School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[Spieber]

In terms of your point about scholarships from year 7. The AAGPS code on sporting scholarships does provide an exclusion if the boy has been on an athletic scholarship since year 7. It is a blanket statement that all Heads of Schools are allegedly morally obliged to uphold as a foundation principle of the Association.

Where does it state Year 7 athletic scholarships are ok?
Code of Practice

In the light of these principles, the GPS Headmasters affirm the following code of practice:

1. No inducements such as sporting scholarships, whether direct, disguised, or at arm's length, shall be offered by any member school. Financial assistance to talented sportsmen shall not form part of the enrolment strategy of any member school.
2. We affirm that the Headmaster of each school is responsible for knowing the special circumstances relating to the admission of boys to his school.
3. In the selection and training of boys in teams or crews, the good of the individual boy shall remain paramount.
4. While allowing for some exceptional circumstances, we believe that it is poor educational practice for a boy to engage in a single sport throughout the year.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Opps. Well spotted Spieber. My OP should have read "The AAGPS code on sporting scholarships does NOT provide an exclusion if the boy has been on an athletic scholarship since year 7."

Edited above.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

There are two boys who are to all intents and purposes equally deserving of receiving the position at your School, apart from their attitude towards sports.
Do you award it to the boy who shows more athletic prowess, or the boy who is not interested in any sort of sport?

What I am about to say may well explain why I am not a teacher.
I would give it to the kid who was not interested in sport: unless he goes to the school he may never be exposed to the joy of all sport (within reason) and at the schools we're a discussing it will be compulsory.
So I would argue that giving him the nod actually achieves more bang for your buck in terms of holistic societal outcomes.
Now I may be talking horseshit - I can't be sure. Isnt there something about the lord rejoicing more in the repentance of one sinner than 100 devout and holy men?
Or was that Bruce Springsteen?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Those kids sometimes see the light that you refer to and eventually become the stalwarts of the grass roots club system because they realise and accept their own limitations but as late converts to Club Athletica, they just embrace and rejoice sport and tribalism in its most pure form.

Meanwhile many trophy hunting jocks are long since retired and give little back to the future.

Alternatively these geeky kids can contribute very well to the school in the pastoral, or non-sporting co-curricular environment in entirely unexpected ways that enriches the experience for their peers, themselves and the school.

As the Sir Humphrey would say to the Minister, it would be a courageous decision to not go with the young jock.

 

[Quick Hands]

What I am about to say may well explain why I am not a teacher.
I would give it to the kid who was not interested in sport: unless he goes to the school he may never be exposed to the joy of all sport (within reason) and at the schools we're a discussing it will be compulsory.
So I would argue that giving him the nod actually achieves more bang for your buck in terms of holistic societal outcomes.
Now I may be talking horseshit - I can't be sure. Isnt there something about the lord rejoicing more in the repentance of one sinner than 100 devout and holy men?
Or was that Bruce Springsteen?

No easy answer to the question posed. I'd say that you'd make a judgement call base on the quality/qualities of the boy at the interview and go with your gut feeling.

To support your point though, a close family friend's son won an academic scholarship at Grammar a few years ago (he's out of school now so probably started Yr 7 10 years ago). Anyway one of the things the family really said he got out of the school was playing sport. He'd never really shown interest, but when it was mandatory he played soccer for 6 years at Grammar and had a great time with his mates doing so.

 

[Jasdec]

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What I am about to say may well explain why I am not a teacher.
I would give it to the kid who was not interested in sport: unless he goes to the school he may never be exposed to the joy of all sport (within reason) and at the schools we're a discussing it will be compulsory.
So I would argue that giving him the nod actually achieves more bang for your buck in terms of holistic societal outcomes.
Now I may be talking horseshit - I can't be sure. Isnt there something about the lord rejoicing more in the repentance of one sinner than 100 devout and holy men?
Or was that Bruce Springsteen?

Neigh IS, it wasn't Lord Bruce.

 

[Quick Hands]

a connection to TSC you must have heard them boasting - I hasten to add not in the opens.

Which really makes you wonder why having an organic opens team, which is evidently the product of good coaching and facilities etc, they bothered with recruiting in the current 16s age group.

 

[Quick Hands]

Isnt there something about the lord rejoicing more in the repentance of one sinner than 100 devout and holy men?

99 actually, but who's counting?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Those kids sometimes see the light that you refer to and eventually become the stalwarts of the grass roots club system because they realise and accept their own limitations

Precisely - and thats what game is all about

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Which really makes you wonder why having an organic opens team, which is evidently the product of good coaching and facilities etc, they bothered with recruiting in the current 16s age group.

