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2011 Spring Tour

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Bob Davidson (42)
As we're only playing two games and taking 26 players, it is a much smaller tour.

The Spring Tour always has far more bolters when it is a 40 man touring party or close to.

Hard to pick To'omua when you're only taking 26.
Fair enough, but if Cooper isn't there and they are auditioning, then To'omua is one worth taking a chance on. He is a lot like Barnes I guess, but far more potential IMO. On another note I do hope O'Connor is not being considered as a 10. He is a 12 through and through from where I sit. Gits' OZ career has been cut short because of this silly idea that he could be an elite 10. The price of versatility?
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
That isn't really the only criterion you're basing your previous statement on, is it?

No, there are several. His receiving of the high ball, his kicking, his lack of ability to enter the line and link with outside players including most importantly his wingers.

I'll stand by what I said a accurate, but with the qualifier (just for you), that he is very poor for an international fullback.

Happy now?
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Fair enough, but if Cooper isn't there and they are auditioning, then To'omua is one worth taking a chance on. He is a lot like Barnes I guess, but far more potential IMO. On another note I do hope O'Connor is not being considered as a 10. He is a 12 through and through from where I sit. Gits' OZ career has been cut short because of this silly idea that he could be an elite 10. The price of versatility?

I feel like I have been beating my head against a brick wall saying the same thing!

There is two distinct groups on this forum - those that say JOC (James O'Connor) could be a great 10, and those that see him more suited to being a 12, and a great one at that.
 

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John Eales (66)
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Average at best. I was disappointed, but with Gits gone he has a chance to turn that around. There is nothing much he can do about his pop gun kick but he can take it to the line more to keep defenders guessing. I remember a brilliant running game he had in a trial against the Tahs in Canberra before the 2010 S14 and I thought I would see more of it, but it was not to be.
 

Brumbieman

Dick Tooth (41)
He Always seems to find himself on the wing or out wide, (i think 2010 he was the leading try scorer for a couple of weeks,and all trys were in the corner where he was hanging out) where the rest of the forwards are busting there guts to get to the break down. It would be nice also to have a back line that can clean out like the All Blacks..

We also need a hooker that hooks.

Part of the reason i'm a big fan of Fainga'a. He's about the only back who actually knows what to do at the breakdown.
 

biggsy

Chilla Wilson (44)
Part of the reason i'm a big fan of Fainga'a. He's about the only back who actually knows what to do at the breakdown.

big fan of him as well.... I more at ease when he is there.. eve more when Barnes is outside cooper...
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
No, there are several. His receiving of the high ball, his kicking, his lack of ability to enter the line and link with outside players including most importantly his wingers.

I'll stand by what I said a accurate, but with the qualifier (just for you), that he is very poor for an international fullback.

Happy now?

I disagree that he is poor under the high ball; it was only a few years ago that this was one of the key elements of his game.

I'm not saying that he's the best option for the Wallabies at 15, but you can't come out with such a absolute statement like you did and not expect to cop some flak.

I'm always happy, but yeah I would probably be happier if you articulated your arguments (which are solid) better.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Didn't see it posted anywhere in the thread, so apologies if I missed it. JOC (James O'Connor) likely to start at 10 on this tour according to the following article.

James O'Connor set for Australia fly-half role

Australia could give James O'Connor the chance to fill Quade Cooper's place at fly-half on the forthcoming tour clashes with Wales and the Barbarians.

Wallabies coach Robbie Deans has named a 26-man squad for the games on Saturday, 26 November against the Barbarians at Twickenham and a week later against Wales.

Cooper injured a knee as Australia beat Wales to World Cup bronze.

Australia are also without full-back Kurtley Beale (hamstring).

Prop Pekahou Cowan earns a recall and Robbie Deans' squad also includes three uncapped players in centre Ben Tapuai, full-back/scrum-half Ben Lucas and back-five forward Dave Dennis alongside a host of familiar names.

Cooper underwent knee surgery after collapsing in agony against Wales at Eden Park.

Deans says O'Connor, 21, is keen to test himself at fly-half having recently played mostly on the wing at Test level.

