New Zealand v Wallabies, Eden Park, Sat 22nd October

[formerflanker]

Watching it live - Savea's been taken out, they've gotta go upstairs for that.

Savea runs like a brick outhouse with rockets for afterburners. He bumps good tacklers off at will. He was not taken out, he took a dive because he knew he was well beaten.
The try reversal was a massive game changer. It put the ABs back into familiar territory - in the lead, waiting to pounce on "catch-up rugby" mistakes from the opposition.
For the wallabies, despite the best efforts of players and captain, the effect would be to incite stupid reactions or to drop intensity.

I look forward to multiple penalties in all future test matches when similar 'take outs" occur in all aspects of the game. Great for the game!

 

[All Black Magic]

No No
You missed the whole point.
This was a Tier one world record
of 18 test matches in a row.
it's something that has been achieved
by downunder rugby and the Wallabies
played a crucial role .
Be proud of your brilliant rugby playing nation
next door.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Tackle stats
Coleman - 10
Moore - 7
Mumm - 7
Simmons - 6
Hooper - 6
Timani - 5
Arnold - 5

Missed tackles
Speight - 5 (!)
Hodge - 4
DHP - 2
Hooper - 2
Pocock - 2

Looking at the stats, pretty big half hour by Rob Simmons.
6 tackles, 0 misses, 7 runs for 38m.

Will be interesting to see Force Fan's stats too to see his ruck involvements. Of course Wallabies shipped 22 points while he was on, so as always stats don't necessarily mean too much

 

[tragic]

Tackle stats
Coleman - 10
Moore - 7
Mumm - 7
Simmons - 6
Hooper - 6
Timani - 5
Arnold - 5

Missed tackles
Speight - 5 (!)
Hodge - 4
DHP - 2
Hooper - 2
Pocock - 2

Looking at the stats, pretty big half hour by Rob Simmons.
6 tackles, 0 misses, 7 runs for 38m.

Will be interesting to see Force Fan's stats too to see his ruck involvements. Of course Wallabies shipped 22 points while he was on, so as always stats don't necessarily mean too much

Yeah Simmons seemed to do more in his cameo than mumm did in the entire game.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Finally got to watch the game on replay and first half I missed. Foley and Folau were back to their best and timani showing can be our future 8.

Think you're right there.

The worrying thing is that he is at his best and still two tries came off his clearing kicks, a third came from another kicker because they don't want to use Foley as the primary clearance kicker and he missed 2 very gettable penalties.

QC (Quade Cooper) brings his own issues of course but Foley sure does have some liabilities as well.

 

[Dan54]

No No
You missed the whole point.
This was a Tier one world record
of 18 test matches in a row.
it's something that has been achieved
by downunder rugby and the Wallabies
played a crucial role .
Be proud of your brilliant rugby playing nation
next door.

Mate, as a fellow AB fan, can I make a suggestion, FFS give it a rest!!
I not sure if you just put up a lot of your posts to have a laugh, but maybe just wander off and do it elsewhere!!

 

[cyclopath]

Meh.foley was no better tonight then Quade normally is in even his average games. Once again..This game was a good game by foleys standards...and that's with poorkicking.. But Quades good games blow your mind and impress even the haters! They are also far more common then foleys great games too. They both have average games and they both make mistakes.but so does every player!
I'd be benching Foley permanently..Quade will be deadly with so many keen young fast and hard running backs around him. That's were he shines every time! Give him options and he'll put someone thru everytime!

I think you need to dilute to Kool-Aid a little. Cooper is not as awesome as you say, nor is Foley as bad. They both have good and not-so-good points about their games which is why neither has locked in the spot yet. I think Cooper is the better option going forward, but Foley is not a bad one.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Savea runs like a brick outhouse with rockets for afterburners. He bumps good tacklers off at will. He was not taken out, he took a dive because he knew he was well beaten.
The try reversal was a massive game changer. It put the ABs back into familiar territory - in the lead, waiting to pounce on "catch-up rugby" mistakes from the opposition.
For the wallabies, despite the best efforts of players and captain, the effect would be to incite stupid reactions or to drop intensity.

I look forward to multiple penalties in all future test matches when similar 'take outs" occur in all aspects of the game. Great for the game!

Yeah, well, I did also say something about watching the replay & thinking the contact was inconsequential therefore the try should stand.............

 

[barbarian]

Foley played the best game in attack from a Wallaby 10 this year. Flat to the line, threatening the defence with ball in hand, threw a couple of beautiful flat passes.

