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Bringing back Tours!

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RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Australian Rugby Union has welcomed recognition from the International Rugby Board that the June inbound tour window in the Southern Hemisphere requires urgent attention.

A meeting between IRB officials and representatives from the 10 Tier One nations in London overnight discussed ways to reinvigorate showpiece matches involving Northern and Southern Hemisphere nations ? including the possible return of traditional tours by European countries.

To protect the integrity of the June window, a fallback position is also a possibility where Southern Hemisphere nations would have the right to arrange alternative matches outside the IRB roster if Northern Hemisphere countries are unable or unwilling to provide full-strength teams.

A range of proposals will be discussed by the IRB Executive Committee and IRB Council later this month after the meeting where Tier One nations (Australia, New Zealand, South Africa England, France, Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Italy and Argentina) provided two delegates each.

Their talks included moving towards:

+ The re-introduction of traditional tours by Northern Hemisphere countries, with nations restricting themselves to visiting one of Australia, New Zealand or South Africa each June and playing a series of up to three Tests and potentially a number of midweek matches.

+ A mini-tournament to be played between the two other SANZAR nations and a number of other invited countries when the British and Irish Lions are on tour in the third SANZAR nation.

+ SANZAR to engage Argentina about the prospect of expanding the Tri Nations series to include the 2007 Rugby World Cup semi-finalists in a Four Nations competition. A timeline for any invitation to Argentina will require further direct discussion between SANZAR and Argentina.

?While this was not a decision making forum, it underlined the need to improve the quality, the competitiveness and the integrity of international matches which are so crucial to continuing the growth of Rugby worldwide,? said ARU Managing Director and CEO John O?Neill.

?In terms of inbound tours, we could see the likes of England coming to Australia to play three Tests and maybe three midweek matches.

?It would put real meaning into visits which in recent years have waned, especially when sides coming to the Southern Hemisphere have not been at full-strength.

?A backstop scenario where there may be potential for individual Unions to negotiate their own matches for June and November if a touring country is unwilling or incapable of providing its best team is also extremely important.

?It would give us confidence that alternatives are available, allowing SANZAR nations to protect their domestic markets by ensuring they only showcased best against best.

?The unarguable reality is that the June window is a concern for the Southern Hemisphere.

"By contrast the November window, when the Southern Hemisphere countries tour Europe, is of enormous benefit to the Northern Hemisphere nations.

?Hopefully out of this meeting the North have a greater appreciation of the fact that a continuation of them sending under-strength teams into our backyard cannot be tolerated on rugby or commercial grounds.

?We have reached the crossroads in attempts to solve the June window problem.


"If it is not fixed this way then the fallback option of an open marketplace where countries can negotiate their own matches is a genuine solution.

?We need iron clad assurances from the Northern Hemisphere nations that they will send their best. Otherwise a deregulated June and November window would be viable.?

Ok, great to see proper tours back on the agenda, but I only like them if they include mid-week matches.

In saying that, I fear that if we have a 3 week series v the Poms, and then a full Tri Nations (or a Quad Nations) it leaves very little scope for playing 2nd tier teams. Now obviously a test v Fiji or Samoa etc is not a great revenue raiser/crowd puller but it would be sad to see them less than we see them now.
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
Noddy,
I reckon Samoa, Fiji & Tonga should play in the super 14 & then pick the PI squad after that to compete in the Tri-nations.
 
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formeropenside

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naza said:
Why ? So we can lose to Ospreys 2nds again ?

Well, say what you want, but a couple of things were learned from that game:

1. George Smith does not want to captain the Wallabies;
2. Mark Gerrard is not a 10 after all.

Also, I hope the various players involved experienced a completely different style of game and conditions to play in. Hopefully, the next time they face such a situation they will have learned a little about what to do - or at least, what not to do.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Myself would love the tours. Just look at the Boks current tour. Some great players now may miss out totally because of the same team being picked. The midweek games always brought through some real talent and give the mid weekers a change to stake a test place. Also good to get games in smaller places and let the players mix with the locals. Thats what rugby is suppose to be about.
 
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Turban

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I'd just be happy if we got to play full strength teams. Playing them in a series would be a bonus.
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
I'd like to see those tours play the PI nations as warm ups - e.g. a full England tour in Oz, beforehand they can play Fiji or Samoa or Tonga or a combined side as a warm up game, potentially in Oz if they want. Midweek games can be against the Tahs, Brumbies, Force, Reds etc. Australia could even have a similar warm up on the same weekend. Ensures the PI teams get some games.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Still cant understand why our lot play more against the PI countries. Will be great if they do.
 

Cutter

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Ash said:
I'd like to see those tours play the PI nations as warm ups - e.g. a full England tour in Oz, beforehand they can play Fiji or Samoa or Tonga or a combined side as a warm up game, potentially in Oz if they want. Midweek games can be against the Tahs, Brumbies, Force, Reds etc. Australia could even have a similar warm up on the same weekend. Ensures the PI teams get some games.

I would also like to see a few development style teams picked containing non S14 contracted club players. Split the Sydney club comp in two and pick a two teams for a midweek game. Those blokes would revel in it, they would be given a bit more exposure than normal and it would be well worth a look.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Back to the days of picking a Sydney team. No Wallabies and no S14 starters. Fringe players, academy and club. And guys like Zippa and To'ouma etc. Love it.
 

Virgil

Larry Dwyer (12)
Noddy said:
Back to the days of picking a Sydney team. No Wallabies and no S14 starters. Fringe players, academy and club. And guys like Zippa and To'ouma etc. Love it.

To play the AB's?
No thanks!...last time we did that we suffered one of our biggest loses. Mind you the AB's that day wont go down as our finest.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Virgil said:
Noddy said:
Back to the days of picking a Sydney team. No Wallabies and no S14 starters. Fringe players, academy and club. And guys like Zippa and To'ouma etc. Love it.

To play the AB's?
No thanks!...last time we did that we suffered one of our biggest loses. Mind you the AB's that day wont go down as our finest.

15 Terry Wright
14 Eroni Clarke
13 Marc Ellis
12 Matt Cooper
11 Eric Rush
10 Steve Bachop
9 Jon Preston
8 Pat Lam
7 Dallas Seymour
6 Andy Earl
5 Mark Cooksley
4 Blair Larson
3 Graham Purvis
2 Graham Dowd
1 Steve McDowell

v

15 Tim Kelaher
14 PEter Jorgensen
13 Richard THombs
12 Lloyd Walker
11 Darren Junee
10 Tim Wallace
9 Anthony Ekert
8 Tim Gavin
7 Simon Poidevin
6 Michael Brial
5 Tim Kava
4 Warrwick Waugh
3 Andrew Blades
2 Mark Bell
1 MArk HArtil
 

Virgil

Larry Dwyer (12)
Cheers for posting that!
Not our greatest loose forward trio is it,especially compared to Sydneys with Gavin, Poidevin and the guy with the deadly right hook Brial.
Steve Bachop you have one of the flakiest 1st 5's ever.
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
Noddy said:
15 Tim Kelaher
11 Darren Junee
10 Tim Wallace
9 Anthony Ekert
6 Michael Brial
5 Tim Kava
1 MArk HArtil

Supercoach Greg Smith could get the best out of any side....except the Wallabies.
 
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