NSW AAGPS 2017

[Quick Hands]

In his day no one but the rugby players were allowed on the oval and the afternoon tea was for 1st XV only and was literally a cup of tea and nothing else, No speeches and no parents - except maybe mums filling the urn.

They may need to change the name of the grandstand from the Michael Hawker stand to the Lewis Roberts-Thomson stand.

 

[JuanBarn]

Only every other weekend?


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[Quick Hands]

Clearly the Rugby program at Newington is going forward in a most positive way.
I was also talking to New parents at the Knox game, we are absolutely stunned with what happening to Rugby at Shore. They have the ovals, resources, the player numbers and teams,Rugby ethos and people like Tim Wallace.
Shore deserve better Rugby results.

It's hard to believe that a school which has an overwhelming WASP enrolment, made up almost exclusively of the sons and grandsons of (rugby playing) old boys faces these issues.

I'd suggest that they need to look at the whole programme, not just what Tim Wallace is doing in the 1sts.

 

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RUGBY
Shore fixtures

Team
Opponent
Venue
Time
1st XV
NC 1
Johnson Oval
3.15
2nd XV
NC 2
Johnson Oval
2.00
3rd XV
SBHS 1
McKay 1
11.00
4th XV
NC 3
Johnson Oval
1.00
5th XV
NC 4
Johnson Oval
12.00
6th XV
NC 6
Johnson Oval
10.00
7th XV
SBHS 2
McKay 1
10.00
8th XV
BYE






16A XV
NC A
Johnson Oval
11.00
16B XV
SBHS A
McKay 1
1.00
16C XV
NC C
Old Boys 1
9.00
16D XV
SBHS B
McKay 1
12.00
16E XV
NC D
Old Boys 1
8.00




15A XV
NC A
Old Boys 1
12.00
15B XV
SBHS A
McKay 1
9.00
15C XV
NC B
Old Boys 1
11.00
15D XV
NC C
Old Boys 1
10.00
15E XV
SPC D
Hudson Park
9.00
15F XV
SJC H
SJC 4
8.00
14A XV
NC A
Northbridge B
11.00
14B XV
NC B
Northbridge B
10.00
14C XV
SBHS A
McKay 2
10.00
14D XV
NC C
Northbridge B
9.00
14E XV
NC D
Northbridge B
8.00
14F XV
KGS F
Gillespie 2
8.00
13A XV
NC A
Old Boys 1
2.00
13B XV
NC B
Old Boys 1
1.00
13C XV
SBHS A
McKay 2
9.00
13D XV
NC C
Old Boys 2
11.30
13E XV
NC D
Old Boys 2
10.30
13F XV
NC E
Old Boys 2
9.3

 

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QUOTE
Clearly the Rugby program at Newington is going forward in a most positive way.
I was also talking to New parents at the Knox game, we are absolutely stunned with what happening to Rugby at Shore. They have the ovals, resources, the player numbers and teams,Rugby ethos and people like Tim Wallace.
Shore deserve better Rugby results.

 

[sidesteppa]

Has anyone uploaded any matches from the past 2 weekends? What's happened to 'gogetyerselfalife'?

Been touring Spain for 3wks . But I'm back now .
Any advice re- best game to watch this saturday?

 

[Backline_Move]

Been touring Spain for 3wks . But I'm back now .
Any advice re- best game to watch this saturday?

Knox Vs Joeys - game of the round.

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

welcome home sidesteppa ... we have missed your good work

I think Scots v Kings at Kings should be match of the round

at least in terms of being a match that could go either way.

although Joeys versus Knox might also be good, particularly if Reilly is back (Armchair?), and Knox starts living up to pre-season hype

and Riverview v Waverley might feature some good rugby, as Waverley in my view has been playing some of the most entertaining running rugby in 2017

so take your pick

PS the interest in Pie of the Year has diminished in 2017 ... what happened to all the food critics?

 

[Black & White]

welcome home sidesteppa . we have missed your good work

I think Scots v Kings at Kings should be match of the round

at least in terms of being a match that could go either way.

although Joeys versus Knox might also be good, particularly if Reilly is back (Armchair?), and Knox starts living up to pre-season hype

and Riverview v Waverley might feature some good rugby, as Waverley in my view has been playing some of the most entertaining running rugby in 2017

so take your pick

PS the interest in Pie of the Year has diminished in 2017 . what happened to all the food critics?

Have to agree with you Sonny Bill, as both Scots and Kings are potential premiership challengers for the GPS, either outright or shared.So interest should rightfully be centred upon this game.

Joeys/Knox will tell us how far Knox can compete against another GPS school.

Waverly/ Rierview will I suspect only tell us how strong Waverly are as a team.

