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the NZ v Fiji game was just the same, NZ scored after time was up
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the NZ v Fiji game was just the same, NZ scored after time was up
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
He was kept back in Colts until this year, RH, which gave him plenty of time to perfect his craft. In 2010 he was very much involved in playing Sevens which resulted in him playing Thirds for Sydney Uni behind Brendenhann and Matt Schwagger in mid-season. Once he got into the Ones he really looked the goods.
I think he has a great future in the full version of the game once he gives away playing hooker and lineout jumper in Sevens. In my view he won't achieve his full potential if he continues to play both versions.
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RonnieP
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Bruce - As I mentioned, anyone who was going to make S15 from last yrs squad did - which included Nick Phipps. Nick wasn't playing in any of the games I saw so can't comment on him but will be aware for the future not to post any negative comments about him as he seems dear to your heart.
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
Ronnie, I apologise for breaking my own rule of not criticising new members.
Nick Phipps doesn't need me to stick up for him. He is already on track to make it in the professional game even though he has only played a very few club games at first grade level.
I am more concerned at other kids being written off as virtual no-hopers when they have even less experience in club rugby. It is unreasonable to make disparaging assessments from a tournament where we fielded an understrength and inexperienced side.
As for their chances of making it to the Super level I can think of one at least who I would be prepared to bet serious money on getting a Super contract within a year.
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Tom Lawton (22)
There is no doubt that we would have performed better had Phipps and Grant been able to play. I think given time this young team will perform better as the season goes on. The results so far in George and Dubai are similar to last season's results before we went on to make cup semi finals and finals.
I think there will be some subtle changes to the line-up for Wellington in February with the inclusion of some quicker players who are on the injury list at present.
I think there will be some subtle changes to the line-up for Wellington in February with the inclusion of some quicker players who are on the injury list at present.
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Rothschild
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Observer, you seem to be having a decent handle on the 7's players. Unfortunately I have not been able to catch much play and have seen nil of the Aussie Games.
I do think however that the expectations for this year's series would have been higher that what we have achieved.
What players in your opinion are vulnerable and who if any outside the current squad are on the cards to be included in future games if the performances don't step up?
I do think however that the expectations for this year's series would have been higher that what we have achieved.
What players in your opinion are vulnerable and who if any outside the current squad are on the cards to be included in future games if the performances don't step up?
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TOCC
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lets not forget that 7's is a development tool, weve been over it before, but going on some other countries, the IRB pays for the logistical side of the house and the ARU pays for any training camp and coaches. So any players taken into the tournament are really just a investment in the future for SuperRugby and Wallabies as the 7's still doesnt give a financial return.
It would be nice to identify a squad of the top 10 mature players and throw them on full contracts, but for starters Australia lacks the depth at that level, and financially its a black hole, one the ARU cant afford.
It would be nice to identify a squad of the top 10 mature players and throw them on full contracts, but for starters Australia lacks the depth at that level, and financially its a black hole, one the ARU cant afford.
We shouldn't be surprised with these results with the amount of talent that walked out the door. I guess we might start to see better results at the end of the season again once O'Connors worked some magic
If this is a true, direct development pathway for the Wallabies then there is an income stream attached.
In my mind, bolstering 3 names on the payroll (apparently the squad already gets paid ~ $20k a head), not 10, could make a bug difference to continuity and greatly enhance the pathway.
You never know, you might just create a product worth supporters & sponsors buying into.
If this is a true, direct development pathway for the Wallabies then there is an income stream attached.
In my mind, bolstering 3 names on the payroll (apparently the squad already gets paid ~ $20k a head), not 10, could make a bug difference to continuity and greatly enhance the pathway.
You never know, you might just create a product worth supporters & sponsors buying into.
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
I'm not sure it is fair to categorise the present squad members as "children", lily. Previous posters have highlighted two factors which may have been responsible for the disappointing result in the last tournament, i.e., the selection of an unbalanced squad overloaded with backs and the absence through injury of Grant and Phipps.
