School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[Inside Shoulder]

You have it in one. So, should all the GPS schools follow Shore and look to become selective, which school can they attend? It is not just illegal, but also immoral for a school to discriminate against those boys who have a few interests outside of being coached for the HSC.

Once they have all become selective, these schools will be doing a good job no doubt, but not with the same type of boy. For this reason the Scots rule breaking is but a parking fine compared with the moral challenge that faces Shore et al. The only light in the tunnel is that High may follow Scots and offer some entrance spots for some sporty locals.

What utter crap.
I didn't think you were talking about Shore because unless I missed something Shore is not academically selective, merely economically selective.
You would do well to look at the myschool website: http://www.myschool.edu.au/
Have a look at the Index of Socio-Economic Advantage - and the explanation
Shore 1187
Scots 1181
They should finish pretty close in the HSC based on the genetic material and economic environment. They dont.

 

[Dave Beat]

As an off shoot to private school scholarshipsto the above, historically;
rugby players also had professional careers, and the old private school tie.
league players didn't always follow the same path.

since rugby turning professional are we starting to see a change in this trend?

I'm all for scholarships, whether it be sporting or academic - it also comes down to the parenting. I want my kids being very busy with schooling (academic & sport) it will keep them distracted from all the other extra curricular activities.

Private schools also teach respect, and discipline - something that some public schools lack. Respect and discipline are beneficial tools to have later on in life -

 

[Brian Westlake]

Let's get to the nub of this forum - now 12 months and 12 thousand posts old: One school allegedly has a few rugby imports. The main complainants are from schools who because they are popular are now introducing academic entrance tests, or have always done so. These schools are looking fantastic as they power up the schools ladder, with a slight reduction in their rugby prowess ( put down into 3rds, didn't win a game last year etc). Because sport is so inferior to ATAR result we can even wade in and cancel basketball fixtures. But please take a moment to think through their actions. Yes, it is great that your school looks to be taking notice of academic achievement, HOWEVER it is a total fallacy that your child will achieve better by being at a school which selects academically. Your child will be in the lower streams. Well done. On the other side of the coin, it is an easy way for the school to look good. But it is just the same mistake as Scots importing a couple of players. It will not help your child.
Lastly, if you do think that your child will somehow benefit by selective entrance. then why are you wasting everyone's time bleating about a selective sports entry. Why not emulate it? Let's get rid of the hypocrisy - it's the first thing the boys pick up on. Let's put a stop to the reprehensible action of a few headmasters. Let's band together, find out what's best for the boys and full steam ahead.

If you are that hostile against your prodigy missing out, move.
I am sure that he may get a start at TSS,BBC or Terrace? Maybe part of the Ippys rebuilding program?
They can help out with remedial work, I am sure

 

[Brian Westlake]

As an off shoot to private school scholarshipsto the above, historically;
rugby players also had professional careers, and the old private school tie.
league players didn't always follow the same path.

since rugby turning professional are we starting to see a change in this trend?

I'm all for scholarships, whether it be sporting or academic - it also comes down to the parenting. I want my kids being very busy with schooling (learning / sport) it will keep them distracted from all the other extra curricular activities.

Dave, It is all well and good to offer, but and its a big but... First and foremost school is about education. Sport is an adjunct to this. You look at the recent crop of young men you have over at Manly and most of those boys went to school paid for by their respective parents. I say most.they seem to be a pretty good bunch of lads, lets not turn them into something you may not want

 

[Dave Beat]

Dave, It is all well and good to offer, but and its a big but. First and foremost school is about education. Sport is an adjunct to this. You look at the recent crop of young men you have over at Manly and most of those boys went to school paid for by their respective parents. I say most.they seem to be a pretty good bunch of lads, lets not turn them into something you may not want

Yep - 100% agree.

 

[Quick Hands]

Unfortunately all your points seem to have been sourced from the tuck shop. I only wish they were true but am probably more cynical than you. Oh, and I did check a couple of the school websites as you suggest. They only highlight the top successes. Tell you what - why don't we have a look at the average ATAR of each of the school's 1st XV. Then, on the fairly safe assumption that these students have not been selected for their academic ability, we could see what each school was able to offer an ordinary student.

Yes only the best performers are on the websites, but you've missed the point. All HSC attempts at a school go towards the "rankings" so a school's weakest students results will have the same effect as the best.

A couple of boys on one of the websites had been at the school concerned since kindergarten, so they must be really good at picking academic talent.

 

[Quick Hands]

This mention of 'good sportsmen' has confused me since it was first mentioned. You would assume that good sportsmen would be another definition of ''good all-rounders"

Then why is the school a perennial under-achiever at the AAGPS Athletics, where you would assume that all-rounders would excel??
Or is Scots' definition of 'good sportsmen' really 'good rugby players'

I only used the term "good sportsmen" so as not to ignite some of the more fanatical Scots supporters who don't like terms such as "talented athletes".

 

[Quick Hands]

What utter crap.
I didn't think you were talking about Shore because unless I missed something Shore is not academically selective, merely economically selective.
You would do well to look at the myschool website: http://www.myschool.edu.au/
Have a look at the Index of Socio-Economic Advantage - and the explanation
Shore 1187
Scots 1181
They should finish pretty close in the HSC based on the genetic material and economic environment. They dont.

He seems to have something against Shore as they are performing well academically but came last in the rugby.

