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Based on history we would have to be a 50% chance of defeating England. We'd be a 90% chance of defeating Wales.
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Based on history we would have to be a 50% chance of defeating England. We'd be a 90% chance of defeating Wales.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
We lost the game to England last EOYT because of Genia's shit box kick, off our line, that was subsequently charged down and the Pommies got 7 points. The game totally changed at that point.
I think we are now not that stupid (I hope)
I think we are now not that stupid (I hope)
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There were a couple of major refereeing blunders as well.
Not complaining, merely saying we were well in the game.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Mate, I was over in Europe and went to the game. You could "see" the effect of THAT play on the demeanour out on paddock I was filthy at the time.
We would have won a Grand Slam !!!!!!
BabyBlueElephant
Darby Loudon (17)
Or you could get a much thorough test early on and have a competitive advantage going into the quarter finals where the other teams could relatively undercooked.
I wouldn't worry about fatigue too much, it'll hit every squad equally by the quarter finals, itll be more down to the physio set up by that stage.
BabyBlueElephant
Darby Loudon (17)
As if this was really in too much doubt anyway. Confirmation anyway.
http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,16024_9515452,00.html
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Reckon the latest saga will fade and McKenzie will not only take us to RWC but will get an extension of a further 3 years - similar to Robbie.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
I'm happy for him to take us to the RWC. He deserves that.
Unless we only win say 1 or no games on this tour. Then I would say a red light would go off and something drastic will need to be done.
Marcelo
Ken Catchpole (46)
The biggest problem with the next WC is the depth of our squad, we always talk about the dream team with: James Slipper, Stephen Moore, Sekope Kepu, David Pocock, Michael Hooper, Wycliff Palu, Will Genia, Quade Cooper, Henry Speight, James O'Connor, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Folau and others but that never happens, we will never have all of them at once, and our bench isn't the same level than NZ bench or SA bench.
That's my biggest fear, for example, we don't have top class replacements for James Slipper nor Sekope Kepu. At the hooker is where we have more depth with Stephen Moore and TPN, but right now both are injured. So if Slipper or Kepu are injured will be a real catastrophe and we don't have world class replacements for them.
Yeah but I'm not sure. Argies managed to beat us after 17 years. That could be an extra motivation for the Welsh, they were close to doing at times. If the team doesn't improve, it could happen
That's my biggest fear, for example, we don't have top class replacements for James Slipper nor Sekope Kepu. At the hooker is where we have more depth with Stephen Moore and TPN, but right now both are injured. So if Slipper or Kepu are injured will be a real catastrophe and we don't have world class replacements for them.
Yeah but I'm not sure. Argies managed to beat us after 17 years. That could be an extra motivation for the Welsh, they were close to doing at times. If the team doesn't improve, it could happen
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
The biggest problem with the next WC is the depth of our squad, we always talk about the dream team with: James Slipper, Stephen Moore, Sekope Kepu, David Pocock, Michael Hooper, Wycliff Palu, Will Genia, Quade Cooper, Henry Speight, James O'Connor, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Folau and others but that never happens, we will never have all of them at once, and our bench isn't the same level than NZ bench or SA bench.
That's my biggest fear, for example, we don't have top class replacements for James Slipper nor Sekope Kepu. At the hooker is where we more depth with Stephen Moore and TPN, but right now both are injured. So if Slipper or Kepu are injured will be a real catastrophe and we don't have world class replacements for them.
Yeah but I'm not sure. Argies managed to beat us after 17 years. That could be an extra motivation for the Welsh, they were close to doing at times. If the team doesn't improve, it could happen
Scott Sio. Benn Robinson.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Thery are both LH's unless Scott can or has to make the change to THP
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Marcelo
Ken Catchpole (46)
They aren't top class players
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
On form both Robinson and Sio are top class. Your asking for a bit much don't you think? We can't have a TPN and Moore in each position. I don't think the All blacks even have that kind of depth in each position.
Marcelo
Ken Catchpole (46)
NZ and SA have more depth. We have that kind of depth in all positions less at the front row and second row.
I'm worried because sometimes we have problems in the scrum even with Slipper and Kepu together, then when they aren't is a real disaster as the second half against Argies in Gold Coast this year. Then Sio and Robinson aren't top class, with ALL the problems we've had in the scrum I can't believe there are people who say Sio and Robinson are top class.
Both, England and Wales have better front row than us and both are going to play at home, what that means. We can't afford to have ONE injured in our front row for those battles in the next WC.
There is still a long Super Rugby season and a lot of test matches before the WC, plus we haven't had luck with injuries
Citing a game that neither of them played probably wasn't the best piece of evidence.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Kepu and Slipper have been very durable for quite a while. Hopefully that continues. It is actually good management FOR both players that they get replaced at 50-60 odd minutes during test matches, even though a fatiged Keps and Slipper are probably still better than the bench.
The big problem has been when they are replaced the game just seems to change (well our intensity) a degree, 2 or 5.
It is the same with Hooker - Moore offers all, TPN maybe a degree or 2 less but thereafter, probably 5 - 10% less.
Its a game of percentages
The big problem has been when they are replaced the game just seems to change (well our intensity) a degree, 2 or 5.
It is the same with Hooker - Moore offers all, TPN maybe a degree or 2 less but thereafter, probably 5 - 10% less.
Its a game of percentages
Marcelo
Ken Catchpole (46)
Ok, Robinson and Sio are top class players. Then Wallabies have the best front row in the world with 6 top class players: Moore, TPN, Slipper, Kepu, Sio and Robinson!
Then all the problems we have had in the scrum in these years were just a figment of my imagination and the Wallabies have won the last 3 Bledisloe Cups
No one is suggesting our prop stocks are amazing, particularly below our starting XV options.
If you want to discuss it though, at least try and use some reasoning.
Robinson has a lot of experience and is generally considered a good scrummager. Seemingly he was behind Sio and Cowan because his workrate round the field is inferior. Sio got injured and now Robinson is preferred ahead of Cowan so presumably Robinson's scrummaging is rated as superior and that is winning him the spot now.
Sio is also a LHP who McKenzie suggested would be trained up for THP at the start of the test season. He's subsequently been injured and hasn't played since.
Our THP options are probably where we have a problem. Alexander is a clear backup to Kepu but he struggles badly at times. Behind him we've got Laurie Weeks.
If you want to discuss it though, at least try and use some reasoning.
Robinson has a lot of experience and is generally considered a good scrummager. Seemingly he was behind Sio and Cowan because his workrate round the field is inferior. Sio got injured and now Robinson is preferred ahead of Cowan so presumably Robinson's scrummaging is rated as superior and that is winning him the spot now.
Sio is also a LHP who McKenzie suggested would be trained up for THP at the start of the test season. He's subsequently been injured and hasn't played since.
Our THP options are probably where we have a problem. Alexander is a clear backup to Kepu but he struggles badly at times. Behind him we've got Laurie Weeks.
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