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Next stop - the Ashes

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RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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ok, we need to change things up.

My team for the 1st Ashes test at the Gabba:

1 Simon Katich
2 Phil Hughes
3 Shane Watson
4 Michael Clarke
5 Ricky Ponting
6 Usman Khawaja
7 Brad Haddin
8 Mitchell Johnson
9 Ryan Harris
10 Ben Hilfenhaus
11 Doug Bollinger.

Then I'd only consider a spinner in Adelaide if we needed one on that pitch. Same as the above in WA and then when it comes to Sydney and Melbourne pick whomever is getting wickets. Unfortunately each of Steve Smith, Steve O'Keefe and Nathan HAuritz all play for NSW so won't get much action.
 

Spewn

Alex Ross (28)
Not a bad line up. Maybe a different order. Is any other batsman or bowler putting their hands up to be selected?
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Changes are clearly needed, we simply cannot persist with a constantly misfiring batting line up. Reg, your team looks pretty on the money, with the exception of keeping Paine. I reckon the bloke has done more than enough to justify his spot.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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yep, I did consider keeping Paine, and I've have no problem with him, but Haddin's batting has been special of late, and he'd be handy there supporting the rookie Khawaja.

Spewn, not yet. Domestic season has just started. Andrew MacDonald has just hit a big century.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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What more does Ponting need to fuck up before he gets the arse as captain? He, and the selectors seem to think they're in a different era
 

Spewn

Alex Ross (28)
If you look at each state side, it's slim pickings. WA : Mitchell Marsh is a great prospect but not for a few years. Shaun's not up to it. Robinson looks ok.
SA: George? Klinger gets runs every year but won't be selected. I like Ferguson.
Tas: Paine should be kept somehow. Noone else.
Vic: Finch perhaps. Rogers will never get a look in. Dave Hussey too old and not a test batsman. Ronald? Did he do enough last time he was selected? Pattinson looks ok.
NSW: As per RReg's additions. I like Hazlewood. Not Starc. Hughes should have another shot. Smith's spinning is not good enough yet.
QLD: there's some new bowler they have who is meant to be good. Reardon as a batsman. Cutting-he can bat too. Is carseldine too old?
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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BH, that's exaclty the problem for me - Punter thinks we're still in the glory days when we could bully any team any time. When you can do that tactically, you can have the attitude to go with it. We haven't been there for some time now.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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Yep, I pity our poor bowlers. Punter absolutely flogs them. No wonder Siddle broke down.

That is just bullshit. Its not Ponting's fault that these guys have to play 40 odd games every year, or play in scorching Indian conditions just after the conclusion of the 20/20 champions league. He has rotated his bowlers as any captain would, in fact I think he rotates them too much at times. I can't see how you can come close to blaming him for fast bowler injuries.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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BH, that's exaclty the problem for me - Punter thinks we're still in the glory days when we could bully any team any time. When you can do that tactically, you can have the attitude to go with it. We haven't been there for some time now.

I don't know what you are talking about here. I thought he was too defensive in the Indian second innings- he had the field right back almost from the get go. Think we could do with a little bit of that aggressiveness, think it is the reason we are going down the tubes.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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I don't know what you are talking about here. I thought he was too defensive in the Indian second innings- he had the field right back almost from the get go. Think we could do with a little bit of that aggressiveness, think it is the reason we are going down the tubes.

Wasn't referring to this test (as I didn't see it) and have also seen defensive fields as strange times like in the last tour here.
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
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by The Old Batsman (http://theoldbatsman.blogspot.com/2008/12/ricky-ponting-and-big-machine-xmas.html)

Ricky always knew he'd get to drive the big machine one day. Everyone told him that he would. At first he just enjoyed riding on it with all of the other lads. Mark was the driver. He kept on adding bits to the machine until no-one could stop it. Then one day Mark put on a shirt and tie instead of his cricket kit and started telling people about how the machine worked, so Steve began driving instead.

That was brilliant. If anyone got in Steve's way, he would pull his cap down really low and drive the machine straight at them. If they didn't move, Steve said to them, 'hey mate, this machine is going to run you over. Reckon you can take it?'. He called it 'mental disintegration', although the lads said it was just f'ucken sledging, like normal.

Steve took the machine really seriously. Everyone aboard had to go on these trips, which were like school trips, where you had to look at historical stuff and think about Australia and how great it was. Steve's brother Mark was much more fun. He would stand at the back with Ricky, and when Steve wasn't looking, they would sneak away to really fun places, like the trots or the pub.