I think we all have a fairly good idea why the 2 schools are no longer close in HSC results.

 

[beserker]

As you will see above, that quite a few of these boys have since gone on to GPS, NSW, Aus Schools and Waratahs. All of em can play footy but hardly dumb as a stump.
I honestly don't know why you wish to castigate the intelligent balanced athlete. Your kid not in the top class?

You misunderstand me completely. I don't want to castigate the intelligent student. I wish the list was as long as possible from all schools. But I want the schools to be held accountable for the lower achieving students as well. Lists that only highlight the top end aren't a valid measure of the work that the school does. Take-it-or-leave-it demands are puerile.

 

[Spieber]

He seems to have something against Shore as they are performing well academically but came last in the rugby.

I think we all have a fairly good idea why the 2 schools are no longer close in HSC results.

I think the gap is probably due to one spending way too much time rowing.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Posting in this thread has increased. School must be back soon.

Off season school changes will soon be known.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I think the gap is probably due to one spending way too much time rowing.

And the other wasting too much time rowing?

 

[Brian Westlake]

You misunderstand me completely. I don't want to castigate the intelligent student. I wish the list was as long as possible from all schools. But I want the schools to be held accountable for the lower achieving students as well. Lists that only highlight the top end aren't a valid measure of the work that the school does. Take-it-or-leave-it demands are puerile.

Please Berserker, if I misunderstand you completely, which school are you intending on denigrating? For I have absolutely NFI ( no f;&king idea ) what you are on about...
I actually started to doubt my sanity, but then by the power of our peers on here, realise that the tripe you are serving up is only to annoy.
TheBoard of Studies prints the high markers for all schools. Certain schools such as non selective lower socio-economic areas may not feature like.... James Ruse. These schools still have high achievers in them, just not as many as James Ruse. As far as one particular school making you sit an exam to get in, I think you will find that there are quite a lot of schools that have certain "requirements" for you to get in as you so eloquently state. I am happy theat the Westlake boys attended a school that required certain things of them, like participation, a willingness to behave, a strong ethic to their fellow students parents and teachers as well as their own communities at school and home.

Shit, I must have been lucky to get them in

 

[Brian Westlake]

Oh, as an aside, whilst both played and still play high level at school and uni, it is architecture and law that will pay their respective bills.
Not "oh you were 1st XV? Here let me give you money...."

Education Berserker, is remembered a lot longer than a schoolboy cricket or rugby match. For most of the general population anyway.

 

[Spieber]

Please Berserker, if I misunderstand you completely, which school are you intending on denigrating? For I have absolutely NFI ( no f;&king idea ) what you are on about.

Apart from an apparent hatred of Shore for neglecting the sub-70 ATAR students and rugby, I have NFI what beserker is on about - makes me want to take a few Clozarils to calm me down.

 

[beserker]

Oh, as an aside, whilst both played and still play high level at school and uni, it is architecture and law that will pay their respective bills.
Not "oh you were 1st XV? Here let me give you money.."

Education Berserker, is remembered a lot longer than a schoolboy cricket or rugby match. For most of the general population anyway.

You are very luck indeed. Luckier than me certainly. My boys won't get into Architecture. For them rugby is what keeps them at school. It is what get's them to participate. If I put the boot into Shore it is because it can show no noblesse oblige even though it is currently on the top of the heap.
The purpose of school is that our children can think for themselves. For some of us this is more critical than what job we get. The purpose of school is so that each student can become the best that they can become. The purpose of school is to be able to glean an answer to the important questions that we face. I wish you well.

 

[lincoln]

You are very luck indeed. Luckier than me certainly. My boys won't get into Architecture. For them rugby is what keeps them at school. It is what get's them to participate. If I put the boot into Shore it is because it can show no noblesse oblige even though it is currently on the top of the heap.
The purpose of school is that our children can think for themselves. For some of us this is more critical than what job we get. The purpose of school is so that each student can become the best that they can become. The purpose of school is to be able to glean an answer to the important questions that we face. I wish you well.

Esse quam videre!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

In what way does shore fail to exhibit noblesse oblige and why should it?

 

[I like to watch]

They are a couple of hundred short in educating the masses,by way of bursaries to good sportsmen.
If they did,it would probably also assist in bringing parity with another GPS School in regards to academic "excellence".

 

[dodgyknee]

In what way does shore fail to exhibit noblesse oblige and why should it?

most private schools are religious schools, thats a pretty good reason for showing it, and doing it. Being a qlder, and after what has happened to schools up here, it seems like rules of aagps system may need an overhaul, as there seem to be a lot of unproven accusations being spread, even after reports have shown no wrong doing, and false reports in papers very bias for a. Story are shown to be incorrect. Don't blame schools who are scared, making initial accusations( probably because the headmasters are being questioned by parents why they are not doing so well lately) , but those questions have been answered in reports, and nothing proving otherwise. I wish we could see reports from other schools who made accusation , it would prevent more accusations. I think we will find that most of the schools making accusations will all be back playing each other very soon, if morals and fair judgement shine through. Someone check my spelling, as exposed on my previous posts, this is on phone without the forum app .sorry. I suppose if the schools had the funds, and they are religious schools, the more kids that can go to schools like all these schools free if they can't afford it ,the better for there religious hsc results score . Scholarships should be about talent in whatever area you choose, academics or sport, not money, or dates of arrival at schools.