Wales v Wallabies, Cardiff, Nov 30 2013

[Cardiffblue]

Oh yes he is!

Met him have you? Oh god this thread has just come full circle!

 

[cyclopath]

Met him have you? Oh god this thread has just come full circle!

Don't be daft. Obviously, when people comment on the player, they are talking about what he is doing on the rugby field, not what he does at the supermarket, up the High road or in the pub. He was in every bit of crap going on, stepping on Cooper's hand and not actually focussing on playing 9.

 

[BDA]

EDIT: I was going to say excluding Khoder Nasser, but maybe the guy is smart enough to know that the players under his management are more marketable if they aren't perceived as f***wits..so maybe he has made the investment?

you mean the guy that manages Anthony Mundine?

 

[Cardiffblue]

Don't be daft. Obviously, when people comment on the player, they are talking about what he is doing on the rugby field, not what he does at the supermarket, up the High road or in the pub. He was in every bit of crap going on, stepping on Cooper's hand and not actually focussing on playing 9.

Actually pikey isn't someone I d chose to drinking with or down tesco. My point is that name calling is ridiculous and this thread is full of it. Winding up the opposite half backs is what he is supposed to do. He actually played well. And I'm not a great fan. Prefer Conor Murray and he's the biggest wind up merchant there is. But we can't pick him for wales

 

[cyclopath]

Actually pikey isn't someone I d chose to drinking with or down tesco. My point is that name calling is ridiculous. Winding up the opposite half backs is what he is supposed to do. He actually played well. And I'm not a great fan. Prefer Conor Murray. But we can't pick him for wales

How doers he wind-up Genia by stamping on Cooper's hand? I have to disagree with you as to how well he was playing.

 

[Ruggo]

Actually pikey isn't someone I d chose to drinking with or down tesco. My point is that name calling is ridiculous and this thread is full of it. Winding up the opposite half backs is what he is supposed to do. He actually played well. And I'm not a great fan. Prefer Conor Murray. But we can't pick him for wales

I don't know if he is a goose or not. I don't know if he is a regular at this sort of stuff as I don't watch much northern hemisphere rugby. In this game he did some silly things without doubt. I think he was trying to wind us up, went over the top and failed.

To be fair, us Aussies before getting on the soap box need to remember Quade Cooper went through this silly crap with McCaw.

Such a big lad could of found a better way to leave his impact on the game.

 

[Cardiffblue]

How doers he wind-up Genia by stamping on Cooper's hand? I have to disagree with you as to how well he was playing.

Dunno. Can't face emotional roller coaster of a replay and obviously lack your insight. But don't think he was an issue. First half problems lay at 13 and the ref who had thrown away the laws and common sense by half time. Btw anyone heard any whispers re this clear decision by refs not to give scrums anymore. When did that happen? Trouble is that if you're not going to give them you have to control game and particularly the breakdown using penalties, like we saw last night

 

[Ruggo]

Barnes is a frustrating ref. Can be very pedantic and kill the game from a spectators point of view. The flip side is it is up to the players to adapt. If you are going to be pedantic, you need to be consistent which I find Barnes isn't. A pedantic ref should have spotted the stomping on Quade by Phillips. He was close and appeared to be looking right at it.


I think he made it clear he don't accept input from his peers during the game either.

 

[KOB1987]

you mean the guy that manages Anthony Mundine?

yep..and SBW & QC (Quade Cooper)..Mundine is an obvious flaw to the theory!

 

[Cardiffblue]

Barnes is a frustrating ref. Can be very pedantic and kill the game from a spectators point of view. The flip side is it is up to the players to adapt. If you are going to be pedantic, you need to be consistent which I find Barnes isn't. A pedantic ref should have spotted the stomping on Quade by Phillips. He was close and appeared to be looking right at it.


I think he made it clear he don't accept input from his peers during the game either.

