Where to for Super Rugby?

[The Honey Badger]

Statuatory requirement from the Corp act...
The directors must call the meeting within 21 days after the request is given to the company. The meeting is to be held not later than 2 months after the request is given to the company.




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So when is 21 days up?

 

[Strewthcobber]

So when is 21 days up?

Depends when the members calling for it sent the letter.

Somewhere around 8 June.

Add a further 21 days minimum notice and the earliest is somewhere in late June, but could be as late as end of July.

Anyone with greater knowledge of the corp act than me might be able to answer this one.

If they didn't call for no confidence, or a board spill in the egm motion, can it be put on the agenda at the time? I suspect not.....

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[BLR]

(The ARU stated its disingenuously crafted 'we want to communicate sooner via just an informal meeting of parties' was cancelled for late last week for 'scheduling problems' as the reason - what a load of deceitful rubbish that obviously was; as if the WA and VIC delegates, desperately worried for their players and staff, would somehow not be able to clear their diaries for something that could aid these stakeholders understanding of the status of the culling process.)

The same excuse was given was at the start of the process when RugbyWA served their write and invited the ARU for a meeting to flesh out a solution.

Instead the ARU had the same trumped up excuse and started negotiating with Cox instead.

They remind me of the child who did something wrong but instead of facing up to a yelling from their parents tries desperately to seek a way out of the situation. All the while the parents are sitting there waiting for the inevitable once the child realises that they must face up to the issue at hand.

In the ARU's case this would be finding a solution that they have previously stricken off, whether that is going to SANZAAR saying they won't cut a team or opening the process up more eg. Merger talks/moving teams like SA or what have you.

 

[Quick Hands]

Depends when the members calling for it sent the letter.

Somewhere around 8 June.

Add a further 21 days minimum notice and the earliest is somewhere in late June, but could be as late as end of July.

Anyone with greater knowledge of the corp act than me might be able to answer this one.

If they didn't call for no confidence, or a board spill in the egm motion, can it be put on the agenda at the time? I suspect not...

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This would probably depend on what their rules/by-laws say. In some cases only that which is contained in the notice of motion can be discussed and in other cases, everything is on the table.

If the ARU follows it usual approach, very little of substance will happen.

 

[Spieber]

Seriously mate, you are missing the point. They have 100 teams in their National Premier League, and most are non ethnic. Even the ethnic teams realise they have to change. Keep thinking that soccer and FFA have mostly ethnic clubs and bye bye.

However the important thing is they are developing local V local and starting to build for there second division.

We can do the same

Back to your thinking of ethnic and your example of Danderenong.

Bits taken from the Herald sun. Does this look like an ethnic club.




They are moving A-League youth teams into there NPL, this afternoon SFC are playing Rockdale I think.

Also the owners of the A-League clubs have said along with the FFA that no ethnic clubs will be allowed into the A-League.

WE can copy this system you can bet your bottom dollar the AFL and NRL will soon copy.

Noted

 

[RugbyReg]

its happening.

 

[oztimmay]

 

[stoff]

Seriously mate, you are missing the point. They have 100 teams in their National Premier League, and most are non ethnic. Even the ethnic teams realise they have to change. Keep thinking that soccer and FFA have mostly ethnic clubs and bye bye.

However the important thing is they are developing local V local and starting to build for there second division.

We can do the same

Back to your thinking of ethnic and your example of Danderenong.

Bits taken from the Herald sun. Does this look like an ethnic club.




They are moving A-League youth teams into there NPL, this afternoon SFC are playing Rockdale I think.

Also the owners of the A-League clubs have said along with the FFA that no ethnic clubs will be allowed into the A-League.

WE can copy this system you can bet your bottom dollar the AFL and NRL will soon copy.

This doesn't seem dissimilar to what we are doing. Is it a national premier club comp as a level below NRC you are advocating?






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[RedsHappy]

its happening.

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Thus am looking forward later today to multiple ARU board resignations and an ARU apology re the unnecessary damage and destruction caused via the 'culling process' to the fabric of Super Rugby in Australia.

 

[kickedmyheight]

Thus am looking forward later today to multiple ARU board resignations and an ARU apology re the unnecessary damage and destruction caused via the 'culling process' to the fabric of Super Rugby in Australia.

That's what I like about you RH, you're an optimist!

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This doesn't seem dissimilar to what we are doing. Is it a national premier club comp as a level below NRC you are advocating?
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Really.

I sometimes wonder why I bother.

You are in good company because hhhhmmmm about 90 to 95% of rugby folk I speak to are of the same opinion.

Serious question is it because its soccer and therefore saying something nice or acknowledging something they may do better runs against the grain????

The Nobody Really Cares competition is made up of 8 teams less than 4 years old and is played over 8 weeks and does not enjoy the full support of the rugby community.

Compare this to soccer's National Premier League. If you really think they are similar aside from having a similar objective's then !@$!!!! I don't know TBH.

100 teams, Australia.

Controlled by state associations not FFA.

They play a full season most over 20 matches.

By next season all A-League teams will have their youth teams playing in the NPL taking numbers to 110 teams.

