wamberal99
Syd Malcolm (24)
There is an article in today's SMH quoting JON as suggesting that Super Rugby franchises should be aligned with an NRL club. Sounds like a pipe dream to me.
Australian Rugby / RA
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Wallaby Man
Trevor Allan (34)
People do realise with the RWC coming up the Force and Rebels aren’t going anywhere. We are in the middle of a bidding war between states for different games and investment in the sport, money multitudes more than any club loss will acquire. They aren’t going to remove that, even if it costs RA in the short term. And then the preceding few years post RWC they aren’t going to be removed either as they will look to capitalize on positivity around the game at the time.
Brumbies strength is they run the best program in the country and obviously Tahs and Reds are the only 2 ’institutions’ we have that will always exist as long as the game exists.
So in short the improvement will have to come from within the systems that feed these programs. Which is the issue we have as none of them are aligned in how this should look.
I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that World Rugby see Australia as an ongoing risk and aren’t impressed with the steps taken recently from the states to undermine change they want to see happen. This is not saying they were a fan of Hamish either. But they are pushing for constitutional reform and mass changes to the system from high performance to investment etc.
Brumbies strength is they run the best program in the country and obviously Tahs and Reds are the only 2 ’institutions’ we have that will always exist as long as the game exists.
So in short the improvement will have to come from within the systems that feed these programs. Which is the issue we have as none of them are aligned in how this should look.
I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that World Rugby see Australia as an ongoing risk and aren’t impressed with the steps taken recently from the states to undermine change they want to see happen. This is not saying they were a fan of Hamish either. But they are pushing for constitutional reform and mass changes to the system from high performance to investment etc.
Pone's Mullet
Alex Ross (28)
All these chats will feel ridiculous as proud Victorian Rob Leota hoist aloft the Super Rugby trophy after an unbeaten season from the Rebels
This was the best post since the world cup tbh
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
lol, what does this have to do with Sydney test crowd?
why are you getting upset when people call out directors who have put the club and livelihood of staff and players at risk by poor governance? It’s your club they’ve damaged..
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John Thornett (49)
& you know they have how? or are you just making one of you 100 negative posts a day
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Anyway….. In todays paper; 4 subsidiaries of BRC and Rebels Chairman have been placed into administration in past 4 weeks…
https://www.afr.com/technology/melb...ital-faces-cascading-failures-20231213-p5er56
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Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
sadly, it’s a valid question at this point in time..
i agree with what others have said earlier that having a team in Melbourne is important, but if this BRC issue goes further south and Paul Docherty drags the club down, i really don't see how RA can prop them up to survive. That’s confronting for some, but there’s no way to sugarcoat the financial issues that Australia Rugby faces.
Dctarget
John Eales (66)
All dependent on how much propping is required. If it's just what's been reported then it's a no-brainer to keep them chugging. If they become a complete black hole then yeah, maybe it's curtains.
Surely this the main reason why there's been such a hold up with the centralisation of the Rebels being finalised with RA.
Hopefully this means they've done the right amount of due diligence regarding the liabilities of the Rebels before making them their own liability going forward.
Hopefully this means they've done the right amount of due diligence regarding the liabilities of the Rebels before making them their own liability going forward.
dru
Tim Horan (67)
Do you think that the Rebels could be left to sink and then start preparing an alternative? I'm guessing that VicRU is going to have exposure if not a guarantee. Which would complicate things.
Also you'd think a gesture would be required to the stadium owner. Tax man would usually get the first bight after that who knows?
stoff
Bill McLean (32)
I think there may be a basketball club who has an issue with that.
Wilson
Michael Lynagh (62)
A combined basketball and rugby club wouldn't be the worst idea for as city like Melbourne.
hoggy
Trevor Allan (34)
Nothing is going to change until you address the business model that these teams operate under.
Having the rebels a single entity franchise in a state that barely participates in the code compete on a supposedly equal basis with other franchises including NZ (arguably the strongest rugby playing nation) with condensed squads just under test level strength, is f----g insanity.