Spot on. Australia adapted better and quicker. My point is that in an insane way, this morning it worked as a spectacle. As long as you didn't think to much along lines go how did he miss that? Or why has he changed his mind on that rule? Or what the hell was that for, in the end both teams coped... Nearly. But I tell you what if this is some weird experiment and the international panel has decided to give only obvious scrums and do the rest via penalties, apart from Wales Ireland we are in for a dire 6n. The eye of mordor over in orcland will have noticed. Lancaster will be preparing his bombers to milk every tackle for an inevitable penalty. We will just have kick fest in mud come next year. What will make it worse is that attacking player holding on is seen as more heinous than defenders off their feet grabbing the ruck ball. Both sides lost attacking chances to the breakdown penalty rule seemingly for nothing. In second half Mowen was getting pinged for stuff he'd been allowed to do all first. The only thing Barnes was consistent in was he was wrong.

 

[Da Munch]

in another thread, about the suspension of kurindrani (are the IRB nuts?) i raised exactly this point ! Hooper being picked up at a ruck and driven and dumped on his head, but not even a penalty, let alone a card and there will be no citing of that i am certain. this is the inconsistency in the clamp down that goes on regarding "tip tackles" but this is equally dangerous but totally ignored.

Yeah, I remembered the post. I was looking for the one at 14 minutes in the second half, which is the only reason I found the second one. If you have a recording have a look at both of them, they are heaps worse than kurindranis as he is driven in both of them.
There was also a tip tackle on one of our forwards in the last 10 minutes*

* shite memory, so it could be anywhere

 

[BDA]

Just rewatched the game sober. A few thoughts:-
-Cummins is a machine. I must confuse to calling him average and "not test quality" 12 months ago. Not only in attack but in defense, he is happy to get through a lot of work, plays with intensity and aggression. He's the type of guy I wont on the wing in next year's bledisloe. Tomane was similarly as effective.
- perhaps biggest difference between the teams was the frequency we were able to get the ball to our backs in space. That is the power of having QC (Quade Cooper) is your side. The Welsh backs man for man match up well against us but they dont have QC (Quade Cooper).
- I'm pretty sure Fardy was born with a test jumper on.
- Hooper, Moore, Cooper and Folau all outstanding.
- Not sure what to think of Mowen's game. I thought he was pretty good, but his accuracy was lacking a times. gave away a few penalties, line out was messy etc. At the same time, he got a few steals, had a high work rate, and like his fellow backrowers he attacked the breakdown hard, which led to the odds penalty but the effort was what we want.
- Lilo & AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) proved that they are a decent back up centre pairing behind To'omua and Kuridani.

 

[It is what it is]

Just rewatched the game sober. A few thoughts:-
-Cummins is a machine. I must confuse to calling him average and "not test quality" 12 months ago. Not only in attack but in defense, he is happy to get through a lot of work, plays with intensity and aggression. He's the type of guy I wont on the wing in next year's bledisloe. ......snip.

One of my favourite Cummins moments came after time was up when he turned and chased his opposite winger.
Despite the fact that his opponent had stepped into touch some 10 metres back, he still crunched him from behind further down the sideline.
You can't teach his competitiveness.

 

[Cardiffblue]

Just rewatched the game sober. A few thoughts:-
-Cummins is a machine. I must confuse to calling him average and "not test quality" 12 months ago. Not only in attack but in defense, he is happy to get through a lot of work, plays with intensity and aggression. He's the type of guy I wont on the wing in next year's bledisloe. Tomane was similarly as effective.
- perhaps biggest difference between the teams was the frequency we were able to get the ball to our backs in space. That is the power of having QC (Quade Cooper) is your side. The Welsh backs man for man match up well against us but they dont have QC (Quade Cooper).
- I'm pretty sure Fardy was born with a test jumper on.
- Hooper, Moore, Cooper and Folau all outstanding.
- Not sure what to think of Mowen's game. I thought he was pretty good, but his accuracy was lacking a times. gave away a few penalties, line out was messy etc. At the same time, he got a few steals, had a high work rate, and like his fellow backrowers he attacked the breakdown hard, which led to the odds penalty but the effort was what we want.
- Lilo & AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) proved that they are a decent back up centre pairing behind To'omua and Kuridani.