Steve drove the machine for years. Ricky grew impatient. He wanted his turn. All Steve would let him do was stand on a table and sing the team song after the machine had run someone else over. That got boring, even for a simple soul like Ricky. Other people kept telling Steve that he should let Ricky drive soon but every time they did, Steve would pull out his red rag, blow his nose on it and score another hundred, even if he had a bad leg, which he usually did because he was really old.

Then one day, out of the blue, it happened. Someone threw Ricky the keys to the machine. He climbed the steps to the top and took his seat behind the big wheel. All around him, the levers and pedals glistened, because Steve had really looked after them. It was a fantastic view. Ricky didn't waste another second. He threw the machine into gear and started driving, running people over just like Mark and Steve had shown him. If the machine ever slowed down or hit a corner, he just had to pull the Glenn lever or floor the Shane pedal and it would speed up again.

Ricky couldn't work out why everyone made such a fuss about driving it. It was simple!
'Any idiot could do this,' he thought to himself.
He liked to drive with his foot down all the time. There were a couple of blokes in India that he didn't run over and everyone told him to watch his driving, but he'd shown them. He just carried on as usual, and soon the machine was running everyone over again. Even when he'd hurt himself and had to let this do-gooder swottie kid named Adam drive it back to India, the machine kept working. He'd made Adam give the keys straight back after, though. It wasn't his to keep!

He took the machine to England and started running them over, like usual. But the Glenn bit broke for a while, and the big fat boiler they called Matthew wouldn't make the machine go fast enough for once, and the rubbishy English wagon overtook them right at the end. And then everyone had a go at Ricky when they got back home! He couldn't bloody believe it! He'd pressed all the usual pedals. How was it his fault if they didn't work properly? Get a life!

John at the garage took the machine to the bush and had all the parts repaired and cleaned up. 'F'ucken' excellent, it works again' thought Ricky, and he drove it back and forward over England's wagon, which had loads of bits missing now. He kept using all of his favourite levers and pedals, too: Glenn, Shane, Matty, Adam, Justin... Magic!

One by one though, the machine's best parts disappeared. Ricky hadn't spotted that they'd been working hard for so long. He thought they'd keep going forever! Why would they want to stop - no-one could beat them. They even got a new mechanic, this bloke called Tim who said he'd been on a machine himself once, but Ricky wasn't sure that he had.

He told Tim what sort of things he wanted to put on the machine. Tim got him a part that looked like Shane, called Stuart, but that broke and Tim got all these other parts that weren't anything like Shane. He got another bit called Stuart who looked like Glenn, but Stuart was second hand and had a crack in him. Brad fitted into the machine where Adam used to be, but everyone said Brad was a bit more like this really old bit called Ian, who now watched the machine with Mark.

The machine worked okay for a while. Ricky ran it over India again, and he gave them a right old mouthful out of the window while he did it. People even moaned about that! What was their problem? Mental disintegration, it was called.

But then he drove it to India and the machine broke. Steam came out of it. Ricky couldn't work out why. He pulled all of the same levers and pressed the usual pedals, but nothing happened. What was wrong with the machine now?

He took it back home, where Tim gave him some really good news. South Africa were coming! Ricky needed that! If there was one team that went red and started crying as soon as it saw the machine it was South Africa.

Ricky climbed back on and pointed it at them. It spluttered forwards. He stoked the Matty boiler, but all that came out was hot air. He went for the Stuart lever but it had broken off! This old Brett pedal which worked now and again wouldn't move when he pressed it. Automatically, though force of habit, he reached for Shane button, but in its place were two or three others, and none of them looked anything like Shane. They made the machine do funny things instead!

The Saffer wagon moved alongside and rammed them. Ricky felt himself jolt in his seat. He didn't want to get rammed again, so he pulled over and said he wasn't going to race South Africa until he'd had the chance to open his Xmas pressies. That fooled them!

Ricky walked right up to all of the men in suits and ties and told them straight: 'this f'ucken machine don't work like I told it to. That ain't my fault, see. Some of these parts were just passengers, along for the ride. Why don't you go and ask them a bunch of questions, not me!'

In the dead of night, when no-one was around, Ricky got up, pulled on his CA trackie-dacks and went to look at the machine. It didn't look so hot. Why wouldn't they just buy him a new one instead of trying to patch this f'ucken old thing up? He pulled off the Krezja button. He wrenched the Brett lever until it was all twisted and ready to come off. He thought about the Matty boiler and all the f'ucken rattle it was making. He kicked and pulled and spat.

