Wallabies 2019 Thread

[Slim 293]

Wessells, Mitchell, Gibson and Dingo

1 out of 5 would suggest you are wrong

You might want to rethink that logic.........

1. Because he's a good coach
2. He's not a kiwi

3. He's from QLD

Er, he hasn't coached a successful team since the 2004 Brumbies.......... and again, the other two points are irrelevant to his coaching ability.

Can you offer a valid reason why a non-Australian coach shouldn't be hired?

 

[Braveheart81]

I reckon after three rounds of Super Rugby this year people were arguing that Wessels was a genius and should be the next Wallabies coach.

 

[Brumbieman]

Keen to see what Rennie can do personally.

As Jake White's attack coach, definitely. Then after a few years of international experience, he can take the HC role.

Fischer as a consultant unless he wants a full time gig.

 

[Brumbieman]

I reckon after three rounds of Super Rugby this year people were arguing that Wessels was a genius and should be the next Wallabies coach.

He certainly has potential, but being quite young for a HC i'd imagine this season will be a big learning curve and he'll come back stronger for it.

 

[Braveheart81]

He certainly has potential, but being quite young for a HC i'd imagine this season will be a big learning curve and he'll come back stronger for it.

Sure, he has potential.

He's still yet to show he's a good Super Rugby coach though. He took comfortably the best Australian squad this year and again failed to make the playoffs.

My point was that people started suggesting he was ready to coach the Wallabies before there was any consistent proof that he was successful at Super Rugby level.

 

[Up the Guts]

Sure, he has potential.

He's still yet to show he's a good Super Rugby coach though. He took comfortably the best Australian squad this year and again failed to make the playoffs.

My point was that people started suggesting he was ready to coach the Wallabies before there was any consistent proof that he was successful at Super Rugby level.

Very similar to Quade and calls for him to be in the Wallabies.

The reality is there’s no Australian capable of turning this ship around. With the success of Ireland under Schmidt, I can’t for the life of me think why anyone would be against a Kiwi coach. Just pick the best man for the job and hope we get some good eggs applying.

 

[Finsbury Girl]

Oh and I forgot good mate Mickey Arthur, another great success.

 

[Tex]

The suggestion that only an Australian can coach the Wallabies is so utterly brain dead.

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

Very similar to Quade and calls for him to be in the Wallabies.

The reality is there’s no Australian capable of turning this ship around. With the success of Ireland under Schmidt, I can’t for the life of me think why anyone would be against a Kiwi coach. Just pick the best man for the job and hope we get some good eggs applying.

And look at our own coaching pathways so we can start producing more

 

[Slim 293]

Oh and I forgot good mate Mickey Arthur, another great success.

I imagine he would be a terrible rugby coach......... otherwise, irrelevant.

 

[Tomikin]

I imagine he would be a terrible rugby coach... otherwise, irrelevant.

Although if your thinking outside the box of not picking a rugby coach, I'd suggest that Ric Charlesworth as a consultant might be worth a gig.

Here's some of his wise words
https://www.coachinglife.com.au/article/ric-charlesworth/

 

[KOB1987]

The only Aussie I can think of who is remotely ready for the Wallabies gig and currently available (aside form Lord Laurie) is Scott Wisemantel. Perhaps that's why he hasn't turned up at the Waratahs yet.

However, I think we are best to have this conversation after the RWC when we know where everyone in coaching land is at.

 

[Braveheart81]

The only Aussie I can think of who is remotely ready for the Wallabies gig and currently available (aside form Lord Laurie) is Scott Wisemantel. Perhaps that's why he hasn't turned up at the Waratahs yet.

However, I think we are best to have this conversation after the RWC when we know where everyone in coaching land is at.

The reality with Wisemantel is that he has an impressive resumé as an assistant coach and almost nothing as a head coach.

Would that really be a sound decision to make him head coach of the Wallabies?

 

[KOB1987]

The reality with Wisemantel is that he has an impressive resumé as an assistant coach and almost nothing as a head coach.

Would that really be a sound decision to make him head coach of the Wallabies?

No, note that I said 'remotely ready'. He's been the assistant coach of a few international teams and head coach of near international teams (Aus U19s, Australia A, etc) and he's probably not far off making the leap, and perhaps next year with a new brood of players and coaches is the time to do it. Ideally, 4 years at the Tahs, then into it after RWC 2023 though. But I won't be surprised if it happens earlier in the absence of a standout like Rennie wanting the gig.

 

[Braveheart81]

No, note that I said 'remotely ready'.

I was essentially agreeing with you. It would be a substantial leap of faith appointing him as head coach of the Wallabies.

He looks comfortably the best Australian candidate.

 

[RugbyReg]

No, note that I said 'remotely ready'. He's been the assistant coach of a few international teams and head coach of near international teams (Aus U19s, Australia A, etc) and he's probably not far off making the leap, and perhaps next year with a new brood of players and coaches is the time to do it. Ideally, 4 years at the Tahs, then into it after RWC 2023 though. But I won't be surprised if it happens earlier in the absence of a standout like Rennie wanting the gig.

he's barely an assistant coach. He's a FIFO Consultant Coach. He flies to England from Nothern NSW just prior to tournaments.

 

[Highlander35]

Why not just say "the 2nd best record"?

Because words are hard and I should have, but it started off as this century, and went off the rails when I changed different parts of the sentence.

 

[KOB1987]

he's barely an assistant coach. He's a FIFO Consultant Coach. He flies to England from Nothern NSW just prior to tournaments.

Thats his current MO yes, but it's not really reflective of his experience. BTW no one is advocating seriously to give him the gig, it's in the context of who could be most considered if it were to go to a local.

 

[fatprop]

Thats his current MO yes, but it's not really reflective of his experience. BTW no one is advocating seriously to give him the gig, it's in the context of who could be most considered if it were to go to a local.

He needs time as a head coach, we have a great list of units who have failed to step up from assistant

The reality is that the Kiwis dominate coaching and the Wobs could do a lot worse than Rennie

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

The idea of yet another Kiwi being coach of any Australian team offends me, but I'm also a realist. I can't recall a time when the coaching stocks of this country have been in such poor shape.

Maybe it's time to start promoting some coaches from premier grade rugby into Super roles while an overseas candidate takes the Wallaby job? For example, a Darren Coleman, who has done an excellent job with the Stags after doing an equally excellent job with the Rats, becomes coach of the Tahs and drags some quality young coaches with him. Or get Jason Gilmore from the U20's into a Super role?