Australia v Argentina 7 Oct 2017 in Mendoza

[Dismal Pillock]

Kind of hoping for a draw there, would've been good & dry split infinitive kindling for The Forii Angst and Conflict Turbines, "we're shit, we can't win a game" vs "we're going great guns, only NZ can beat us".

Koroibete shouldering that guy in the jaw and knocking him out cold, how is that not a red? If he did that for the Reb's vs the Force and got away with it, Shiggers would set himself on fire outside NIB

 

[Up the Guts]

Don't forget TPN. He had a noticeable big game as well.

Yes he's definitely up there probably in the top 3. In the end there wasn't really anyone that had a poor game.

 

[KOB1987]

Back to 3rd in the World Rugby rankings for the Wallabies.

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Also the bonus point puts us outright 2nd in the RC

 

[Dan54]

Peyper getting involved too. This is bullshit.

Glad sense prevailed there, according to strict letter of the law it was probably a penalty and card as he definitely made contact with the chin with his shoulder, but I still never really think it should be in a case like that........lol though to be fair if it was an AB the bored would be screaming for him to red carded!!! Actually think this ref has been pretty bloody good.

 

[Derpus]

Kind of hoping for a draw there, would've been good & dry split infinitive kindling for The Forii Angst and Conflict Turbines, "we're shit, we can't win a game" vs "we're going great guns, only NZ can beat us".

Koroibete shouldering that guy in the jaw and knocking him out cold, how is that not a red? If he did that for the Reb's vs the Force and got away with it, Shiggers would set himself on fire outside NIB

Man you've been smoking too much of the 'we are NZ and we get the best possible result from any refereeing decision' crack there man. He was front on, both arms around the guy and barely knicked his chin. Not even a fucking penalty. The decision in the AB v SA game was the softest red card i've ever seen.

 

[Up the Guts]

Man you've been smoking too much of the 'we are NZ and we get the best possible result from any refereeing decision' crack there man. He was front on, both arms around the guy and barely knicked his chin. Not even a fucking penalty. The decision in the AB v SA game was the softest red card i've ever seen.

Yeah I don't think it was that bad but I reckon if an AB did that to us we would have a few people screaming blue murder, myself included.

 

[KOB1987]

Kind of hoping for a draw there, would've been good & dry split infinitive kindling for The Forii Angst and Conflict Turbines, "we're shit, we can't win a game" vs "we're going great guns, only NZ can beat us".

Koroibete shouldering that guy in the jaw and knocking him out cold, how is that not a red? If he did that for the Reb's vs the Force and got away with it, Shiggers would set himself on fire outside NIB

It's kind of like the 5'4 halfback ducking the tackle from the 6'8 lock and the ref ruling a head high. The Argie put his chin on his chest running into the tackle and said chin brushed koroibete's jersey on the tip of the shoulder. Technically you could call it but it would be a blight on the game to do so.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Okay, this may not be overly popular as an opinion but I tend to think Hooper is growing into a good leader and captain. I watched a YouTube clip recently that featured a study conducted by an American Academic. He looked into teams that essentially had their own respective 'dynasties'. The criteria was that they had to run for a period of at least four years.

He started with thousands going back as far as the 1880s. He narrowed it done to just 16. The US had the most with four but both Aus and NZ had two a piece (the next highest respectively).

Ours were the Hockeyroos and a Collingwood team from the 50s (I think) while NZ were both the ABs.

He mentioned that he went into the study thinking that what made these great teams was a combination of once in a generation talent combining or coaching. What he in fact found was that the key most important feature of these teams was their leadership.

Among other qualities. I think Hooper is growing into this role. Which is encouraging.

 

[TOCC]

Cheika's now taken us to #3 in the world and a 100% win rate since the last all black defeat so using the TOCC method of subjective timeframes for analytical purposes surely Cheika is the messiah ;-)

2 draws don’t count as wins mate..

Sorry I don’t see the light shining out of Cheikas ass like some others on here do. I do enjoy how when we get a win, people jump on here and start with the whole “I told you so” dialogue... if we beat the All Blacks next week, I might actually agree

That aside, I did see some positives out of that game, mostly from an attack perspective. Hodge runs nice lines, Koroibete has strength in contact and speed, they are at opposite ends of the spectrum but seem to work well in attack.

Defensively, I wasn’t impressed.. it was porous at times and they made far too many easy meters on set piece and broken play against the backs. I said it earlier, but have KB (Kurtley Beale) defend in his selected position, he has proven himself capable of doing so and it went well. Hodge is capable of supporting Izzy at the back so I see no benefit to shifting players around during play.

 

[KOB1987]

Dempsey: 17 carries for 76 metres, 2 clean breaks, 4 defenders beaten and 6/6 tackles. Fucking nice. Bye bye Ned.

 

[Dismal Pillock]

barely knicked his chin

Oh. I'm sorry. Him getting knocked out cold and stretchered off must've been part of some ornate and elaborate hollywood. Quite the production!

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Kind of hoping for a draw there, would've been good & dry split infinitive kindling for The Forii Angst and Conflict Turbines, "we're shit, we can't win a game" vs "we're going great guns, only NZ can beat us".

Koroibete shouldering that guy in the jaw and knocking him out cold, how is that not a red? If he did that for the Reb's vs the Force and got away with it, Shiggers would set himself on fire outside NIB

He made contact with the torso first and didn't ride up. Look at the replay. Shoulder hits at collar bone level. The Argentine players head then juts forward into the top of his shoulder. There was no intent nor anything after the hit to constitute even accidental contact initiated by Koribete. If he made direct contact with the head. Then no worries. Red card everyday. But it was extensively examined by the TMO and referee. They got it correct. As much as it drove me nuts at times the TMO had a good game getting every decision right.