The sun came up. Ricky was sitting on the floor next to the machine. All around him were parts that he had pulled off. He realised that he didn't even know where they went. 'Sheesh,' he thought. 'They'll probably expect me to put all of these bits back'.

These people were impossible to please. They didn't just want him to be the driver. They expected him to understand how the machine worked too. Ricky put his hands in his trackie-dacks pockets. 'Hmm,' he thought. 'What should I do next?'

by The Old Batsman (http://theoldbatsman.blogspot.com/2008/12/ricky-ponting-and-big-machine-xmas.html)
 
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krejza was rubbish thats why he got flicked. he fluked that india performance.

I agree with Ham Clark should get a run but they will never play him.

they will come back to home soil and take the ashes pretty easily. not 5-0 but not to tough. the English bowlers will struggle here.

IMO the captaincy should be handed over. Katich? he would do a top job i rekon.

the spinning stocks arent very good atm but i think Smith is a good prospect his batting is top class too.

RugbyReg they need to play a spinner for the first test. personally i think Smith should get a go but i would say they will stick with Hauritz. good call on Khawaja though.

how about this?

1. Shane Watson
2. Simon Katich
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Michael Clarke
5. Mike Hussey
6. Usman Khawaja
7. Brad Haddin
8. Steve Smith
9. Mitch Johnson
10. Ben Hilfenhaus
11. Doug Bollinger
i don think its an issue of current order more current team. the only players who would be guaranteed there are Hilfenhaus, Bollinger, Katich and Watson at this stage. Haddin has to come back in no question but Paine is great for the future.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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I am becoming more and more sympathetic to Ponting as the years go on. He cops so much flak for our performances, when in reality tactical decisions are very low on the list of reasons for our demise. Take the two tests in India for example- some people want him to step down after losing two test in a row. But what was the reason we lost?

2 major batting collapses, one of which Ponting was a part of and the other he practically saved us single handedly. Very erratic bowling from Mitchell Johnson and Nathan Hauritz. Injury at the most crucial moment to Douggy Bollinger. General poor form from Clarke, Hussey and North. Poor selections in keeping those guys on despite poor form. In reality the fields were good (a little defensive at times but the wayward bowling meant he couldn't execute any plans), the bowling changes fine, the general tactics OK. And lets not forget if Steve Smith hits the stups its 1-0 Australia and India under a ton of pressure at home (a bit like Kurtleys kick in SA- the difference that one act caused was monumental on both sides).

Also I doubt we have a capable replacement waiting in the wings. Clarke is in poor form at the moment and captaincy is the last thing he needs. Same goes for Hussey. Katich would be the only one worth considering, but he is getting on and doesn't seem to be the most inspirational figure around.
 

Rob42

John Solomon (38)
Ponting has contributed to his bowlers' injuries by always setting overly defensive fields. OK, we don't have the Glenn button or the Shane pedal anymore, but when was the last time we lost a Test through being too aggressive with the ball? The bowlers have been flogging up and down to fields that don't pressure the batsmen.

And Ricky's excuse today that Hauritz was responsible for his own field settings was pretty lame. He won't be replaced before the Ashes, but we won't know if Clarke or Hussey are up to it until they get the chance. Not only have we been spoiled for batting and bowling talent over the last decade, we've become accustomed to superb captaincy since AB. In terms of strategy/tactics on the field, Ricky's just not that good.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
I don't have a lot of sympathy for Ricky really. His field placings are often way too attacking or way too defensive. He seems to be chasing the game all the time, rather than being like Brearley, Taylor or Chappell (I.M) would say: "being a couple of overs ahead of the play". He basically seems to chuck the rock to one of the quicks and says: "work some magic". Rob put it best, the bowlers are having to put in long spells and its partly to do with his captaincy.

My principal issues with Rick are that he doesn't seem that bright at times and he's a sook. He gobs off far too much for an international captain IMHO. He's still a terrific batsman, but needs to drop down the order now.

He's not the biggest problem, however, Andrew Hilditch is. For so many years, we've had a brilliant selection panel, who have brought guys in at the right time, taken a punt occasionally and generally just got things right. Unfortunately, I think they've now lost some of that courage to make a bold move at the selection table. We've need to rebuild the batting line up for a couple of seasons and the selectors have been afraid to do it. With Greg Chappell coming in, there is some hope.
 
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