RWC Pool C - Australia v Wales - 5AM 25 Sep AEST

[Bullrush]

Honestly I think the gameplan stuff is over hyped. It’s basic skills that are letting us down

I’m pretty certain the gameplan isn’t to kick the ball dead and go isolated into contact

But it was to kick the ball instead of holding on to it…

 

[Tomthumb]

But it was to kick the ball instead of holding on to it…

Which if the kicks are done well and go out 5m out, would have worked a treat with our dominant lineout

 

[swingpass]

Which if the kicks are done well and go out 5m out, would have worked a treat with our dominant lineout

but don‘t employ a game plan the players don’t have the skills (or fitness or strength or brains, whatever) to implement

 

[Tomthumb]

but don"t employ a game plan the players don"t have the skills (or fitness or strength or brains, whatever) to implement

Which game plan should we employ then? If we held onto the ball we would have given away 30 ruck penalties

 

[Derpus]

Which game plan should we employ then? If we held onto the ball we would have given away 30 ruck penalties

Why not employ a game plan that involves playing to the circumstances and conditions of the match? Like kicking when you need some territory, employing a short kicking game to beat a rush defence, attacking from turnover ball, going through phases to apply pressure when in or near their 22 etc.

You know - normal fucking rugby. Eddie fancies himself the Johan Cruyff of Rugby when in reality he's closer to David Moyes.

 

[Joe Blow]

Honestly I think the gameplan stuff is over hyped. It’s basic skills that are letting us down

I’m pretty certain the gameplan isn’t to kick the ball dead and go isolated into contact

Which if the kicks are done well and go out 5m out, would have worked a treat with our dominant lineout

But you cant stick to that plan if you do not have decent accurate kickers in the team

 

[Tomthumb]

Why not employ a game plan that involves playing to the circumstances and conditions of the match? Like kicking when you need some territory, employing a short kicking game to beat a rush defence, attacking from turnover ball, going through phases to apply pressure when in or near their 22 etc.

You know - normal fucking rugby. Eddie fancies himself the Johan Cruyff of Rugby when in reality he's closer to David Moyes.

All of this is wonderful in theory, but for the most part isn't achievable when you lose the breakdown as bad as we did

And Kicking away turnover ball has been an issue in Australian rugby for years

 

[Tomthumb]

But you cant stick to that plan if you do not have decent accurate kickers in the team

This is a different argument around the lack of rugby skill in Australia, which I agree

In that case though what do we do? We aren't good in rucks, aren't good in mauls, aren't good in scrums without Tupou, aren't good at tackling, aren't good at kicking, aren't good at catching or passing

There isn't a game plan in the world that you can pull off with a team like ours that literally isn't good at anything

 

[fatprop]

But you cant stick to that plan if you do not have decent accurate kickers in the team

a decent chase can turn a less than optimal kick into something useful as well

 

[Joe Blow]

This is a different argument around the lack of rugby skill in Australia, which I agree

In that case though what do we do? We aren't good in rucks, aren't good in mauls, aren't good in scrums without Tupou, aren't good at tackling, aren't good at kicking, aren't good at catching or passing

There isn't a game plan in the world that you can pull off with a team like ours that literally isn't good at anything

You sure as hell don’t implement a game plan that is beyond your players. The nucleus of this team under Dave Rennie would have got through this pool undefeated most likely. They were good at most of those things a year ago.
The easiest draw in our RWC history……..

Good article from the Roar. Right on the money

COMMENT: Eddie must be axed if he can't beat Wales - or the game will be in deep trouble in Australia

When you find yourself in a deep hole digging, stop digging. How do you mitigate the original error of hiring Eddie Jones too late…

www.theroar.com.au

 

[Tomthumb]

You sure as hell don’t implement a game plan that is beyond your players. The nucleus of this team under Dave Rennie would have got through this pool undefeated most likely. They were good at most of those things a year ago.
The easiest draw in our RWC history……..

Good article from the Roar. Right on the money

COMMENT: Eddie must be axed if he can't beat Wales - or the game will be in deep trouble in Australia

When you find yourself in a deep hole digging, stop digging. How do you mitigate the original error of hiring Eddie Jones too late…

www.theroar.com.au

No we weren't good at those things last year ffs

9 losses last year, 2 of which were to Eddie Jones. Close score lines like a 48-17 loss & a 40-14 loss

And, no, it's not a good article. It's just another vitriolic article that provides zero solutions, which is unsurprising considering who wrote it

 

[Joe Blow]

Jones was a mistake. We may have been struggling under Rennie but he had a recognisable direction and game plan. He had a nucleus of senior players to take us through this RWC. Would we have won? Extremely unlikely but we would most likely have performed to a reasonable standard considering our limitations and resources. At least a quarter final and possibly a semi.
We have absolutely bottomed out after a few short months with Jones and he will not be given the opportunity to turn it around, an unlikely scenario in any case. He is fast tracking our decline.

 

[Tomthumb]

We may have been struggling under Rennie but he had a recognisable direction and game plan.

Out of all the Rennie myths on here, this is the biggest lie of them all. What direction exactly? Were all his assistants deserting him part of the master plan? Were all the training injuries part of the master plan? Were all the same mistakes every game part of the master plan? Were all the choke jobs at the end of games part of the master plan? Was tossing a coin to pick the backup 9 part of the master plan? Was being the most ill-disciplined team in world rugby part of the Master plan?

Dave Rennie had 3 years and 34 test matches to hone his master plan, and we were the same rubbish team when he left than we were when he arrived

Dave deserved to be fired, and Eddie deserves to be blamed for the woeful loss to Fiji. Both of these things can be true

 

[Joe Blow]

True, but we have gone out of the frypan into the fire. I was on the EJ (Eddie Jones) train back then but we have gone from bad to worse and the myth of rebuilding offers little if any comfort.

 

[Tomthumb]

Oh I agree it hasn't worked anywhere near as well as intended, and this Welsh test is do or die, for both the Wallabies and for Eddie himself

 

[Bullrush]

All of this is wonderful in theory, but for the most part isn't achievable when you lose the breakdown as bad as we did

And Kicking away turnover ball has been an issue in Australian rugby for years

So were they expecting to be so bad at the breakdown and thus the game plan to apparently kick for the corner after a small number of ball carries?

 

[Tomthumb]

So were they expecting to be so bad at the breakdown and thus the game plan to apparently kick for the corner after a small number of ball carries?

It's all assumptions as we aren't in the meetings, but I'd guess without Skelton and Tupou they didn't want to rely on a collision battle with that tough Fijian pack, rather play the ball in behind and play to the strength of their lineout and not allowing Fiji broken play from which to attack from

 

[Mr Pilfer]

I think we should bring kelleway into 13 for this one, the center pairing is not working for mine.

As well as winning we must either get a bonus point ourselves or beat wales by more than 7 that way we should both end of the same amount of points and we still go through. Regardless of what happens to Fiji

 

[Dctarget]

I think we should bring kelleway into 13 for this one, the center pairing is not working for mine.

As well as winning we must either get a bonus point ourselves or beat wales by more than 7 that way we should both end of the same amount of points and we still go through. Regardless of what happens to Fiji

13 or 15 or at least bloody 23. Don't know how Eddie is so comfortable ignoring one of our few good decision making players.

 

[Sword of Justice]

Yeah I think Fiji put to bed the idea that you can just select a player based on kicking alone or one or two other qualities. What we gained in goal kicking was not equal to what we lost in decision making, overall skills, or defence.

Kellaway is one of the only players that actually has experience as well as half way decent form.