 

[cyclopath]

Glad sense prevailed there, according to strict letter of the law it was probably a penalty and card as he definitely made contact with the chin with his shoulder, but I still never really think it should be in a case like that....lol though to be fair if it was an AB the bored would be screaming for him to red carded!!! Actually think this ref has been pretty bloody good.

My point was that the Ref and the TMO had discussed it, and seemed to have drawn a conclusion before Jaco decided he needed to be involved and re-open the investigation. I really don't see that he needed to. Now, if the ref has asked him to give an opinion. We don't really need reffing by committee. And Koroibete came in hard, head-on, and wrapped his arms. He never went high at all. He lead with his chest, not an arm or shoulder. The Argie guy dipped into contact, so how it is anything but an unfortunate accident, I don't know. Maybe all players should drop their head into contact so it's an auto YC each time? I understand the protocol for dangerous hits to the head, but that was a fair attempt at a really good front-on tackle, with an unfortunate outcome mostly, if not all, out of his control.

 

[cyclopath]

2 draws don’t count as wins mate..

Sorry I don’t see the light shining out of Cheikas ass like some others on here do. I do enjoy how when we get a win, people jump on here and start with the whole “I told you so” dialogue. if we beat the All Blacks next week, I might actually agree

That aside, I did see some positives out of that game, mostly from an attack perspective. Hodge runs nice lines, Koroibete has strength in contact and speed, they are at opposite ends of the spectrum but seem to work well in attack.

Defensively, I wasn’t impressed.. it was porous at times and they made far too many easy meters on set piece and broken play against the backs. I said it earlier, but have KB (Kurtley Beale) defend in his selected position, he has proven himself capable of doing so and it went well. Hodge is capable of supporting Izzy at the back so I see no benefit to shifting players around during play.

Completely agree regarding Beale defending at 12 - he can do it, he needs to get used to doing it. Keep it simple.

 

[Dctarget]

Among other qualities. I think Hooper is growing into this role. Which is encouraging.

I have to agree, he seems to be skippering well. I think it's always easier to captain when you're not the only one out there putting an effort in. I've seen it before with him that captain and having to carry the team as well is a bit much. But tonight and recently with the team clicking, he looks good.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Glad sense prevailed there, according to strict letter of the law it was probably a penalty and card as he definitely made contact with the chin with his shoulder, but I still never really think it should be in a case like that....lol though to be fair if it was an AB the bored would be screaming for him to red carded!!! Actually think this ref has been pretty bloody good.

Again, the contact only came after the Argentine players head jutted forward after the initial contact which was at collar bone level and did not ride up. I don't like seeing someone out cold on the ground especially if it were from actions beyond the spirit of the game but that was not the case in this situation.

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Oh. I'm sorry. Him getting knocked out cold and stretchered off must've been part of some ornate and elaborate hollywood. Quite the production!

Funny that you completely missed their heads clashing in the contact. Focusing on the barely there contact with the shoulder.

 

[Derpus]

Oh. I'm sorry. Him getting knocked out cold and stretchered off must've been part of some ornate and elaborate hollywood. Quite the production!

I wasn't implying he faked it, i was saying that it was a matter of an inch in an otherwise perfectly executed tackle.

 

[Quick Hands]

My point was that the Ref and the TMO had discussed it, and seemed to have drawn a conclusion before Jaco decided he needed to be involved and re-open the investigation. I really don't see that he needed to. Now, if the ref has asked him to give an opinion. We don't really need reffing by committee. And Koroibete came in hard, head-on, and wrapped his arms. He never went high at all. He lead with his chest, not an arm or shoulder. The Argie guy dipped into contact, so how it is anything but an unfortunate accident, I don't know. Maybe all players should drop their head into contact so it's an auto YC each time? I understand the protocol for dangerous hits to the head, but that was a fair attempt at a really good front-on tackle, with an unfortunate outcome mostly, if not all, out of his control.

In a bid to reduce injuries in the sport, World Rugby has redefined illegal high tackle categories and increased sanctions to deter high tackles via a revised set of law application guidelines. In effect, the changes aim to ensure that the head is a no-go area.
The changes introducing minimum on-field sanctions for reckless and accidental contact with the head, effectively lowering the acceptable height of the tackle.
From 3 January 2017, two new categories of dangerous tackles within Law 10 will carry penalty offences to deter and eradicate high tackles:
Reckless tackle
A player is deemed to have made reckless contact during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game if in making contact, the player knew or should have known that there was a risk of making contact with the head of an opponent, but did so anyway. This sanction applies even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. This type of contact also applies to grabbing and rolling or twisting around the head/neck area even if the contact starts below the line of the shoulders.
Minimum sanction: Yellow card
Maximum sanction: Red card
Accidental tackle
When making contact with another player during a tackle or attempted tackle or during other phases of the game, if a player makes accidental contact with an opponent’s head, either directly or where the contact starts below the line of the shoulders, the player may still be sanctioned. This includes situations where the ball-carrier slips into the tackle.
Minimum sanction: Penalty
(my bold)
http://rugbyreferee.net/2016/12/30/new-high-tackle-laws-from-3-january-2017/

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

I have to agree, he seems to be skippering well. I think it's always easier to captain when you're not the only one out there putting an effort in. I've seen it before with him that captain and having to carry the team as well is a bit much. But tonight and recently with the team clicking, he looks good.

I think that is certainly helping. He has a good spine of hard workers building around him which is freeing him up more to manage the game. Good signs. Long way to go but good signs.