Wallabies Watch

[TOCC]

by seeing if there's more info to compare so i may, as requested, make a more informed comment than my previous one?

KB (Kurtley Beale)'s played a handful of games this year and most of them when the rebels were an absolute mess defensively across the backline, so i think looking at a broader set of stats would be better. don't see what's wrong with that.

Kurtley is a better defender then quade, his 2013 form in defence has been indifferent and people rightfully reserve the right to question his defensive form...

Quades defence is irrelevant since he isn't in the team, stats don't paint the full picture, Quade defends in a different location and plays in a different team..

So the point of the story, Kurtley is in the squad and his 2013 defensive form has been questionable..

 

[Braveheart81]

You'll have to excuse my terrible Photoshop Windows Paint skills.

 

[lewisr]

barbarian http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-cooper-omission/story-e6frg7o6-1226660992584

I have heard the O'Connor 89 QC (Quade Cooper) 83 percent quite alot actually.

Sir Arthur Higgins I don't have the statistics for other years, no. But that's not the point. I'm looking at this year because I think that is the best representation of a players CURRENT form. Looking to games over a year old for justification of selection simply doesn't seem logical to me. Deans has chosen a lot of non game fit players that have been injured for a significant amount of the season.

Don't get me wrong, they are accomplished players at test level, all of them (well most of them), but to claim that we should disregard this years statistics because they 'weren't during kurtley's more stable years' simply proves my point. What if those less balanced figures translate onto the field at test level? I also think you will find that a player like Aaron Cruden, who is the heir apparent to Carter, are not the best defensive players on the field (if you watch his games he is quite weak on the inside shoulder, yet the all blacks have no hesitation selecting him. Overall, I think we have to see this in the perspective that all players need to be analysed on a level field, particularly when it comes to facts and statistics.

Braveheart81 as much we wish we could eradicate all quade talk I don't think it will ever happen.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Scoey Sir Arthur may or may not be trolling.

If you think he is, then it is probably best to "do a Jooolia" and not take the bait.

If he isn't trolling but continues to post what you think is incorrect or snide remarks, then consider implementing Rule 9.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

barbarian http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-cooper-omission/story-e6frg7o6-1226660992584

I have heard the O'Connor 89 QC (Quade Cooper) 83 percent quite alot actually.

wasn't asking for selection justification. the selections are made, no one needs to justify them now. i was just curious what it looked like over a more full year. KB (Kurtley Beale) is tough this year as he's been out most of it and when he was in he was part of what can barely be called a defensive unit.

anyways, i've now posted about 5x on QC (Quade Cooper) today and i'm already bored of it!

moving on

 

[Braveheart81]

I'm loathe to post about QC (Quade Cooper) again, but I think the last quote in that article lewisr posted sums up the situation very well.

"You have to build a team around him, absorb his frailties, and back him to the hilt. I would. Robbie Deans won't. There is no way back for him while Deans is there. He will stand or fall on that, which is fair enough."

Deans tried playing Cooper with a game plan that didn't suit Cooper and it didn't work. If he doesn't want to base his entire plan around Cooper's style of play then it is crazy to pick him. That is why he hasn't been picked.

If McKenzie becomes Wallabies coach at some point and selects Cooper at 10 it will be interesting to see if he can translate that fast and loose style from being successful at Super Rugby level to being successful at test level.

 

[Ignoto]

So the point of the story, Kurtley is in the squad and his 2013 defensive form has been questionable..

I would have thought Kurtley's defensive form has been questionable since 2012. Hell look at the cardinal sin he committed in the French game of planting both your feet, Michalak danced around him to score a try

Seems it won't copy specific time, but go to 1hr 20 minutes

 

[lewisr]

I'm loathe to post about QC (Quade Cooper) again, but I think the last quote in that article lewisr posted sums up the situation very well.



Deans tried playing Cooper with a game plan that didn't suit Cooper and it didn't work. If he doesn't want to base his entire plan around Cooper's style of play then it is crazy to pick him. That is why he hasn't been picked.

If McKenzie becomes Wallabies coach at some point and selects Cooper at 10 it will be interesting to see if he can translate that fast and loose style from being successful at Super Rugby level to being successful at test level.

I completely agree on the building around cooper but not so much the fact the reds are all about loose play. Yes that is absolutely their forte but they have shown they can grind out a victory against purely defensive sides and that involve(s)(d) a more conservative game plan. Stormers in 2011 is a good example of this but there have been more.

It's one thing I really like about McKenzie (He says with Ewen as his profile pic and looking through red stained glasses). But in all seriousness, he is quite good at developing game plans specifically for the team that he's playing or those players he has available. Unfortunately the SA tour this year dented that reputation but he definitely has a knack for flexibility.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

haha (laughing at how i think my own comments are funny and how i forgot i wrote them)
onwards and upwards.

since the team for the lions is done and there isn't much super rugby between now and the RC
who do we like for call ups?