But then there's the missed penalty kicks and the popgun boot. Just can't seem to get that piece right.
.

 

[ShtinaTina]

Guess you know more than international referees then. Must be great to be in your shoes.

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Reading Kaplans replies to tweets is hilarious....

 

[cyclopath]

How close do you have to be?

What I like about that still shot is how it shows the rate at which Speight was pulling away from both even before Savea flapped his wings. He was never a chance to tackle him.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Does anyone know what the alleged Hooper headbutt was about, I didn't see anything in the game but have seen it referred to in social media a few times.

I think it may be another of those deceptive camera angle situations, much like Hooper supposedly throwing sand in the Pom guys face, McCaw "kneeing" the sethfricken bloke, etc.

 

[cyclopath]

No No
You missed the whole point.
This was a Tier one world record
of 18 test matches in a row.
it's something that has been achieved
by downunder rugby and the Wallabies
played a crucial role .
Be proud of your brilliant rugby playing nation
next door.

Might be time to stop trolling. You're not in any way an edifying representative for what you claim to be a brilliant nation. Planet Rugby might have an opening for another smug Kiwi, though.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Think you're right there.

The worrying thing is that he is at his best and still two tries came off his clearing kicks, a third came from another kicker because they don't want to use Foley as the primary clearance kicker and he missed 2 very gettable penalties.

QC (Quade Cooper) brings his own issues of course but Foley sure does have some liabilities as well.

I guess the foley vs cooper debate will continue until a better 10 option emerges but foley' selection ahead of cooper was vindicated by his performance last night. We just have to accept foley and cooper are our best options at present and as to which starts or comes off bench will depend on combinations and who playing. But we also need to accept that neither are amongst the top 5 five eights in the world where nz probably has at least 2 of those in top 5.


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[Upthenuts]

now its all settled down, do you guys prefer a Speight on your wing whos big fast, fastest any aussie wingers run all year to score his try, but cant tackle, vs a horne or acc who tackle all day but dont go over or around any defence

 

[Pfitzy]

Not surprised about Speight's missed tackles. His defensive positioning is all wrong, as evidenced by his attempted intercept - chance to smash a bloke, he takes the low-percentage option.

I'd be benching Foley permanently..Quade will be deadly with so many keen young fast and hard running backs around him. That's were he shines every time! Give him options and he'll put someone thru everytime!

I think the double-playmaker situation limits our options, because its 2 guys directing 4, not 1 guy directing 5. More running options makes defenders pause.

I'd like to see Quade go back to where he was a couple of years ago, when his tackling started to improve (i.e. tackling, not trying to strip and getting bumped) and he stopped transferring pressure from first five. He can be a lot better than Foley, but Foley carved up last night and if you disagree with that, nobody can help you rugby.

The popgun boot isn't an issue when we're attacking like that. Put that performance on the park against any of the NH sides and we win comfortably, because no-one counterattacks like the ABs.

What if foley had kicked the conversion after being told by the ref to wait? Does the try stand or can the ref overrule the rule book?
Can the ref award the try but then ping foley for a professional foul ie ignoring the refs instructions? Yellow card??

1) If the ref hasn't asked him to wait, he can take the conversion any time within a minute of the try/tee arriving should he require a tee.

2) If the ref asks him to wait, and he doesn't, then the kick is disallowed.

 

[Twoilms]

now its all settled down, do you guys prefer a Speight on your wing whos big fast, fastest any aussie wingers run all year to score his try, but cant tackle, vs a horne or acc who tackle all day but dont go over or around any defence

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) in his prime ANY day. Strong defense, finishing and under the high ball with a middling boot. Reason the guy got to 100+ tests. Horne is more of a brickwall and a great utility option but rather him on the bench with Speight starting. I kinda just wish we could somehow combine a set of fast legs with tackling arms. It is rugby after all.

Edit:
Anyone know if Koro can tackle/kick? don't watch league really.

 

[Brumby Jack]

This may shock some people, but Dean Mumm has been cited from the game.

 

[cyclopath]

This may shock some people, but Dean Mumm has been cited from the game.

What for? Running off his line out of the tunnel?

 

[All Black Magic]

What for? Running off his line out of the tunnel?

Wallabies flanker Dean Mumm has been cited for alleged foul play during his team's third Bledisloe Cup Test loss to the All Blacks.

Mumm has been charged with striking by the citing commissioner, who deemed the 52nd minute incident - missed by referee Nigel Owens - met the red card threshold.