I think you're just being mischevious

 

[Quick Hands]

I'll be interested to see what the attitude is out at Stanmore now that the 150th is out of the way. Will we see a continuation of recruiting?

I note that their 16As were beaten by 50 points on Saturday.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I'll be interested to see what the attitude is out at Stanmore now that the 150th is out of the way. Will we see a continuation of recruiting?

I not that their 16As were beaten by 50 points on Saturday.

Yes.
Dont forget that this year's crop were brought on a 2 year deal so its not too late to bolster the ranks.
I also had the thought that, perhaps, they were being cunning and letting one go through to the keeper to keep you and me off the scent.
There's been serious recruiting in 15s from year 7 so I would not say it is quite out of their system yet.

 

[beserker]

Nothing wrong with a Commodore, HJ, just the thing for touch parking in Bellevue Hill between the beemers. But Shore and Kings's coaches should be made to drive round in a Prius until they sort things out.

 

[Lee Grant]

I note that their 16As were beaten by 50 points on Saturday.

And Joeys beat them by 58 points the week before.

But New fans should not despair: no doubt they will have a fine First XV in two years' time.
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[sarcophilus]

And Joeys beat them by 58 points the week before.

But New fans should not despair: no doubt they will have a fine First XV in two years' time.
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I thought they must have had a rostering system, New then Scott then...... With dispensation for anniversary years or they can find someone to swap with to line up anniversaries

 

[sarcophilus]

It would appear this years NSW u16 backs are mostly accounted for and nestled away. Has anyone gone shopping for forwards ?
I do recall overhearing a lament that jumpers in have not been able to get lifters of high quality and the presidents men did struggle against strong packs
surely tank drivers are needed in a good arms race not just fighter pilots

 

[Hugh Jarse]

sarcophilus, I like your analogy about the importance of tank drivers as well as fighter pilots in Arms Race, but be aware that a good Helicopter Gunship will defeat any tank battalion as they can stand off beyond the range of the tanks and pick them off one by one with their missiles.

Didn't All the Presidents Men struggle against packs of boys who had already made their Private Schooling Option?

The sellers in the rugby market are typically the CHS, CCC and Country Associations with the remainder being the buyers (AICES have handed their buyers licence back to the Regulator).

While there are exceptions to all rules, there is not a lot of movement between ISA/CAS and AAGPS.

There may not be too many Tank Drivers or Helicopter Gunship Pilots on the market for the War Toys Collectors to acquire.

 

[The Spectator]

sarcophilus, I like your analogy about the importance of tank drivers as well as fighter pilots in Arms Race, but be aware that a good Helicopter Gunship will defeat any tank battalion as they can stand off beyond the range of the tanks and pick them off one by one with their missiles.

Didn't All the Presidents Men struggle against packs of boys who had already made their Private Schooling Option?

The sellers in the rugby market are typically the CHS, CCC and Country Associations with the remainder being the buyers (AICES have handed their buyers licence back to the Regulator).

While there are exceptions to all rules, there is not a lot of movement between ISA/CAS and AAGPS.

There may not be too many Tank Drivers or Helicopter Gunship Pilots on the market for the War Toys Collectors to acquire.

Don't think the Presidents As struggled in the forwards. Closer game vs ISA but ISA pack has been hunting together for some time at Auggies and at Warringah so I guess was a better combination. Can't really replace that experience with 1 training run (or was it two).

But agree generally that the backs have been allocated so next cab of the rank are the forwards. Even ISA schools offers scholarships - is that against the spirit of their association?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Last time I went searching on the ISA and CAS web site, I think I was unable to find a statement as clear and emphatic as that on the AAGPS web site with respect to Scholarships in the ISA and CAS associations, but I think that there is an unwritten rule somewhere in CAS and ISA.

The ISA web site is a bit of a mongrel of a site to get any info out of. CAS is not too bad.

 

[sarcophilus]

Don't think the Presidents As struggled in the forwards. Closer game vs ISA but ISA pack has been hunting together for some time at Auggies and at Warringah so I guess was a better combination. Can't really replace that experience with 1 training run (or was it two).
?

I would have thought there was a similar number of players in the P1s pack familiar with each others games as the ISA pack if not Gordon: it would be MNZ/Sydney and a few years at the same schools.

The ISA school most frequently accused of scholarshipping (would you like the language in cutlets or sausages) would have lost more players to scholarships than accepted