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Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
It is an interview with the Swedish prof running their process, but I understand the source is triggering and hard for you handle


I've worked with Rita.......... the only people being triggered is her audience, and she knows it.
 

Aurelius

Ted Thorn (20)
According to the West's travel section, mainland European countries are going to open their international borders next month.

Something to ponder in the debate over our states' boundaries remaining closed.

Meanwhile, London is starting to record new cases in the low double figures. So it looks like Europe is well and truly past the peak of the virus (well, the first wave anyway).
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
When 50% of your panel involves 2 people whose highest contribution to media is "Organ-donor-in-waiting", it isn't likely to be a great debate.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
According to the West's travel section, mainland European countries are going to open their international borders next month.


If half the countries in Europe go into lockdown and the other half don't, the economic effects are going to be pronounced.

Similarly the health outcomes.

If the states with strongly socialised healthcare feel like they can stand up to demand for ICU, then I say go for it. I'll just push back my wishful-thinking European trip another imaginary year :(
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
Staff member
If half the countries in Europe go into lockdown and the other half don't, the economic effects are going to be pronounced.

Similarly the health outcomes.

If the states with strongly socialised healthcare feel like they can stand up to demand for ICU, then I say go for it. I'll just push back my wishful-thinking European trip another imaginary year :(
You really want to go to Aotearoa; you know it. No problem, soon enough, I reckon.
 

Aurelius

Ted Thorn (20)
If half the countries in Europe go into lockdown and the other half don't, the economic effects are going to be pronounced.

Similarly the health outcomes.

If the states with strongly socialised healthcare feel like they can stand up to demand for ICU, then I say go for it. I'll just push back my wishful-thinking European trip another imaginary year :(

Man, I feel ya. I'm meant to be in Berlin right now.

Maybe next year ...
 

Froggy

John Solomon (38)
WO, I couldn't agree with your post more.
Ideologues from both ends of the political spectrum often seem to see every event through a prism of left v right.
An alternative, and I would argue more open minded way to look at things, as to try and form your own opinion on each and any particular issue regardless of the political ideology behind it. In this particular case, for example, I would have thought that the performance of both Jacinda Ardern and Scott Morrison on this particular issue has been very good, especially in comparison to many other leaders around the world. And you can have that view without having to support either one of them on a whole variety of other matters.
That's not to say either have been perfect, perfect under such exceptional and unique circumstances is probably a pretty tough call, but with regard to COVID-19 I think both us and the Kiwis have been pretty lucky to have the leadership we have.
 

Pfitzy

George Gregan (70)
You really want to go to Aotearoa; you know it. No problem, soon enough, I reckon.


That's a given. Getting a refund for my flights booked for the June long weekend but NOT one of the hotels :(

Think the next trip will depend on time of year. Fiji for 4 days drinking cocktails sounds good. Or NZ for 2 weeks.
 

waiopehu oldboy

Stirling Mortlock (74)
WO, I couldn't agree with your post more.
Ideologues from both ends of the political spectrum often seem to see every event through a prism of left v right.
An alternative, and I would argue more open minded way to look at things, as to try and form your own opinion on each and any particular issue regardless of the political ideology behind it. In this particular case, for example, I would have thought that the performance of both Jacinda Ardern and Scott Morrison on this particular issue has been very good, especially in comparison to many other leaders around the world. And you can have that view without having to support either one of them on a whole variety of other matters.
That's not to say either have been perfect, perfect under such exceptional and unique circumstances is probably a pretty tough call, but with regard to COVID-19 I think both us and the Kiwis have been pretty lucky to have the leadership we have.

Don't know enough about the Australian experience to comment but for our part there was, initially at least, all-party support for the government's actions. Opposition leader Simon Bridges only broke ranks when a small section of National's support base & the pro-Nat media started getting restless, then became openly anti after an internal poll apparently showed him & the Nats tanking badly. The latest public polls have Labour at ~55% which is unheard of under MMP & Jacinda in the 70's for preferred PM which is peak John Key territory circa the GFC.