To'omua
Pyle
Godwin are my three favourites.

i think there is enough depth in the wallaby ranks at the moment for them to leave a few stars behind on the fall tour. give a few guys a rest who are probably pretty worn out and blood some younger guys like the above trio and a few more.

 

[Braveheart81]

i think there is enough depth in the wallaby ranks at the moment for them to leave a few stars behind on the fall tour. give a few guys a rest who are probably pretty worn out and blood some younger guys like the above trio and a few more.

I can't see this ever happening.

Unless a player specifically requested a break (which I doubt will happen. Players want to go on tours and play for the Wallabies), the best players should and will be selected.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

normally i would agree but when the season goes super rugby from february, lions tests, super rugby and finals, barely a break and then RC and then, what 2 weeks break till the fall tour, it is too much for all players.

bodies need breaks and it has to be looked at and considered in the professional era for the best interests of players, clubs and country. otherwise i think you'll end up with shortened careers, and injury interrupted seasons.

the all blacks already do it with sabbaticals. conrad smith missing out on tests for this exact reason. i think it will increasingly become the norm unless a global season is established which better allows for natural breaks.

 

[RoffsChoice]

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I thought we agreed to not talk about that game.

 

[Ash]

Can't believe I just rewatched most of that train wreck French game. A game Beale will want to forget, he made more mistakes in that game than Cooper did vs the Lions.

If you want a low risk 5/8, you have to take JOC (James O'Connor), Barnes or Lealiifano from our squad, and not Beale.

 

[Paradox]

Can't believe I just rewatched most of that train wreck French game. A game Beale will want to forget, he made more mistakes in that game than Cooper did vs the Lions.

If you want a low risk 5/8, you have to take JOC (James O'Connor), Barnes or Lealiifano from our squad, and not Beale.

You can also Watch the All Blacks in Sydney last year and I think it was the Saffas in Perth last year for some other horror shows from KB (Kurtley Beale). I hope he has his 2010 form back. The game in Brissy against the ABs last year was also terrible when we had about 2000 phases to get a drop goal...I can't even remember if we took the opportunity.

 

[Paradox]

I would have thought Kurtley's defensive form has been questionable since 2012. Hell look at the cardinal sin he committed in the French game of planting both your feet, Michalak danced around him to score a try

Seems it won't copy specific time, but go to 1hr 20 minutes

This as well

Ioane shoots him a filthy look for the second

 

[Scotty]

I'm loathe to post about QC (Quade Cooper) again, but I think the last quote in that article lewisr posted sums up the situation very well.



Deans tried playing Cooper with a game plan that didn't suit Cooper and it didn't work. If he doesn't want to base his entire plan around Cooper's style of play then it is crazy to pick him. That is why he hasn't been picked.

If McKenzie becomes Wallabies coach at some point and selects Cooper at 10 it will be interesting to see if he can translate that fast and loose style from being successful at Super Rugby level to being successful at test level.

Why does it have to be a loose style? The reds don't always play like that, in fact it is more the exception than the norm.

 

[Brumby Runner]

haha (laughing at how i think my own comments are funny and how i forgot i wrote them)
onwards and upwards.

since the team for the lions is done and there isn't much super rugby between now and the RC
who do we like for call ups?

To'omua
Pyle
Godwin are my three favourites.

i think there is enough depth in the wallaby ranks at the moment for them to leave a few stars behind on the fall tour. give a few guys a rest who are probably pretty worn out and blood some younger guys like the above trio and a few more.

Yes, I agree with those three but would add Henry Speight who is almost a certainty. But isn't a grand slam tour too important to be bringing in debutants?

 

[USARugger]

Apparently everything is more important than playing the #1 and #2 teams on Earth.

 

[Sir Arthur Higgins]

Yes, I agree with those three but would add Henry Speight who is almost a certainty. But isn't a grand slam tour too important to be bringing in debutandts?

I honestly don't think it is that important.
You can make that excuse all the time. Rugby champ is too important. Not a bledisloe, next year is too soon before a World Cup, we have to get our combos right.
Besides there is a game against Italy is there not?
Fact is you need to keep that depth building and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Palu, and others are getting older.
Speight on a wing for ioane
Godwin at 10 or 12
Pyle
To'omua
Kurindrani and maybe Inman in centres. 13 is a very shallow position for aus and not for the other top nations as much so some depth there would be great

 

[Brumby Runner]

I honestly don't think it is that important./quote]

My comment re importance was tongue in cheek. I do entirely endorse your thoughts. Cotterill from the Force might be another newbie to consider.