Why would the NSWRU ask the NSW Police to investigate at this stage? The money was repaid and none of the parties involved are still employed by the NSWRU.
The only outcome for them from that is damage to their reputation.
Storm in a teacup, or more serious?
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Why would the NSWRU ask the NSW Police to investigate at this stage? The money was repaid and none of the parties involved are still employed by the NSWRU.
The only outcome for them from that is damage to their reputation.
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David Wilson (68)
If the money is government money set aside for a specific purpose - probably yes.
If it's general funds in a company it less clear - but that fact that there was no paperwork whatsoever, just a secret verbal agreement raises the possibility that it may well be.
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David Wilson (68)
As a taxpayer, I'd actually like the Commonwealth government to ask for the investigation.
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David Codey (61)
good luck with that...
I've been involved in a couple of cases that involved fraud in excess of $100k.had documentary evidence, the guys involved were still living in their homes,and were easy to find.
zero interest from our boys in blue......
It's money from a budget.
From the original story there was documentation regarding the loan, just not the guarantee from NFJ.
It was a NSW State Government grant hence the Department of Premier and Cabinet being made aware.
We'll see what happens but I think anyone requesting the NSW Police to investigate is pretty unlikely. NSW Police aren't going to investigate a situation where there is the potential that a law has been broken but nothing more.
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Mark Ella (57)
Braveheart
Time to take off the blue tinted glasses.
How do you continue to defend the undefendable
Let the investigation commence and the results will follow. You may need to accept the scoreboard one day
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Braveheart
Time to take off the blue tinted glasses.
How do you continue to defend the undefendable
Let the investigation commence and the results will follow. You may need to accept the scoreboard one day
I am not defending anyone. I have said multiple times that what NFJ and Worboys did was clearly wrong. Who exactly are you accusing me of defending?
The discussion has moved on.
The question is whether there is likely to have been a law broken and whether there is likely to be a NSW Police Investigation. I think the answer to the first point is unlikely and the answer to the second one is almost certainly no.
The NSWRU would be unbelievably unlikely to request a police investigation or press charges. It would only lead to reputational damage to their organisation.
You seem to think that police forces around the country and sitting there waiting for the chance to investigate any possible breach of any law and request that charges are laid.
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Mark Ella (57)
It may surprise you that is exactly what police forces do.
Police hear of, see or are informed of a complaint or crime and they investigate the matter.
If they believe a smallie law has been broken then Police Prosecutions run the matter. If it's a biggie the Director of PP gets involved.
Simple really
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David Codey (61)
^^^^^
not in the real world.
see my post #64
not in the real world.
see my post #64
The tax burden would certainly be something to behold if our police forces were resourced to that degree.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Any monies provided by a State Government or Cth in a grant would have a contract or deed that outlined approved activities for the use of those specific funds. All Govt contracts/deeds require a valid Australian bank account for the money to be transferred.
The recipient of the grant would generally be required to provide regular reports (quarterly/annually) to the relevant Govt Agency of expenditure activities. Most Govt contracts also require Agency approval for spends over certain amounts if the total value of the Grant is over a certain amount.
Generally if there are anomalies then the lead Govt Agency would first review and work with the participant and ask for a please explain (hence why DP&C know all about it).
If it is serious enough then the Govt Agency could refer it to an internal investigation process.
If they deem it serious then they can take legal action - generally in the Administrative Tribunal. If there are more serious issues then they would legal advice on any potential criminality. Then refer it to the relevant authorities.
The recipient of the grant would generally be required to provide regular reports (quarterly/annually) to the relevant Govt Agency of expenditure activities. Most Govt contracts also require Agency approval for spends over certain amounts if the total value of the Grant is over a certain amount.
Generally if there are anomalies then the lead Govt Agency would first review and work with the participant and ask for a please explain (hence why DP&C know all about it).
If it is serious enough then the Govt Agency could refer it to an internal investigation process.
If they deem it serious then they can take legal action - generally in the Administrative Tribunal. If there are more serious issues then they would legal advice on any potential criminality. Then refer it to the relevant authorities.
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Andrew Slack (58)
How's Jim William's form in all of this
Gets a secret loan from federal grant money which he is employed to manage, doesn't pay it back, then gets reemployed to manage the same federal grant money from a different organisation.
Gets a secret loan from federal grant money which he is employed to manage, doesn't pay it back, then gets reemployed to manage the same federal grant money from a different organisation.
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David Wilson (68)
Although I suspect that potential offences under the Commonwealth corporations are more appropriate in this case. So, maybe ASIC rather than the police should be investigating?
Something like this:
CORPORATIONS ACT 2001 - SECT 182
Use of position--civil obligations
Use of position--directors, other officers and employees
(1) A director, secretary, other officer or employee of a corporation must not improperly use their position to:
(a) gain an advantage for themselves or someone else; or
(b) cause detriment to the corporation.
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David Wilson (68)
You have to wonder why the NSWRU didn't just employ him as a Indigenous DO or some such position and pay him the $56,000 as a salary?
Or am I missing something here?
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David Wilson (68)
The original article on page 1 of the thread indicates that it was a commonwealth grant involving the Dept of PM and Cabinet. Has further information come to light that it was a state government grant?
A spokesman from the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, which is responsible for Learn Earn Legend-branded programs, said it was investigating the circumstances surrounding the loan and the program's administration.
"The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet is aware of alleged issues relating to funding provided to the NSWRU," the spokesman said in a written statement.
"The department takes all allegations involving ... serious non-compliance with the terms and conditions of its funding agreements seriously. As the matter is under assessment further comment cannot be made at this time."
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David Wilson (68)
I agree that the NSWRU are unlikely to do anything. It's pretty much standard operating procedure for them. They can't even spend money allocated to them by the government. A lazy $56,000 "just sitting in the bank" and the geniuses running the game can't find anything to do with the funds. A metaphor if ever there was one.
The tax and super deductions would reduce the $65k "salary" to somewhere around $40-$45k in the hand. That may not have been enough $ to address the crisis, & Salaries are typically paid over an extended period, not like an upfront golden handshake.
Now if Jim was some sort of executive manager "in the city" then a $65k golden handshake would be seen by some "in the city" as being insultingly low.
Now if Jim was some sort of executive manager "in the city" then a $65k golden handshake would be seen by some "in the city" as being insultingly low.
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Paul McLean (56)
Yes i remember that and it went under the carpet, i recall who i thought of at the time. And an additional tick goes against that team.
Good luck with any investigation being done by The Wallopers.
Remind us how the AFP are going with their investigation into the circumstances surrounding the "sale" of the former Brumbies HQ. Depending who you listen to, the Canberra "government" have missed out on several millions of dollars of "taxation" revenue not to mention the loss of quiet enjoyment of former Crown land.
Remind us how the AFP are going with their investigation into the circumstances surrounding the "sale" of the former Brumbies HQ. Depending who you listen to, the Canberra "government" have missed out on several millions of dollars of "taxation" revenue not to mention the loss of quiet enjoyment of former Crown land.
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