Waratahs v Brumbies - Round 8, 2016

[fatprop]

Hooper seems to have become a liability at ruck time at the moment and having no great positive impact to offset it. I wonder if this has come from having less focus on this area from playing with Pocock. (Or not needing this focus).

More about the game plan, the Tahs aren't competing at the ruck 90% of the time

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[Brumby Runner]

Yeah you have to pay and subscribe.

Not right. Fox always have replays usually on Monday and then probably later in the week as well.

 

[Brumby Runner]

I think the interpretation is that once the second call of "use it" you have to clear it; and at that second call it was a static scrum.

And knowing that interpretation you could also extrapolate that the defending scrum could have relaxed as they knew it was to be cleared; and only then was there any go forward

Think you've got it completely wrong this time FP (very unusual on any matter relating to scrums). There is no second call of use it at the scrum, and I think it's also been eliminated at maul time. After the call, a team has to use the ball in 3-5 seconds or lose it. It is true that the scrum was static at the instance the ref made the call, but it was the first call. Nonetheless, and despite the ball being still in the second row, Butler should have cleared it as directed. I was shouting at the TV when it happened - so dumb.

 

[Ash]

Anyone know of a replay of this game? Wasn't able to see it live

If you have Foxtel, you get a free FoxSports account, no payment required. Then you can watch any replay you want on demand.

edit: there's some linking option somewhere between the two accounts.

 

[Brumbieman]

Not right. Fox always have replays usually on Monday and then probably later in the week as well.

No full match replays are working, just says you have to subscribe for premium content.

 

[Hawko]

I actually thought the ref was really good, and contributed to the game being a free-flowing, enjoyable affair. Yeah there were a few questionable calls but that's rugby.

Except that he again allowed the Brumbies tacklers to continue to play after the tackler had gone to ground. Rolling away now only happens occasionally and long after the runner is grounded. The Brumby technique is to have the tackler continue to work on the ball holder to prevent a quick release while the next men in concentrate on trying to get the ball. Because the tacklers are not going for the ball the referees are not penalising it. Its very effective, but the game would be a lot better if tacklers were required to roll away. Of course, that other rule about players not getting up with the ball after they have gone to ground would also have to be used. Maybe if I wait a couple of years the interpretations will change again and the rucks won't be quite the same shitfight they are now. I can hope.

 

[Slim 293]

but the game would be a lot better if tacklers were required to roll away.

Tacklers are required to roll away......... and the Brumbies, like the Tahs, got pinged for it when they didn't comply.

 

[Hawko]

This is the second game in a row where the Tahs have had a chance to win after the whistle and have cocked it up by dropping the pill. That probably comes down to a lack of self-belief - the confidence in themselves that good teams have that means they continue to execute when under fatigue and stress. That to me was the difference last night.

 

[Hawko]

Tacklers are required to roll away... and the Brumbies, like the Tahs, got pinged for it when they didn't comply.

If we ignore the two or three second wrestling that goes on between the player going to ground and the tackler rolling away.

 

[USARugger]

No full match replays are working, just says you have to subscribe for premium content.

Espn3.com

Should work just fine with an American proxy unless they've very recently changed their setup

Never really thought I'd see the day where it would actually be easier (and completely free) for me to watch Super Rugby here than it would be in Australia

 

[ForceFan]

More about the game plan, the Tahs aren't competing at the ruck 90% of the time

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The actual Ruck Involvements reflect the 62% Possession and 69% Territory dominance of the Waratahs. 68% of the Total Ruck Involvements for the Brumbies was by their Back Row and Backs.
The Waratahs won everywhere except on the Scoreboard.
The Brumbies were simply more effective and efficient in their ball use.

The Tahs were competing - they were just a bit slower than the Brumbies.

The Brumbies made only 209 Total Ruck Involvements (121 Attack/88 Defence) - 6 Turn Overs Won

The Waratahs made 264 Total Ruck Involvements (218 A/46D) - 3 TOW.

This was a complete turn-around from the first encounter in 2016 when the Brumbies had 62% Possession and 60% Territory - Brumbies 307 TRIs/Waratahs 218 TRIs.

 

[Gnostic]

I despair at the state of Australian Rugby. This was the best we had to serve up. When we make a direct comparison with the performances of the NZ sides in their derby matches and then when they play teams from our conference you can see how large the gap in actual performances are. The potential for a very good rugby game was in this match, with both sides trying to play some good rugby and running through some very good structures. The rest of the time it was blighted by basic handling errors and school boy level defensive lapses. I know some will say they enjoyed the game because of the possibilities the teams displayed, but given we are 6 rounds into the season all excuses have to be put away. To still be playing like reserve graders in terms of handling and skills execution is just an indictment not only on the coaching but the professionalism of the players.