"It's very likely he (O'Connor) will get the opportunity to step up and accept some of the greater responsibility that comes with directing the game," said New Zealander Deans.

"He is 21 now and starting to grow into his body.

"As he gets older he will be more able to cope with the rigours of the frontline.

"He has expressed (a desire) that over time it's an area he'd like to play.

"Given our circumstance, it's possible you might see him there."

The Wallabies were beaten in the World Cup semi-finals and hope to return to Australia unbeaten.

They will face the Barbarians at Twickenham on 26 November before tackling Wales in Cardiff a week later.

Deans says Tapuai, Lucas and Dennis can bring fresh energy to their efforts.

He said: "Blokes exposed at this level for the first time bring an enthusiasm which is infectious.

"That enthusiasm will rub off, there's no doubt about that.

"We've already been through the emotional ride of (the) disappointment of not being able to beat New Zealand and we will have 26 excited blokes (on tour).

"We've got two tough fixtures and have picked the best team available. It's a great opportunity for this group."

Australia squad: Ben Alexander, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Berrick Barnes, Pekahou Cowan, Dave Dennis, Anthony Fainga'a, Will Genia, Scott Higginbotham, Matt Hodgson, Rob Horne, James Horwill (capt), Digby Ioane, Ben Lucas, Salesi Ma'afu, Ben McCalman, Stephen Moore, James O'Connor, Nick Phipps, David Pocock, Tatafu Polota Nau, Radike Samo, Nathan Sharpe, Rob Simmons, James Slipper, Ben Tapuai, Lachie Turner.

I think JOC (James O'Connor) is a fantastic tallent. I just hope he and Australia find his best position soon. James Hook is a good example of a multi-tallented back who's suffered due to his versatility. Also on JOC (James O'Connor) hopefully he'll get better treatment than QC (Quade Cooper) and he's kept in the line on attack and defence. It makes a big difference to an outhalfs ability to manage the game.
 

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George Gregan (70)
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Flair go: O'Connor comes in off wing at last
Josh Rakic
November 8, 2011
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Big time … three new bloods, from left, Dave Dennis, Ben Tapuai and Ben Lucas, have been called up to join the Wallabies team touring Europe. Photo: Quentin Jones

IT HAS taken World Cup defeat and an injury to star playmaker Quade Cooper to make it happen, but Robbie Deans has given the green light for livewire flyer James O'Connor to come into the midfield.

At yesterday's announcement of the 26-man Wallabies squad to tour Europe this month, the coach made two of the most exciting statements in Australian rugby by revealing O'Connor's likely involvement at the No.12 spot and Reds young gun Ben Tapuai as his cover.

The move signals a possible change in attitude from Deans before next year's heavy international schedule, the coach leaving the door open for footwork and flair at outside-centre rather than brute strength and impenetrable defence.
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While Rob Horne and Anthony Fainga'a retain their positions in the squad, Deans said aspects of the Wallabies' game were due for an overhaul, and he was excited at the prospect of what O'Connor and Tapuai, among others, had to offer.

''He's got very good footwork, so he captures the interest of the defence,'' Deans said of O'Connor, who spent time in the midfield for the Western Force in Super Rugby last season.

''They can't ignore him and slide off and capture others because he'll take advantage of that. And I guess he's been using his feet predominantly as a winger. What he's got to add to that is the team skills of working for others and recognising when to go and when to carry, when to pass and when to kick - and how.

''It's a totally different paradigm of thought. So while he's excited and willing, there's a lot he's got to learn in terms of getting it done. There's no doubt he'll finish up in that area, and he might get an opportunity in the short run.''

After a stellar World Cup following career-threatening head injuries this year, Berrick Barnes looks set to wear the No.10 jersey for the December 3 Test against Wales at Millennium Stadium.

As for the Barbarians match a week earlier, Deans said he was willing to experiment with both O'Connor and Super Rugby premiership player Tapuai at his disposal.

''Berrick is already there, and that's a role he's familiar with, James not so much at this level,'' Deans said. ''We don't have a lot of time obviously, so we don't have time to reinvent the wheel. And with a few blokes entering we can't be too ambitious in what we're trying to achieve in a very short space of time. So we have to go back to some extent to what's already established, but that doesn't limit us in any way. It's a matter of which piece we use.''

