Wallabies v Pumas - Saturday 17 September, nib Stadium Perth

[Pfitzy]

Believe all those players are over there with the squad, so flying back for NRC might be too disruptive in case of last minute injury, and also the NRC coaches might be a bit sick of the efforts of parachuted Wallabies short of a run.

 

[tragic]

Do we really need the personal shit? I thought a discussion forum was for discussions?

If you think I am wrong and the Wallabies are a good chance to win I would be interested to read your reasons.

Fair enough. It was only meant to be a light hearted dig but I note it has also come from other sources and therefore probably seemed more than that.
My apologies.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Argies are paying a pretty good price.

Wallabies will want to play to their best to get over them. I think the score will be closer than many think

 

[RebelYell]

Believe all those players are over there with the squad, so flying back for NRC might be too disruptive in case of last minute injury, and also the NRC coaches might be a bit sick of the efforts of parachuted Wallabies short of a run.

Fair enough I suppose, though I would have thought that the Vikings would take Fardy in a heartbeat..

 

[Tip]

2 so far have speculated he is being "rested", not that "he needed one". Smallish number for plenty.

This must be the only rugby website you peruse as it's a popular opinion elsewhere.

 

[ForceFan]

Pumas Team


1.Nahuel Chaparro
2.Agustin Creevy (c)
3.Ramiro Herrera
4.Javier Desio
5.Matias Alemanno
6.Pablo Matera
7.Juan Leguizamon
8.Facundo Isa
9.Tomas Cubelli
10.Nicolas Sanchez
11.Lucas Amorosino
12.Santiago Iglesias
13.Matias Moroni
14.Santiago Cordero
15.Joaquin Tuculet

16.Julian Montoya
17.Lucas Noguera
18.Enrique Peretto
19.Marcos Kremer
20.Leonardo Senatore
21.Martin Landajo
22.Gabriel Ascarate
23.Matias Orlando

 

[KOB1987]

Argies are paying a pretty good price.

Wallabies will want to play to their best to get over them. I think the score will be closer than many think

The odds are $1.33 for the Wallabies and $4.30 for the Pumas, which reflects a line (start) of 10.5 points, I think a 10/11 point win would be regarded as close.

I've seen many articles/comments saying that we are going to find it hard to beat them. But, the Argies played high level, spirited rugby against the All Blacks and were basically level with them at 50 minutes, but then they capitulated and ran out of gas and the ABs piled on 57 points in the end. It was analogous to the outsider in an 800m race going hard for 500m, he may have looked competitive at that point but he got found out in the end.

In contrast, we played like busted camels against the ABs in the first game and they still only put 44 points on us. In the second game we played like slightly less busted camels and they only put 29 on.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we can take them lightly, we'll lose if that happens. But all things being equal and on current form we should win comfortably.

 

[cyclopath]

This must be the only rugby website you peruse as it's a popular opinion elsewhere.

Other rugby websites?? Surely not?

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Hard to get remotely excited about those changes.

Simmons best scrummaging lock I read on main page...pity the rest of his game is shite..

And Speight has done bugger all to show is a quality test standard winger in the last 2 years, let alone recently.

I reckon the argies will rip us apart.....Argentina 20+ point win.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

I am putting money on the argie's

 

[Tip]

If you drop Douglas logic dictates you pick Arnold, particularly because a) Coleman has been calling lineouts and b)Mumm is on at 6 and can call lineouts. Simmons gets picked because lineouts but we don't need him for lineouts. Hence the surprise.

I don't know if you watched the game the Wallabies played last week, but we turned over possession 4 times at the lineout.

Unfortunately, Arnold and Coleman proved in the English series that they are both completely incapable of running the lineout. This is why Simmons was picked, because every other Second Row option in Australia has proven that they are incapable of eating their meat&potatoes before their gravy.

 

[Slim 293]

I don't know if you watched the game the Wallabies played last week, but we turned over possession 4 times at the lineout.

Unfortunately, Arnold and Coleman proved in the English series that they are both completely incapable of running the lineout. This is why Simmons was picked, because every other Second Row option in Australia has proven that they are incapable of eating their meat&potatoes before their gravy.

Simmons was also shown to be incapable of running the lineout this year..........

Arnold never ran the lineout.

 

[Tip]

Simmons was also shown to be incapable of running the lineout....

Was that in English test #3 when he was paired with Skelton as his 2nd row partner, or test #1 when he was taken off after 24 minutes?

Or are you talking about NZ in Bledisloe 1, when he had Kane Douglas and Ben MacCalman as his other jumping options? In that match, Australia only lost the lineouts when Simmons didn't call to himself.

 

[dru]

Simmons was also shown to be incapable of running the lineout this year....

Arnold never ran the lineout.

Crumbs. Look I have a lot of issues with Simmo, but honest, this one.... Horse Shit.

Look deeper to the cause of the LO failures. Simmo is not it.

 

[Quick Hands]

Well it's interesting you say that. I don't know if someone at Fox rushed this out without checking it (or just put the first 23 names on the list)

Well, whoever it was obviously can't count past 15 as they had to start from 1 again for the reserves (which are usually numbered 16-23).

 

[TSR]

I don't know what the rational is for Cheika changing his lock combo again.

Given that he seems to have gone into every test with a new combo, I'm not sure he knows either.

 

[Quick Hands]

I don't know what the rational is for Cheika changing his lock combo again.

Given that he seems to have gone into every test with a new combo, I'm not sure he knows either.

It's a little odd isn't it? I'm trying to follow it, but I got lost a couple of tests back.

 

[TSR]

It's a little odd isn't it? I'm trying to follow it, but I got lost a couple of tests back.

Yeah - for all the talk of Cheika being stubbornly loyal there has been no continuity at all in the lock spot. I guess it is symptomatic of the fact that none of our locks are the full package. I've no doubt he's probably pulling his hair our (figuratively speaking) with the fact that none of them have been able to make the position theirs.

 

[Slim 293]

Look deeper to the cause of the LO failures. Simmo is not it.

Yes, there appears to be a number of problems with the Wobs lineout, but my comments were in response to Tip's one eyed attacks on every other lock in the team while praising Simmons, even though the lineout has been poor under his watch for a couple of seasons now.........

 

[Tip]

Yeah - for all the talk of Cheika being stubbornly loyal there has been no continuity at all in the lock spot. I guess it is symptomatic of the fact that none of our locks are the full package. I've no doubt he's probably pulling his hair our (figuratively speaking) with the fact that none of them have been able to make the position theirs.

To be honest, he's not the only one pulling his hair out. Chieka's rein is full of paradoxes.

He decides to drop Simmons instead of Douglas after Bledisloe 1. Have a look at their stats, have a re-watch of the game! Then bang your head repeatedly when you realise Simmons only had half the game and Douglas had the full 80. (Similar stats, Simmons made more tackles)

Now after another 2 anonymous outings for the Wallabies, Cheika realises Douglas is part of the problem and is dropped.

Chieka obviously doesn't like Simmons. That much is pretty crystal clear. He's dropped him 4 or 5 times? only to reinstate him when our line out inevitably falls to shit.

Chieka has different standards for different players.

Foley, Douglas, Hooper are all protected species. Higgers gets dropped because he plays wide, Hooper is instructed to play wide.

Simmons get's dropped because he does more work than Douglas.

Does anyone remember Bernard & Quade @ 10&12 last year!? Can someone tell my why Quade & Bernard @ 10&12 is suddenly the solution that's worth persevering with after Foley makes 2 passes in an entire test, one which was a hospital pass.

There's zero consistency in selections and zero consistency in reasoning behind selections.