Newington/Shore will indicate, how much Shore are improving in view of a very competitive loss to Joeys. Alternatively, it might also display how capable the Newington backline can be, after last week's encounter with Waverly.

Or will they stay with the tried and proven tactics of punching it up through their forwards and only releasing it to the New backs in Shore's half, particularly within their 25. I think New will try a running game this time around and if the backs can be as good as they were against Knox. There could be some great running Rugby.

Equally, playing Shore can be a daunting task as New found out last year when Shore outplayed them in the first half and led 14-0. In view of the defeats suffered by both sides, against Waverly, the difference between may not be that great.

 

[Armchair Selector]

Any advice re- best game to watch this saturday?

Welcome back Sidesteppa

Some outstanding games in prospect involving GPS.

View v Waverley
Kings v Scots
Joeys v Knox
Newington v Shore

Toss the coin between Kings v Scots and Joeys v Knox as matches of the round.

I may be bias but I would head up to Hunters Hill. For no other reason (other than Rower Burger) than Kings will play Scots in the competition in a few weeks whereas Joeys V Knox will be their last match up until 2018.

Given the last Joeys V Knox clash in 2016 was a 36-3 drubbing up at Warrawee, I think you would want to be there to watch whichever way the results fall!

I am sure both CAS and GPS supporters will be keen to provide feedback on the outcome.

For what its worth, here are my tips for the weekend.

Waverley by a lot (will they break 50?)
Kings to be stronger in forward but Scots to win the game in a tight contest through their backs.
Joeys to prevail in a tight contest.
Newington to dominate in their forwards to win.

 

[HeresToRugby]

Welcome back Sidesteppa

Some outstanding games in prospect involving GPS.

View v Waverley
Kings v Scots
Joeys v Knox
Newington v Shore

Toss the coin between Kings v Scots and Joeys v Knox as matches of the round.

I may be bias but I would head up to Hunters Hill. For no other reason (other than Rower Burger) than Kings will play Scots in the competition in a few weeks whereas Joeys V Knox will be their last match up until 2018.

Given the last Joeys V Knox clash in 2016 was a 36-3 drubbing up at Warrawee, I think you would want to be there to watch whichever way the results fall!

I am sure both CAS and GPS supporters will be keen to provide feedback on the outcome.

For what its worth, here are my tips for the weekend.

Waverley by a lot (will they break 50?)
Kings to be stronger in forward but Scots to win the game in a tight contest through their backs.
Joeys to prevail in a tight contest.
Newington to dominate in their forwards to win.

Is Knox at full strength? No excuses because we got smashed by Waverley fair and square but Joeys has had a horrendous run of injuries with 11 players over the 1sts & 2nds out last weekend. Losing Eveleigh & Reilly (I'm told neither will be back until next term if at all) are big shoes to fill particularly.

Do you know Armchair if many of those will be back because I think they will need them against a very strong Knox outfit?

 

[bigmac]

In his day no one but the rugby players were allowed on the oval and the afternoon tea was for 1st XV only and was literally a cup of tea and nothing else, No speeches and no parents - except maybe mums filling the urn.

My snout tells me back in 78 when sgs beat joeys the joeys xv did a no show at arvo tea. Pls confirm IS??

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[formerflanker]

It's hard to believe that a school which has an overwhelming WASP enrolment, made up almost exclusively of the sons and grandsons of (rugby playing) old boys faces these issues.

I'd suggest that they need to look at the whole programme, not just what Tim Wallace is doing in the 1sts.

Tim Wallace does not coach the 1sts any more. I think he is now MIC of Rugby.
He initiated a whole-of-school rugby programme last year, including the use of external coaches down through the age groups.
Re the WASP enrolment - I believe it leads to high player numbers but not necessarily large numbers of elite rugby players. Their enrolment policy is still, AFAIK, based on signing the boy up at birth. No recruiting of rugby players into the senior years is allowed.
(Heading the way of another thread - will stop now.)

 

[bigmac]

Tim Wallace does not coach the 1sts any more. I think he is now MIC of Rugby.
He initiated a whole-of-school rugby programme last year, including the use of external coaches down through the age groups.
Re the WASP enrolment - I believe it leads to high player numbers but not necessarily large numbers of elite rugby players. Their enrolment policy is still, AFAIK, based on signing the boy up at birth. No recruiting of rugby players into the senior years is allowed.
(Heading the way of another thread - will stop now.)

Kudos to shore for holding a principled stance.

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[Inside Shoulder]

My snout tells me back in 78 when sgs beat joeys the joeys xv did a no show at arvo tea. Pls confirm IS??

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Dunno - I went down to the shed with my old man and conversed with a surly mate of his who's son was the SJC Captain. needless to say they were not taking it well. I don't think we knew what we had done.
My old man got so pissed and stayed so long (I left with my mum) that he had to use his (by then empty) esky to climb over the fence to get out of the oval.

