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TOCC

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Cheika has been quoted since and denied those claims


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Ozee316

Ward Prentice (10)
You've pretty much summed up my position. I think people need to realise is that $50m a year is not a lot of money when competing in our marketplace. While it's a significnat boost it's not enough to assume the good times are back. They're not. Both the ARU and we as the Rugby community need to recognise that it is in our best interests to grow the game with an eye on hopefully doubling that figure again come the next round of negotiations.

Agree. The ARU should mend fences with the Shute shield clubs. The old saying is that people start fighting when the money runs out.

The ARU wouldn't have a problem with small payments if there was enough to go around for which the Shute Shield clubs probably blame the ARU and around we go. If NRC players get some more money this will lighten the load on the Shute Shield since this is roughly 50 top Sydney players getting paid. Albeit on a semi-pro basis. It's cleaner if it's all from one source but if some comes from Shute then some from NRC so be it.
 

A mutterer

Chilla Wilson (44)
Except there isn't enough money to go around, and clubs will likely spend it on CAPEX or manpower that doesn't grow the base.

If the ARU provides any additional funding it should be on a competitive tender basis with measurable KPI's against which success of the project determines ongoing funding. The ARU should hold the strings and should hold clubs accountable for delivering on specific projects.
 

7083

Allen Oxlade (6)
So it's disgraceful from the ARU that NSWRL clubs pay the cost of SG Ball and Harrold Matthews is your point?

I think you have completely missed my point and just want to complain about the ARU.




So let me see if I'm getting your point.... You think it's fine to ask kids/families to pay $660 to play reps when our major rival code charges kids/families nothing?
Tell me again why many kids are leaving our sport? Sorry but I'm just a mere working class, public school old boy that wants ANY kid playing our sport not just those that can afford it.
 
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Train Without a Station

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You have missed the whole point.

The rival code does not charge them nothing.

The cost is just paid for by the clubs of the rival code.
 

Dave Beat

Paul McLean (56)
In our code the clubs even give the NRC money to get started.

Excepts if you are a Super Club that receives funding from the ARU.
 
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Train Without a Station

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The Super Clubs don't have their entire program funded. It primarily has the player wages funded.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
If our code generated enough money to keep everyone happy, that would be great.


But it doesn't. So tough choices have to be made.



Opinions are like bumholes. Everyone's got one.
 

Dave Beat

Paul McLean (56)
If our code generated enough money to keep everyone happy, that would be great.


But it doesn't. So tough choices have to be made.



Opinions are like bumholes. Everyone's got one.


Spot on - i was only referencing a point when TWAS possibly inaccurately responded to 7083's post in #846.

Yes unfortunately in the JGC players or parents are paying, and in league it is paid for by clubs who receives funding by ARU.

In NSW it appears the JGC teams are aligned to the NRC teams and in NSW's case a number of the clubs have provided the funding for the NRC teams.



An explanation / question i have shared previously;

Lets not use rugby as an example.

  • Starting a business from scratch involves, money, time, risk.
  • Getting carried by a business that is externally funded carries non of this.
Then to have the latter source materials etc from the heart of the business just starting out is not successful business practice.

Then to have the governing body of these business, who started this new market - well I don't know how to best explain that one so I'm not going to..


Now relate this to the NRC.
 
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Train Without a Station

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The clubs that the rival code gives money to are he equivalent of the franchises which the ARU supports.

The reason they need to be supported is because they really don't see an adequate share of the TV revenue until now.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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So let me see if I'm getting your point.. You think it's fine to ask kids/families to pay $660 to play reps when our major rival code charges kids/families nothing?
Tell me again why many kids are leaving our sport? Sorry but I'm just a mere working class, public school old boy that wants ANY kid playing our sport not just those that can afford it.


The alternative is that the competition doesn't exist. Clearly there is a substantial gap between the finances of the two sports and most of that capacity in rugby league is driven by poker machine revenue from licensed clubs.

Yes unfortunately in the JGC players or parents are paying, and in league it is paid for by clubs who receives funding by ARU.


The junior rugby league rep competitions are almost certainly paid for poker machine revenue from the many licensed clubs. I don't believe the NRL is directly financing these competitions and their distributions to clubs are to cover the salary cap in much the same way as the Super Rugby teams receive funding from the ARU.

Overall I think there are very few junior sports where participation at any representative level (no matter how high up) is entirely funded by the organising body and not directly funded by the participants both out of their own pockets and through their own fundraising.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Staff member
A few people are calling for Jake McIntyre to be dropped from the Reds after todays fixture against the Waratahs.

IIRC he has spent time in elite development squads like Aust Schoolboys, and Aust U20's, and he has done time in QPR and NRC,

Is his rise (or failure) due to the Papworth Doctrine, which states that Premier Clubs develop and prepare players for Super Rugby?

Is there another 10 in QPR that hasn't spent time in elite rep squads since they were 15 years old who has been "developed" by Premier Rugby Clubs that is ready to step up to the mark for the Reds?
 

Teh Other Dave

Alan Cameron (40)
Is his rise (or failure) due to the Papworth Doctrine, which states that Premier Clubs develop and prepare players for Super Rugby?

Is there another 10 in QPR that hasn't spent time in elite rep squads since they were 15 years old who has been "developed" by Premier Rugby Clubs that is ready to step up to the mark for the Reds?

Yes but unfortunately Shane Drahm has been retired for nearly a decade now.
 

formerflanker

Ken Catchpole (46)
I haven't seen Manly play this season but surely Sam Lane should be on the Reds radar as a 10. I think he is over his injuries.
 
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