To add to the insanity, then play in a competition that operates with such restraints and compromises that it can barely maintain interest with rusted on fans, let alone actually attract new fans.
The arrogance & sheer stupidity of the top down approach of the game in the Southern Hemisphere where you ignore your own domestic market will be the demise of the game here.
And having just come back from a few weeks work in New Zealand, you can just start to see the issues affecting them as well, of course it's different with it being the predominant code, but the slow neglect of your own domestic market, people start to lose interest.
Having the rebels a single entity franchise in a state that barely participates in the code compete on a supposedly equal basis with other franchises including NZ (arguably the strongest rugby playing nation) with condensed squads just under test level strength, is f----g insanity.
To add to the insanity, then play in a competition that operates with such restraints and compromises that it can barely maintain interest with rusted on fans, let alone actually attract new fans.
The arrogance & sheer stupidity of the top down approach of the game in the Southern Hemisphere where you ignore your own domestic market will be the demise of the game here.
And having just come back from a few weeks work in New Zealand, you can just start to see the issues affecting them as well, of course it's different with it being the predominant code, but the slow neglect of your own domestic market, people start to lose interest.
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Clubhouse coach
Sydney Middleton (9)
So our Super Rugby teams become NRL feeder clubs.
Sir Arthur Higgins
Alan Cameron (40)
I think that’s the point of centralization
RA now basically has two franchises in Sydney and Melbourne that it can achieve operating efficiencies with and provide better scale to sponsors etc.
Brumbies should come on board. There’s a greater chance they fold as is than get relocated by RA.
Chickens coming home to roost a fair bit this year after long mid management in aus rugby.
Personally if force don’t centralize it’s not a huge issue. So far away the economies of having them centralized probably aren’t amazing. Really need the “southern” three sharing costs at RA levels think each of them could fold absent centralization. All in rude health
RA now basically has two franchises in Sydney and Melbourne that it can achieve operating efficiencies with and provide better scale to sponsors etc.
Brumbies should come on board. There’s a greater chance they fold as is than get relocated by RA.
Chickens coming home to roost a fair bit this year after long mid management in aus rugby.
Personally if force don’t centralize it’s not a huge issue. So far away the economies of having them centralized probably aren’t amazing. Really need the “southern” three sharing costs at RA levels think each of them could fold absent centralization. All in rude health
Wallaby Man
Trevor Allan (34)
I think it’s an almost certainty that the Brumbies will fall to centralizing under RA. Economies of scale principle will dictate it just makes sense, plus they like the Rebels and Tahs are essentially insolvent in the long term at current funding levels, even if it increases to $5m it’s only a short term balancing the books act, which under current inflationary pressures and wage spiraling in the game caused by the NRL and overseas rugby it will quickly mean the $5m won’t be sustainable. It’s all going to eventually happen, it’s just how much kicking and screaming will be involved and how much leverage they can get in the process.
Adam84
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Brumbies voted not to get on board that centralisation model..
But i believe they’ve only delayed the inevitable, the buisness model of a Super Rugby team in Canberra isnt sustainable long term under the current tournament design and grant distributions, let alone any state. But ACT are more so precariously positioned, with little equity left, ongoing financial pressures and no real benefactors obvious for the rescue.
WA are backed by Twiggy, and QLD now have Ballymore generating some revenue and healthy corporate support, but that corporate support wont remain if the Super Rugby keeps declining in interest.
But i believe they’ve only delayed the inevitable, the buisness model of a Super Rugby team in Canberra isnt sustainable long term under the current tournament design and grant distributions, let alone any state. But ACT are more so precariously positioned, with little equity left, ongoing financial pressures and no real benefactors obvious for the rescue.
WA are backed by Twiggy, and QLD now have Ballymore generating some revenue and healthy corporate support, but that corporate support wont remain if the Super Rugby keeps declining in interest.