As things stand the Brumbies are lucky tat they will be granted an automatic conference position, because they are at best a mid table side. The Tahs are a bottom third side with the Rebels, Reds and Force.

I won't bother to single players out, but serial offenders in the Tahs in terms of dropped ball need to be dropped themselves, for significantly more than a game, regardless of who they have on the books as back-up, there just has to be consequences for being so lax with basic skills.

 

[Quick Hands]

I despair at the state of Australian Rugby. This was the best we had to serve up. When we make a direct comparison with the performances of the NZ sides in their derby matches and then when they play teams from our conference you can see how large the gap in actual performances are. The potential for a very good rugby game was in this match, with both sides trying to play some good rugby and running through some very good structures. The rest of the time it was blighted by basic handling errors and school boy level defensive lapses. I know some will say they enjoyed the game because of the possibilities the teams displayed, but given we are 6 rounds into the season all excuses have to be put away. To still be playing like reserve graders in terms of handling and skills execution is just an indictment not only on the coaching but the professionalism of the players.

As things stand the Brumbies are lucky tat they will be granted an automatic conference position, because they are at best a mid table side. The Tahs are a bottom third side with the Rebels, Reds and Force.

I won't bother to single players out, but serial offenders in the Tahs in terms of dropped ball need to be dropped themselves, for significantly more than a game, regardless of who they have on the books as back-up, there just has to be consequences for being so lax with basic skills.

Who do you pick though? All (or just about all) of these players have been through the same elite junior programmes as the potential replacements.

That's where the problem lies. You don't teach players the basic skills at professional level - they should have picked them up well and truly by then.

As I've commented on one of the other threads - far too many of our junior sessions are taken up with repetitive drills. I'm not saying that there's no place for them, but there's significant evidence that unstructured play and playing a variety of sports in junior years aids skill acquisition and also things like reaction and the ability to improvise under pressure.

 

[I like to watch]

The Waratahs won everywhere except on the Scoreboard.

You been drinking the Micheal Foley kool aid?

 

[fatprop]

Think you've got it completely wrong this time FP (very unusual on any matter relating to scrums). There is no second call of use it at the scrum, and I think it's also been eliminated at maul time. After the call, a team has to use the ball in 3-5 seconds or lose it. It is true that the scrum was static at the instance the ref made the call, but it was the first call. Nonetheless, and despite the ball being still in the second row, Butler should have cleared it as directed. I was shouting at the TV when it happened - so dumb.

Well they got three chances

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[Gnostic]

Who do you pick though? All (or just about all) of these players have been through the same elite junior programmes as the potential replacements.



That's where the problem lies. You don't teach players the basic skills at professional level - they should have picked them up well and truly by then.



As I've commented on one of the other threads - far too many of our junior sessions are taken up with repetitive drills. I'm not saying that there's no place for them, but there's significant evidence that unstructured play and playing a variety of sports in junior years aids skill acquisition and also things like reaction and the ability to improvise under pressure.

I agree and its another reason why I don't think the NRC will do jack shit to truly develop our players. How do they learn the basic skills they can't execute now over another short semi-pro season with coaches who have to in a short time concentrate on things that should be winning them matches but aren't because the players lack the basics?

 

[mudskipper]

Tahs just couldnt exacute play under preasure... Brumbies pkayed with confidence and cut through...

 

[ChargerWA]

I know Kellaway had a mixed bag for his run on debut, that first tackle attempt on Tomane was woeful. But those little things, dare I say it, X factor just can't be taught.

He seems to have time and space in traffic. He has a way to go, but if I was Gibson I'd be shoe horning him into that Tahs side every week now it's a (mumbles under breath) rebuilding season for the Tahs.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

Kellaway must be persisted with, he's the future of the Tahs in the back three IMHO. I thought he showed more than enough to suggest he'll be a very good player for them in years to come.

 

[Pfitzy]

I agree and its another reason why I don't think the NRC will do jack shit to truly develop our players. How do they learn the basic skills they can't execute now over another short semi-pro season with coaches who have to in a short time concentrate on things that should be winning them matches but aren't because the players lack the basics?

What?!!

The NRC isn't there to teach rugby players basic skills. That should be sorted out well before then, with NRC honing the fitness and team work.

It would appear then, that age grade rugby - including schools rugby - is to blame.

Premier Rugby is the domain of flat track bullies with money, so I don't expect that to help in any fashion.