NSW Barbarians tour to Argentina

[Pfitzy]

Its the same as it is now - opposing hooker plays "third prop" and pushes.

 

[boyo]

I didn't see the feed, only the highlights. Was this because on our feed the hooker was too involved in striking for the ball to push hard? That might explain why the feeding team was under pressure in both cases. If so, it doesn't presage well for the future. How did scrums get over this in the old days? Was it a case of both hookers striking so the process was evened up?

The opposition hooker attempted a "tight-head" (or a win against the feed), thus they tried to hook the ball.

 

[Lee Grant]

That's right - there used to be a hooking contest for the ball and it was not uncommon to see 3-4 genuine tight heads by an elite hooker in a game.

In the old days these guys were the rock stars of the forwards.

Of course they could only do this if the ball was put-in straight, and it was, because the referees enforced the straight put-in.

But today's refs can't enforce a straight put-in because the tunnel is not clear; so they have to close a blind eye to the put-ins behind the hooker's feet.

And the tunnel is not clear because players cant keep their feet in place because of the effect of the power hit.

It's a bit like the old nursery rhyme: "This Is The House That Jack Built."

Now so-called tight-heads happen when a side loses the hit, or somebody accidentally kicks the ball forward - or both.

Let's hope these new scrum ELVs serve to keep the tunnel clear, and the rest should follow.
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[Pfitzy]

I think it's more that the refs back then could be bothered adjudicating the straight feed, Lee.

Back then, the ref set mark, the players formed a scrum, and then he watched the feed.

In the 90s, referee controlled scrums were almost depowered and since that time hookers haven't really hooked.

I played a few years with an old guy who was ex-Parramatta reserve grade, and he could hook like a prize fishermen - really flexible through the hips. One time he got his knee up so high for a strike that he got me on the forehead!



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[Lee Grant]

PS - In the late 1960s the Pumas started using their bajada scrum and pushing opponents off the ball.

See the article about it written by our Bruce Ross, here:

http://www.gen3kinematics.com/p_jun_06.php
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[Santiago]

here folks

http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/videohub/video/clipDeportes?id=1868382&cc=5200

9:10 AEST today.

20:10 argie hour

ESPN EXTRA+ Salta, argentina (the stadium is ok but the beauty, in the day you can see the mountain as a background dunno about night)!

hope you guys enjoy the match

 

[Santiago]

if anyone has doubts about the language or don't understand a word (obivous, but you have curiosity etc)

i'll be in IRC Rizon in #bamboo so you guys can come and chat with me and a few buds about the match!

 

[Lindommer]

Didn't notice Matt Carraro's name in the original squad. Thought he was somewhere in the Old Dart, does this mean he's coming home?

 

[JT0406]

18mins in - Arg. 13. - Tahs 0 ...and Tahs scrum is crumbling every feed, it's a joke!

 

[Lee Grant]

Boy - this is like men against boys 20-0

 

[JT0406]

Agree L.Grant

Every basic fundamental of the game is imploding within the Tahs.

Trying to find a positive, ill keep watching.

 

[Lee Grant]

Argie in again 25-0. Lucas hooked already - poor - the new guy Faleali'i looks handy.

 

[Lee Grant]

Arg in again - too easy - 32-0 nearly a point a minute.

 

[fatprop]

Volavola does like to run sideways

 

[Lee Grant]

Gray looking reasonable.McCutcheon trying hard. Volovola poor but forwards not up to scratch.

Half-time 32-0 and Argies worth every point.

 

[Santiago]

The reason NSW playing like this

one of the main reason as you can see they are tired and their legs cannot move

SALTA the altitude there it's the most highest in argentina, so for australiansare REALLY not used to it

so they cannot do anything, and argnetina defenses is really cool, the mai nreason argentina gets tries is because of theri mistakes

and now we aren't doing a single one

 

[Santiago]

NSW is trying hard but they can't, argentina it's really really ultimate now.

i wasn't expecting this score.

 

[fatprop]

first half

Lots of pressure and lots of "lobby" "yours" passes but
Alofa Alofa doesn't look out of place, Skelton looks better and better, Tala Gray looks alright

Crawford, Mitchell & Horne as expected, are a level ahead some of these units

Scrum is getting slaughtered

 

[JT0406]

So, half time entertainment looks more promising than the Tahs 1st half game.

 

[Santiago]

don't ask me about what happened

..

i really don't know.