Tapuai was on standby to replace either Rob Horne or Pat McCabe when they were injury doubts during the World Cup, and Deans suggested Tapuai could be a long-term prospect at inside-centre for the rebuilding Wallabies.

''He showed in that Barbarians game that he's perfectly capable of [playing at international level],'' Deans said of Tapuai, who played outside Barnes in that match against Canada in August.

''That's the first indication where we've had an opportunity to see him beyond Super Rugby. Through the course of Super Rugby he established himself as a starter for the Reds and then he showed in that outing that he's more than capable of pushing on to the next level as well.

''We'd like to see him in-game. His background is predominantly inside-centre. He's capable of playing both [centres] but probably in terms of entering him at this level, that's where we'd look to get him started.''

Born in Brisbane but of Samoan heritage, Tapuai's performance for the Barbarians was nothing short of impressive for a 22-year-old debutant. Off-contract with the Reds at the end of next season, the product of the Southport School, in Queensland, has plenty to play for. ''He's got great rugby instinct. He's a genuine, natural rugby player,'' Deans said.

''He runs good lines, he's direct, he squares up the attack. He can offload, he's got good instincts in terms of support lines, so he often looms in support of breaches, and that's a skill that's often underestimated or overlooked. But it's that off-the-ball work that can be the point of difference sometimes. He's capable of being physical as well.

''It's an area we didn't have a lot in not so long ago. On the back of this tour and looking ahead to next year, there's going to be some genuine competition [in the midfield].''

Wallabies squad: Ben Alexander, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Berrick Barnes, Pekahou Cowan, Dave Dennis, Anthony Fainga'a, Will Genia, Scott Higginbotham, Matt Hodgson, Rob Horne, James Horwill (capt), Digby Ioane, Ben Lucas, Salesi Ma’afu, Ben McCalman, Stephen Moore, James O’Connor, Nick Phipps, David Pocock, Tatafu Polota Nau, Radike Samo, Nathan Sharpe, Rob Simmons, James Slipper, Ben Tapuai, Lachie Turne

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...ing-at-last-20111107-1n3v2.html#ixzz1dEoax2TY
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
'He's got very good footwork, so he captures the interest of the defence,'' Deans said of O'Connor, who spent time in the midfield for the Western Force in Super Rugby last season.

''They can't ignore him and slide off and capture others because he'll take advantage of that. And I guess he's been using his feet predominantly as a winger. What he's got to add to that is the team skills of working for others and recognising when to go and when to carry, when to pass and when to kick - and how.

what? as opposed to a foot model?

What he's got to add to that is the team skills of working for others and recognising when to go and when to carry, when to pass and when to kick - and how

Well that just about sums up all of the requirements for a back - and he still has to learn them?

I want some of what Deans is on - the mind altering substances not the money.....
 

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John Solomon (38)
"He's got very good footwork, so he captures the interest of the defence,'' Deans said of O'Connor...

You couldn't write this stuff. Lets hope the next addition to the coaching staff is these guys, it could really help.

[video=youtube;6emy-3hut1M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6emy-3hut1M[/video]
 
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It's amazing how quickly talent is turned over. Matt To'omua's potential was realised a few years ago but he is all but forgotten at the age of 21. He is, the type of 5/8th who can control a game and revel in the tight stuff. Yes, he had less than stellar S15 but I would have loved to see him on this tour with Quade C injured. He is, to me anyway, one of few players who might showcase better in the very tight arena of International rugby, than the looser stage that is Super.

To'omua was very very poor last year. He simply didn't look S15 level. IMO Lealiifano (sp?) offers more than him.
 

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George Gregan (70)
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Which year? 2010 or 2011? He was injured all 2011, if I'm correct.

He played a bit in 2011 and he was pretty average before being injured as well. Now that may have been because he was playing injured, but he was doing his work well away from the advantage line (except for kicking from hand which he did slow enough to be run down). He would get the ball 10m away from the defense and just pass it out, no threat no guile, no hope.
 
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