 

[Armchair Selector]

Do you know Armchair if many of those will be back because I think they will need them against a very strong Knox outfit?

Not sure who is still out or returning for this week. I know concussion has been a problem, I estimate 4 boys (in the Firsts) have been out for mandatory recovery.

I think all schools have had a fairly miserable time with "team rehab".

I see no point in rushing boys back for trials. Its a long season ahead and I would hate for any player to miss out on higher honours due to injury or coming back from injury too quickly. Having seen Wright for Waverley and Frost for Knox, pretty obvious that neither is fully fit. My greater concern for their welfare is making sure they don't get overplayed and are rested enough to allow their injuries to heal.

 

[SonnyDillWilliams]

Armchair , totally agree ... Wright needs to be rested, and Joeys are doing the right thing.

Question for you Armchair, is it Brother Boyd that still MCs the open evenings? As I had a chat to a mate whose son is starting in Joeys in a few years .. and he was very impressed. That Boyd has to be one of the most impressive educators... however he must be getting on?
Is he still coaching the 15As?

Either way I was interested to hear that Dubbo used to be the most common postcode for Joeys (not so long ago) but now it is Hunters Hill, and the rural contingent is down to 50%.

And Joeys does such a good job integrating the country folk with the city slickers. Such an awesome school! Even if Waverley smashed em at least in one game.

Re Shore ... I don't think their rugby is so bad ... yes the results might not always be to some people's liking, but from what I saw against Waverley, they are pretty respectable right down to the lower grades. What is better a rugby program that has an awesome A team, and then is relatively weak outside of that, or a program that may not be red-hot in the As, but is stronger in lower grades, and has reasonable depth/interest.

Shore's Jika Travers might not be happy with the AFL posts on the main pitch, or the numbers of soccer players, but Shore isn't doing too bad IMHO ... and as for that stadium ... wow. Although forget about getting a seat ... about as hard as getting a year 7 entry spot

 

[Quick Hands]

Tim Wallace does not coach the 1sts any more. I think he is now MIC of Rugby.
He initiated a whole-of-school rugby programme last year, including the use of external coaches down through the age groups.
Re the WASP enrolment - I believe it leads to high player numbers but not necessarily large numbers of elite rugby players. Their enrolment policy is still, AFAIK, based on signing the boy up at birth. No recruiting of rugby players into the senior years is allowed.
(Heading the way of another thread - will stop now.)

I wish him success with the whole of school programme. It's the way to go IMO. Logic suggests that such a programme will lead to improvement in skills of the boys playing, leading to general improvement in team ability and possibly to more boys choosing rugby because of it.

Wasn't so very long ago Shore had 13Ks and 16Hs - now it's 13Fs and 16Es.

 

[Black & White]

Tim Wallace does not coach the 1sts any more. I think he is now MIC of Rugby.
He initiated a whole-of-school rugby programme last year, including the use of external coaches down through the age groups.
Re the WASP enrolment - I believe it leads to high player numbers but not necessarily large numbers of elite rugby players. Their enrolment policy is still, AFAIK, based on signing the boy up at birth. No recruiting of rugby players into the senior years is allowed.
(Heading the way of another thread - will stop now.)

The concern is that Rugby at Shore might go the way of Rugby at Grammar. If Shore collapses as major Rugby school its the end of GPS Rugby in Sydney. It will simply become an obscure game that is only exceeded by its mediocrity. We have loss so many good rugby schools that our base is all but disappearing.

We can expect to lose Barker in 2020 with full coeducation beginning then. Grammar and High went sometime ago, we have also lost North Sydney Boys. The Waratah Shield is dead. Everywhere you look Rugby is on the decline. What really angers me is the ARU are totally inept at securing the base, our grass roots. If get the club juniors right and the schools, things will move forward. Such a basic principle seems to have escaped the thinking of the ARU.

For me and others there is a real sense of sadness at Shore's recent results. As a student at Newington, outside of Joey's, Shore under Jika Travers were the next most difficult school to defeat. Yes, times have changed and soccer is now part of our GPS sports program. Which is why Rugby programs at our GPS, CAS and ISA schools need to be proactive, inclusive and progressive.

Its good to see Tim Wallace as MIC of Rugby is doing these things. Many years ago he was an instructor/ Coach on my Level Two Coaching course and I have a lot of time for Tim. If anyone can turn around Shore's fortunes Tim Wallace can.

 

[formerflanker]

The concern is that Rugby at Shore might go the way of Rugby at Grammar. If Shore collapses as major Rugby school its the end of GPS Rugby in Sydney.
For me and others there is a real sense of sadness at Shore's recent results.

I'll bet there are some people at Shore saying "lets find schools we can be competitive against".
The answer would lie outside the GPS.