RWC 2019 New Zealand vs Italy
- Thread starter Dismal Pillock
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Dismal Pillock
Simon Poidevin (60)
Holy crap yeah. Imagine the permutations of that. And what if NZ lost that first game vs SA? Would they now be relying on a win over Italy NOT to get dumped out in the pool stages? And then the match gets fucking cancelled?
Cannot even imagine the NZ reaction but can safely say they would not go quietly into that good night
Ulrich
Nev Cottrell (35)
Well, assuming all other matches had been played then only the NZ v SA game would remain. Leaving both equal on 17 points so tries scored etc would have counted and finally world ranking. NZ to finish first in pool I imagine in that scenario, but SA fans would probably not have been too happy about that.
Lorenzo
Colin Windon (37)
except that they could play the following day at the same stadium
WR (World Rugby)/the RWC is not the local court, they can change the rules on the fly if they see fit (or at least with member union approval)
Dan54
Tim Horan (67)
Could they though? I would love if the games went ahead, but wonder if a Typhoon as bad as the one they say is coming hits, would they not have to then check for damage etc? I imagine it takes a lot of resources by police etc etc to stage these games, and I would imagine an awful lot of those are being used to make sure of safety during the Typhoon?
Really shows our mentality in here, people in the area must be a fearful of the chances of loss of life, injuries, damage to property, but oh no good old Green and Gold rugby's only concern seems to be that there is no cancellation of a couple of games of rugby!! Just struck me how shallow we are!
Grant NZ
Bill Watson (15)
If NZ had lost the SA game without a bonus point, they'd still be ahead of Italy.
They'd be on the same number of competition points but ahead on points diff.
This is an idiotic post. People being disappointed at games being cancelled does not equate to blithe disregard for human life and so on. Poor effort.
Brumby Runner
David Wilson (68)
There seems to be a 'holier than thou' element creeping into some recent posts.
Dismal Pillock
Simon Poidevin (60)
Weather forecast for Tokyo tomorrow:
AKA, just another hot rainy day in the big city.
This now has the potential to be a monster premature bedshit from IRB
How is this better than a well-timed bedshit?
Dan54
Tim Horan (67)
Of course they did Slim, hell Brian Moore said in a paper someone told him, so obviously it must be true!!
Dan54
Tim Horan (67)
So Cyclo, show me the posts where it was more important that safety came before a game and I will know I wrong, I can only take what people write as what they mean!
Dan54
Tim Horan (67)
Show me the evidence that people not directly mentioning safety are happy to see people killed or injured? Talking about possible alternatives for cancelling games does not equate to that. Unless you think purely in black and white. Following one idiotic post with another. I'd give up if I were you.
Dan54
Tim Horan (67)
One thing I do think, though once again it maybe for safety reasons I do think it would of been better to cancel games closer in case the Typhoon dies out.Show me the evidence that people not directly mentioning safety are happy to see people killed or injured? Talking about possible alternatives for cancelling games does not equate to that. Unless you think purely in black and white. Following one idiotic post with another. I'd give up if I were you.[/quote
Well take your point Cyclo, I just assumed that most would realise what it takes to move games, and that perhaps everyone in Japan would be more interested in making sure safety came first. I obviously overestimated them
ACR
Bob Davidson (42)
I think you've lost the forest amongst the trees Dan. World Rugby has forgotten how to put on a rugby game lost in its own self importance. To not have a contingency in place for a tournament running in the typhoon season is unforgivable. You could have both of those squads play out their match on a training field and it would be a better resolution than this. Chuck out a skeleton tv crew, skip the TMO and I think we've already got a more valuable product. This outcome completely undermines the legitimacy of a competitive tournament.
Not only that, this is how World Rugby sends off one its greats players, Sergio Parisse.
"It is difficult to know that we won’t have the chance to play a match against one of the great teams,” Parisse said. “If New Zealand needed four or five points against us it would not have been cancelled.
“It is ridiculous that a decision of this nature has been made because it isn’t like the fans arrived yesterday. It is ridiculous that there was no plan B, because it isn’t news that typhoons hit Japan.
“Sure everyone might think that Italy versus New Zealand being cancelled counts for nothing because we’d have lost anyway, but we deserved to be respected as a team. We had the chance to play in a big stadium, against a great team.
“The alternative is plan B. When you organise a World Cup you should have one in place.”
Steve Hansen's charm offensive against World Rugby is particularly grating also.
Not only that, this is how World Rugby sends off one its greats players, Sergio Parisse.
"It is difficult to know that we won’t have the chance to play a match against one of the great teams,” Parisse said. “If New Zealand needed four or five points against us it would not have been cancelled.
“It is ridiculous that a decision of this nature has been made because it isn’t like the fans arrived yesterday. It is ridiculous that there was no plan B, because it isn’t news that typhoons hit Japan.
“Sure everyone might think that Italy versus New Zealand being cancelled counts for nothing because we’d have lost anyway, but we deserved to be respected as a team. We had the chance to play in a big stadium, against a great team.
“The alternative is plan B. When you organise a World Cup you should have one in place.”
Steve Hansen's charm offensive against World Rugby is particularly grating also.
This concept that a RWC match can easily be moved in the middle of a potentially major natural disaster seems pretty dubious. I think people are underestimating how much disruption might occur and how wide the area affected by it could be.
Delaying a game is also a problem as it eats into the preparation time for the knockout stages.
The contingency in place is that cancelled pool games are 0-0 draws and there are reserve days to reschedule knockout matches.
Clearly there has never been the need to cancel a RWC match previously so this is creating a massive drama but I guess if we compare it to the recent Cricket World Cup, it's pretty accepted when a match can't go ahead due to weather and the integrity of the tournament isn't lost by that.
I would imagine there was a contingency for smaller storms, but this one is literally the biggest in the world this year. Given the disruption to transport and emergency services due to the storm, it would have been extremely hard to relocate the match. This is potentially a similar situation to an earthquake in New Zealand - if there had been a big one in 2011 the games impacted would surely have been canceled.
As for the forecast in Yokohama - thunderstorms are predicted but with winds over 150km/h. I'm not sure I would want to play or watch in that.
As for the forecast in Yokohama - thunderstorms are predicted but with winds over 150km/h. I'm not sure I would want to play or watch in that.