barring injury play him every game with the nominated half. it would seem that as of last saturday it is JOC (James O'Connor) and White. Lolesio is currently #2, and Hodge #3. i cannot see any others playing in 2022 or 2023 short of injuries to all three. Edmed, Donaldson and Gordon are very long shots to be 10 for the wallabies at RWC.
 

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John Eales (66)
there are about a dozen games (or less) till the RWC, for better or worse they need to pick a nominated 10 and barring injury play him every game with the nominated half. it would seem that as of last saturday it is JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) and White. Lolesio is currently #2, and Hodge #3. i cannot see any others playing in 2022 or 2023 short of injuries to all three. Edmed, Donaldson and Gordon are very long shots to be 10 for the wallabies at RWC.

Other than the Beale/Foley "joker" card. I'd be happy running out White with Lolesio, and try to hold Tate and JOC (James O'Connor) on the bench.

Edit: given there has been actual discussion about a possible Beale return to the WBs, it is hard to imagine a more convincing set of circumstances than this, for Beale to get his shot.
 

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Cyril Towers (30)
there are about a dozen games (or less) till the RWC, for better or worse they need to pick a nominated 10 and barring injury play him every game with the nominated half. it would seem that as of last saturday it is JOC (James O'Connor) (James O'Connor) and White. Lolesio is currently #2, and Hodge #3. i cannot see any others playing in 2022 or 2023 short of injuries to all three. Edmed, Donaldson and Gordon are very long shots to be 10 for the wallabies at RWC.
I think we are going to be smoked in the next 4 Tests by the Saffas and ABs whoever we pick..
 

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Peter Johnson (47)
I think we are going to be smoked in the next 4 Tests by the Saffas and ABs whoever we pick..

I have some faith that we will improve.

The only way is up now, no major injuries in the game just gone. Players should be returning from injury and the shock of losing key backs Kerevi, Cooper and Paisami one after the other should be weathered now.
 
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Alan Cameron (40)
Yes, I'm fully Team Edmed after the Tahs season, and the Australia A games, and I'm not even Ben Batger. He's not flashy but seems to just keep stepping up when required. Given his age and inexperience, I thought he'd tail off after a few big Super Rugby games, but he just keeps delivering.

Donaldson's kicking out of hand sometimes seems to let him down a bit. But, keen to see what both (plus Harrison) can do with another 12 months, I hope neither are pushed into the Wallabies too soon.
Edmed got first crack at Australia B team and was frankly underwhelming at that level. Donaldson was given a go and started for the last 2 and I thought went well. It will be interesting who gets the nod at 10 for the Waratahs next season and a better indicator of who might progress
 

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James Horwill (77)
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I would rather Beale at 10. But can't see why you wouldn't pick Lolesio ahead of any of those.

I expect Beale will figure in the squad soon but surely more likely to feature at fullback or 23. He's definitely a smokey for the RWC squad in the final couple of positions. Beale hasn't played 10 for a long time.

Why would Foley not be a more likely option at 10. He's still playing 10 in Japan in a good team and it has been mentioned that Rennie is in contact.

With Cooper's injury it seems likely we'll add another 10 to the squad. I expect it will be Foley given his experience and the lack of time before the RWC. Maybe we add one of the young ones too but I don't see them as likely to slot into the test team.

Foley would come in on the same basis as Cooper. Let him train with the squad and see how he looks.

I agree that there is a strong chance that Lolesio gets picked above Foley.
 

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Peter Johnson (47)
I am doubtful we have a team capable of challenging for RWC23. Other teams are simply peaking at the right time.

Our key positions aren't locked down and our world class players will be coming back from serious injury (Kerevi), taking time away from the game (Hooper) or are getting found out at international level (Tupou).

I think Rugby Australia are aware of this, which is why we're in a bit of a holding pattern in terms of money being spent on things like league signings, bringing players back from overseas too early and a new competition to slot under Super Rugby.

What I expect is some bigger announcements at the back end of 2023, maybe post-RWC, regarding changes to our club competitions and a few big signings. Then the work really starts to have our team ready to win RWC2027.

I know people will say it's so far away etc etc but I think it's the realistic goal for this current group of players.
 

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Paul McLean (56)
I expect Beale will figure in the squad soon but surely more likely to feature at fullback or 23. He's definitely a smokey for the RWC squad in the final couple of positions. Beale hasn't played 10 for a long time.

Why would Foley not be a more likely option at 10. He's still playing 10 in Japan in a good team and it has been mentioned that Rennie is in contact.

With Cooper's injury it seems likely we'll add another 10 to the squad. I expect it will be Foley given his experience and the lack of time before the RWC. Maybe we add one of the young ones too but I don't see them as likely to slot into the test team.

Foley would come in on the same basis as Cooper. Let him train with the squad and see how he looks.

I agree that there is a strong chance that Lolesio gets picked above Foley.

I can certainly see him come into the extended squad but I just don't see him in the same class as Cooper and would be unlikely to make the 23. Given his skillset, he offers nothing that Lolesio can't do. And his biggest strengths being his running game and support play I feel deteriorate with age moreso then say Coopers game-management, distribution, or kicking game (none of these a strength for Foley).

Also, given how much the contestable kicks and territory game feature in the game this year, kicking is so important, I feel this is a big weaknesses in Foley's game. As well as goal-kicking. Lolesio is much better in this department.

So I just don't see it happening. Glad to be proven wrong though.
 

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Bill Watson (15)
Gloom and doom, eh? If we get anything close to our best 23 onto the paddock we will do okay.
Where does this confidence come from? Losing a test series to an English team coming off a poor 6 nations looking to sack their coach, and getting dominated in 3 out of 4 halves vs the Pumas. A winless spring tour last year. Instead of sticking to, developing and coached young players like Tate & Lolesio, Rennie has opted for injury prone guys in their mid 30's. So it's not really surprising when said injury prone players get injured. Not to mention the terrible gameplan in the 3rd test vs England which basically handed them the game, the return of Cheika Ball

And as long as Rennie insists on overtraining his players and doing heavy contact drill mid week before a test match, they will never have close to their best 23 available
 

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Bill Watson (15)
Is that what's happening?
Yeah, it's been reported how much he's running them, they aren't fit enough apparently. One would think that time would probably be best spend catching high balls but Rennie seems to prefer running a cross fit class

And he might be the first International coach in history to manage to get his starting hooker concussed 2 weeks in a row
 

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Rocky Elsom (76)
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Yeah, it's been reported how much he's running them, they aren't fit enough apparently. One would think that time would probably be best spend catching high balls but Rennie seems to prefer running a cross fit class

Cheika had the same issue around fitness, but I haven't seen anything reported that he is running them so hard in test week? Is that is what's happening?
And he might be the first International coach in history to manage to get his starting hooker concussed 2 weeks in a row

Well he's definitely the first Wallaby coach to be coaching at a time when it's finally being treated seriously, so that shouldn't really be a surpise.
 
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