From the other side, I think this is about right. As I said eons ago in this thread jiffy, our much maligned commentator, is our last truly world class 10. Gatlandball calls for size. They way cooper was able to concentrate attack on Owen Williams and offload was perfect. On the plus side, Jon Davies will never be allowed to be injured again so come next year we will close him down better. Moore was excellent around the park. He's definitely world class when there are no scrums. Jury out on hooper IMO . He got away with murder in rucks last night. It's not always going to work like that. Weaknesses in Australian team. Second rows, props, blindside flanker and depth on bench. Teams like the orcs, nz and as are still going to present problems for you.

 

[ChargerWA]

Ignoring all the posts above I was coming here to post three things after having finally caught the game.

Hooper was immense. Great to see him turning ball over and in that form will potentially hold Pocock out, which I hadn't believed at all until this point.

Quade has his mojo back but is also not making as many silly mistakes. A really mature performance.

Mike Phillips is the biggest dickhead in world rugby. Injects himself unnecessarily into every stoush and carries on with unneeded dirty shit.

 

[Cardiffblue]

Yeah, I remembered the post. I was looking for the one at 14 minutes in the second half, which is the only reason I found the second one. If you have a recording have a look at both of them, they are heaps worse than kurindranis as he is driven in both of them.
There was also a tip tackle on one of our forwards in the last 10 minutes*

* shite memory, so it could be anywhere

Dunno if it's the tackle I remember but there was one where he was lifted, went through horizontal and then the whole thing slowed down as he was lowered to the ground by tackler who realised there was an issue otherwise. Not really the same as kuradrani or warbs. Point I think is that neither of the latter was worthy of red card but that's what is happening

 

[Cardiffblue]

Ignoring all the posts above I was coming here to post three things after having finally caught the game.

Hooper was immense. Great to see him turning ball over and in that form will potentially hold Pocock out, which I hadn't believed at all until this point.

Quade has his mojo back but is also not making as many silly mistakes. A really mature performance.

Mike Phillips is the biggest dickhead in world rugby. Injects himself unnecessarily into every stoush and carries on with unneeded dirty shit.

There really is something in the water in WA

 

[Richo]

Mike Phillips is the biggest dickhead in world rugby. Injects himself unnecessarily into every stoush and carries on with unneeded dirty shit.

That is very unfair to Jimmy Cowan.

 

[Richo]

I thought it was a stellar performance, especially at the end of a long, emotional and uneven season.

Link has this team going in the right direction. Talent and hard graft were on display this morning. It was great to see some of the more criticized players have some very good games in recent weeks.

I'm optimistic at the end of this season. It's been a while. Bring on 2014!

Go Wallabies!

 

[Snort]

I'm in London at the moment, and my hotel has given me the Sunday Times this morning. Now, the Rugby correspondent is Stephen Jones, a cretin who loathes everything about Southern Hemisphere Rugby and thinks that a true Rugby match is played on a mudheap with a lot of rolling mauls. So I thought I'd see what he made of the game. He opens - opens! - with a complaint that there were no scrums in the first half, and lamented that as a result this wasn't a real Rugby match.

Now, is it possible to be more stupid than this? Even if you love the scrum (and I played at Sydney University when the scrum was a religion there), you must surely recognise that scrums take place after someone has made a mistake - when the ball is knocked on, or when the attacking team can't win it at the breakdown. What did this moron want the teams to do? Knock on a few more times so that he could watch a few scrums?

Truly, some people are so stupid, they're lucky that breathing is automatic. In the interests of fairness, Jones did admit that Australia was the better side.