All teams have been around for yonks and are part of soccer's history, take Adamstown in Newcastle which is the oldest soccer club in Australia 135 years old or something like that.

Each team needs to appoint a coaching director trained to a certain level.

Each team needs to have an academy from U 8 or earlier thu to U 16 or latter.

Each team needs a field to play on.

The competition is broken down between the states

The states then break down their allotted teams into regions.

At seasons end, each state region has a champion. The state regions them enter a knock out competition to determine the states best.

Then the state champions play off for the Australian champion at the National League Level.


NOW THIS IS THE INTERESTING PART.

Rugby could do the same, SS in Sydney, Central Coast, Newcastle Hunter, ACT competition, Brisbane competition etc.

THEN OMG if this could ever happen, the state champions in NSW, QLD & ACT could have a match against Reds, Tahs etc.

Thats how you grow, use existing teams, use existing systems, and use our history.

Woodies V Tahs IMO more would back the Woodies.

 

[I like to watch]

There's just not the depth in this game to replicate this.
90-0 score lines come with additional safety concerns.
When you are outclassed in Soccer, you are not at risk of severe injuries, not so in Rugby.

 

[Braveheart81]

I think the NRC is better for the Australian players than having a finals series with the winners from the various comps around Australia. Many of those games would be lopsided at the moment because there is a clear gap in talent between Shute Shield/Premier Rugby winners and winning teams in Perth and Melbourne. The gap would be even further to Hunter/Illawarra/Country etc. and then SA, Tasmania.

I agree that the NPL soccer is a great initiative to tie together the state leagues but I don't think trying to apply the same thing to Australian rugby would be of overall benefit.

I think the NRC does more there.

 

[half]

There's just not the depth in this game to replicate this.
90-0 score lines come with additional safety concerns.
When you are outclassed in Soccer, you are not at risk of severe injuries, not so in Rugby.

Don't agree, the top SS team maybe flogged but I doubt the injury.

Also it was a minor part of the argument. My point was soccer's NPL is something we could copy next season.

Its a working and to date very successful model

 

[Braveheart81]

Don't agree, the top SS team maybe flogged but I doubt the injury.

Also it was a minor part of the argument. My point was soccer's NPL is something we could copy next season.

Its a working and to date very successful model

To what benefit? Who is interested in watching massively lopsided matches.

There will be a huge gulf between the winners of Shute Shield and Premier Rugby and other competitions around Australia.

Are the non-Wallaby Super Rugby players better served playing a couple more games as their Super Rugby sides against unmatched opposition or playing in the NRC where we're bringing together the best club rugby players and non-Wallaby Super Rugby players?

 

[half]

l I don't think trying to apply the same thing to Australian rugby would be of overall benefit.

I think the NRC does more there.

Two questions.

Q 1 the to develop players for higher levels.

Q 2 to expand and grow rugby and increase the player base.

IMO the NRC is better at Q1 in the short term.

IMO the soccer model is light years ahead in Q2, & in time Q2 will attract more players and provide a bigger pool.

 

[kickedmyheight]

Two questions.

Q 1 the to develop players for higher levels.

Q 2 to expand and grow rugby and increase the player base.

IMO the NRC is better at Q1 in the short term.

IMO the soccer model is light years ahead in Q2, & in time Q2 will attract more players and provide a bigger pool.

Well why not have both?

Develop the NRC towards something resembling the A-league (for the sake of comparison), i.e a professional (or at least semi-professional) domestic league. Then also implement rugbys version of a NPL so we can grow grassroots participation and cross-polination between the various state leagues.

ARU could support the NRC as the genuine level below Super Rugby and the NPL could follow the soccer model of being self-sustaining.

I would love to watch Pindan clubs taking on the SS clubs etc.

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[The_Brown_Hornet]

Well why not have both?

Develop the NRC towards something resembling the A-league (for the sake of comparison), i.e a professional (or at least semi-professional) domestic league. Then also implement rugbys version of a NPL so we can grow grassroots participation and cross-polination between the various state leagues.

ARU could support the NRC as the genuine level below Super Rugby and the NPL could follow the soccer model of being self-sustaining.

I would love to watch Pindan clubs taking on the SS clubs etc.

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Long term this is the option I favour too. There are a lot of us who are seeing the finishing line in sight for Super rugby, or at least our involvement in it. The NRC or a variation thereof would then become the national comp, where the best players in the country are competing for test spots. A national club competition underneath this could also happen if there is enough funding.

 

[kickedmyheight]

Long term this is the option I favour too. There are a lot of us who are seeing the finishing line in sight for Super rugby, or at least our involvement in it. The NRC or a variation thereof would then become the national comp, where the best players in the country are competing for test spots. A national club competition underneath this could also happen if there is enough funding.

I actually don't (currently) favour leaving super rugby. I would have this sitting underneath super with the NRC teams feeding into the super franchises.

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[The_Brown_Hornet]

I actually don't (currently) favour leaving super rugby. I would have this sitting underneath super with the NRC teams feeding into the super franchises.

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That's fair enough, but I just think we're going to reach a point where the comp doesn't work for us any more, commercially or rugby wise.