Waratahs v Brumbies, round 6, Sunday 22 March

[Godfrey]

I need to re-watch this game more in-depth, but I have to agree with Fitzy on Carraro, the presence of a rugby brain like that is really undervalued sometimes.

 

[Viking]

Folay has to be the best support runner in world rugby. Just always pops up at the right time.

Apart from basically the whole NZ backline. But he is good in that area.

Its probably too late now but I think the Tahs should of had Beale at 10 and Foley at 12.

 

[Froggy]

Apart from basically the whole NZ backline. But he is good in that area.

Its probably too late now but I think the Tahs should of had Beale at 10 and Foley at 12.

It's been tried, he tends to run across field too much. That's why Cheika likes Foley at 10, he straightens the attack and runs right to the line. Beale seems to enjoy the extra space 12 gives him.

 

[fatprop]

Yeah, Beale isn't a 10, he is better without the running the team responsibilities

 

[Brumby Runner]

I think the only thing that really made it controversial was the fact that it was originally given as a knock on with a Waratahs scrum feed and then there was a significant break in play due to injury which led to replays being watched and the TMO getting involved.

I think a yellow card was the correct decision but the way it was arrived at was a little dubious.

I guess replays will be shown when there is a break in play and issues will be highlighted if they are there. Once an issue comes to light and play hasn't already moved on, it does seem like addressing it is the correct course of action even if it was initially missed.

Referees should go back on decisions if they are made aware that they got the decision wrong in a reasonable period of time.

BH I think you've pretty well nailed it here. But in the case of the alleged Foley knock down/on (which I have to say I missed. I thought Henry had taken it cleanly and was on his way to the try line) would you say that setting a scrum for the knock on qualifies as sufficient break to allow the incident to be reviewed? Just not sure whether you're saying it should have been reviewed or that the opportunity wasn't there to allow a review.

 

[Braveheart81]

BH I think you've pretty well nailed it here. But in the case of the alleged Foley knock down/on (which I have to say I missed. I thought Henry had taken it cleanly and was on his way to the try line) would you say that setting a scrum for the knock on qualifies as sufficient break to allow the incident to be reviewed? Just not sure whether you're saying it should have been reviewed or that the opportunity wasn't there to allow a review.

I'm not aware of that incident yet. I haven't watched a replay of the game yet.

It's hard to put a timeframe on when something needs to be reviewed except to say that play can't have been restarted. If players are injured and receiving treatment there is lots of time and replays will be shown and incidents like Fardy's will be highlighted and referees/assistants/TMO will deal with it. If there isn't a forced break due to injury, it's likely that the incident will be missed entirely if not immediately picked up.

In general you want to arrive at the correct/best decisions as much as possible without adding unnecessary stoppages.

 

[barbarian]

The differences in the knock-downs wasn't to do with time, it had to do with Joubert's position for both incidents.

In the Fardy case he wasn't in a great spot, and thus went off the touchie call. When the first replay was shown, the touchie said to Joubert 'actually you might want to take a look at that'. Since Joubert didn't see the original incident that well, he again took his touchie's advice and went upstairs.

In the second incident, Joubert was right there and made the call. This is why he didn't feel the need to go upstairs, no matter how the Brumbies complained.
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[Marcelo]

Any news about Kuridrani's shoulder? I'm really worried about him

 

[Tomikin]

looks like it was JacPot who called someone fagged. 20k fine 10k suspended. Good it's delta with move on

 

[ShtinaTina]

Any news about Kuridrani's shoulder? I'm really worried about him

He's out for 8weeks
http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-union/uni...ks-after-shoulder-injury-20150323-1m5dxi.html

 

[Brumby Runner]

The differences in the knock-downs wasn't to do with time, it had to do with Joubert's position for both incidents.

In the Fardy case he wasn't in a great spot, and thus went off the touchie call. When the first replay was shown, the touchie said to Joubert 'actually you might want to take a look at that'. Since Joubert didn't see the original incident that well, he again took his touchie's advice and went upstairs.

In the second incident, Joubert was right there and made the call. This is why he didn't feel the need to go upstairs, no matter how the Brumbies complained.
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But one of the criticisms is that the officials reacted either to the crowd noise or to what they saw on the big screen. I don't think the AR suggested to Joubers that he might like to have a look at the Fardy incident until after it had been replayed on the screen. It might be better for replays not to be shown at all if they can't be shown in all cases. Certainly leaves an impression that there is some hometown advantage accruing in games. as has been suggested by people attached to the game of much more authority than us mere posters on the internet.

 

[Pfitzy]

Did you have your ears on barb? Some bloke in front of me did, then realised he couldn't hear fuck all anyway with some loud yahoo actually daring to CHEER behind him.

 

[Marcelo]

He's out for 8weeks
http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-union/uni...ks-after-shoulder-injury-20150323-1m5dxi.html

He should rest until the WC. He's so important for the Wobs

 

[boyo]

^^ @Tordah, There are people who believe that the Earth is flat.

One of them is Tony Abbott

 

[barbarian]

Did you have your ears on barb? Some bloke in front of me did, then realised he couldn't hear fuck all anyway with some loud yahoo actually daring to CHEER behind him.

Yeah. One of the nice parts about being in the press box- I get a thick wall of glass to separate me from people like you.
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[Pfitzy]

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

 

[fatprop]

But one of the criticisms is that the officials reacted either to the crowd noise or to what they saw on the big screen. I don't think the AR suggested to Joubers that he might like to have a look at the Fardy incident until after it had been replayed on the screen. It might be better for replays not to be shown at all if they can't be shown in all cases. Certainly leaves an impression that there is some hometown advantage accruing in games. as has been suggested by people attached to the game of much more authority than us mere posters on the internet.

There will always be home town advantage, it rewards a vocal, partisan home crowd

 

[formerflanker]

There will always be home town advantage, it rewards a vocal, partisan home crowd

Add that to the HUUUUUGE screen at the same end of the ground - no way did Joubert miss the intent of the knock-down.

 

[fatprop]

Add that to the HUUUUUGE screen at the same end of the ground - no way did Joubert miss the intent of the knock-down.

I liked Phipp's comment in the pre game stuff "it was nice of Issie to lend them one of his TVs"

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Watched the game last night and thought it was terrific stuff. Everything I had hoped for in terms of a knock em down drag em out brawl in the forwards eventuated. I particularly enjoyed the battle in the scrum and at the breakdown. The mauls were a mess, but I'll forgive the Tahs for fringing a lot of the time, because the rolling maul is legalised obstruction anyway. I'm actually happy that there's a bit of chaos there.

Some big pluses for me were seeing Will Skelton playing big minutes and taking the ball in the lineout. That will certainly help his Wallaby chances. Pocock being on the paddock goes without saying and hopefully he'll keep getting better each week. Carraro as a bunch of other people said had a great game and shut down TK pretty well. Hooper was very strong as well.

It was great to see plenty of aggression from both packs, but the Tahs were clearly better.