I would have thought that the selection of Phipps rather than Cottee or Sua had been justified by the fact that he was an integral part of the successful 2009-2010 Sevens squad plus his selection for the Wallabies European tour.
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Tom Lawton (22)
Rothschild, those vulnerable are;
Shaun Foley - lacks pace at this level
Jono Lance - Is not fit enough and doesn't seem fast. Lacks punch
Michael Hodge - Hasn't shown us much
Those inside the squad but not in the 12 who are a chance of a start in Wellington in February;
Simon Morahan, Qld flyer
Jesse Mogg, ACT recruit
Cam Crawford, Norths try scoring machine now with Brumbies
Jason Seage, Tahs Academy, signed from school to a sevens contract. In Darwin prior to Delhi games was 3rd fittest in squad after Nick Phipps and James Stannard. See him playing schools sevens here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6U7if63CyE
Ben Batger, Woodies seasoned campaigner, still has plenty of pace
Zach Holmes, good speed and a nice step from the Force.
Kyle Godwin, Force player on the cusp of selection. I don't know much about him.
A player most missed is ACT boy Jesse Parahi, a big mobile unit around 105 kg who killed 'em up at the Oceania Sevens prior to the Delhi games. He is unfortunately on the injured list. One player I would consider bringing in from outside the squad is young Lindsay Crook the recent Brumbies acquistion. Plenty of size and speed. Give him a crack!
Shaun Foley - lacks pace at this level
Jono Lance - Is not fit enough and doesn't seem fast. Lacks punch
Michael Hodge - Hasn't shown us much
Those inside the squad but not in the 12 who are a chance of a start in Wellington in February;
Simon Morahan, Qld flyer
Jesse Mogg, ACT recruit
Cam Crawford, Norths try scoring machine now with Brumbies
Jason Seage, Tahs Academy, signed from school to a sevens contract. In Darwin prior to Delhi games was 3rd fittest in squad after Nick Phipps and James Stannard. See him playing schools sevens here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6U7if63CyE
Ben Batger, Woodies seasoned campaigner, still has plenty of pace
Zach Holmes, good speed and a nice step from the Force.
Kyle Godwin, Force player on the cusp of selection. I don't know much about him.
A player most missed is ACT boy Jesse Parahi, a big mobile unit around 105 kg who killed 'em up at the Oceania Sevens prior to the Delhi games. He is unfortunately on the injured list. One player I would consider bringing in from outside the squad is young Lindsay Crook the recent Brumbies acquistion. Plenty of size and speed. Give him a crack!
lily
Vay Wilson (31)
I should be clearer. There doesn't seem to be a pathway for anyone who hasn't been picked up by a Super 14 team after Under 20s selection. They seem to be discarded and no matter how well they play in club rugby they are doomed to never be picked. Phipps is a good player and now is a worthwhile member of the squad.
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TOCC
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went out with the players.. the other squads have experienced sevens players, thats basically it... these players will get good enough eventually, but it will probably be just in time for the end of the season when the Super15 clubs come looking for recruits again.
grievous
Charlie Fox (21)
So what are the other teams doing that we dont holding onto their squad?
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
Apologies, lily, I didn't fully grasp where you were coming from. I agree with you that there are a lot of very talented players who are overlooked because they didn't make Schools or Under 20 selection.
The franchises tend to take the easy way out because their focus is often on exploiting talent rather than developing it.
I now understand what you were getting at with your earlier comment in this thread:
As I see it, a major reason why the national Sevens selectors have been systematically raiding Sydney Uni's playing stocks for the past couple of years is because of their superior physical conditioning. Uni players have a fitness base which means they can very quickly adapt to a professional playing environment. Nick Phipps is obviously a case in point.
I share your concern about the national obsession with prematurely promoting young players and ignoring others who have learnt their craft in a hard school.
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