Incidentally Bridges got rolled on Friday on the back of Nats polling 29% & him less than 10 as preferred PM on Thursday. The new bloke is of course talking the talk about re-opening the economy, scaling back the supposed over-reach, blah blah blah, conveniently forgetting that the process is already well under way.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
fewer pies ladies

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has pinpointed “severe obesity” – those with a Body Mass Index (BMI) of 40 or more -- as being one of the groups most “at risk for complications” when it comes to coronavirus, officially referred to as COVID-19.
BMI is a value derived from the mass and height of a person. While it is somewhat controversial as it does not take into account muscle mass over body fat, it remains the medical standard used to determine if one is within a scientifically healthy weight range.
“I suspect this is America’s COVID Achilles heel and may cause higher morbidity and mortality rates than other regions,” Dr. Jennifer Lighter, hospital epidemiologist at New York University’s Langone Health, told Fox News. “In individuals less than 60 years old, they were two to three times more likely to be admitted to the hospital or ICU, and for the morbidly obese, fatality is three times the rate than for non-obese COVID-infected individuals.”

Lighter led the hospital’s recent study, published this month in Clinical Infectious Diseases, which emphasized hospital patients “under 60 with a BMI over 35 were at least twice as likely to be admitted to the ICU for coronavirus than patients with healthy BMIs.”

..................................................... “Obesity is commonly associated with metabolic syndrome, which increases your risks for diabetes, hypertension, heart and blood vessel disease, and ultimately kidney disease. And we know for sure that diabetics are more susceptible to developing infections and high blood sugars can weaken the immune system,” observed Dr. David Nazarian, a Beverly Hills-based physician, diplomate at the American Board of Internal Medicine and founder of My Concierge MD. “So, in a nutshell, a person who is obese can check off five of the risk factors that the CDC has placed as risks for more severe COVID-19 infections.”
............................. “Furthermore, persons with obesity who become ill and require intensive care present challenges in patient management as it is more difficult to intubate patients with obesity,” the federation continued. “It can be more challenging to obtain diagnostic imaging as there are weight limits on imaging machines, patients are more difficult to position and transport by nursing staff and, like pregnant patients in ICUs, they may not do well when prone. In general, health systems are already not well set up to manage patients with obesity.”

....................... “Issues arising from health conditions like obesity and its consequences are multifaceted, and where you live plays a role,” Nazario added. “In areas of the U.S. with higher rates of obesity, we are likely to see higher death rates, but the reasons aren’t so straightforward. Access to care and many other social determinants of health all play a role.”

https://www.foxnews.com/health/is-americas-high-obesity-levels-leading-to-more-coronavirus-deaths
 

Aurelius

Ted Thorn (20)
But not men?
Amazing findings - BMI >40 associated with poorer health outcomes. Who'd have known?


Boris Johnson is apparently convinced that his weight is the reason why he personally suffered so badly from the coronavirus.

I have to admit, it's puzzled me for years how smoking has been ostracised to the point that it's basically become a fringe vice among mainstream society, but being heavily overweight, or even full-blown obese, is a lifestyle choice that we have to respect or even applaud, otherwise we're guilty of "body-shaming" or some nonsense.

Of course, the fact that this research is being presented by someone named "Dr. Lighter" will just be rubbing it in for the fat activists.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
But not men?
Amazing findings - BMI >40 associated with poorer health outcomes. Who'd have known?



It would be nice to see some reminding of the issue, say, how can I make yourself less likely to die

Give us something actionable to do rather than hide in place (lose weight, do some exercise and get some sun)
 

boyo

Mark Ella (57)
Fun game, now let's do it Country Deaths /1M pop
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Belgium 806.5
Spain 612.7
United Kingdom 547.4
Italy 539.7
France 422.3
Sweden 385.4
Netherlands 335.9
Ireland 328
United States 298.5
Switzerland 223.4
Montserrat 186.1
Luxembourg 179.4
Ecuador 178.9
Canada 168.7
Portugal 125.4
Peru 101.4
Brazil 100.8
Germany 100.7
Denmark 96.8
Iran** 89.2
Austria 71.8
Panama 70.6
Moldova 66.8
Romania 59.9
Finland 55.5
Mexico 55.4
North Macedonia 53.8
Turkey 51.9
Slovenia 51.3
Hungary 48.7


All of a sudden it is more complicated and less political


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

I'm sure that the victims of Dachau, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz, etc. would take comfort in you saying that the death-rates are more important in the scheme of things than the overall number of deaths.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
I'm sure that the victims of Dachau, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz, etc. would take comfort in you saying that the death-rates are more important in the scheme of things than the overall number of deaths.

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