Discussion in 'Rugby Discussion' started by rugbyisfun, Mar 4, 2012.
Strewth .. Is there any good footage of this??
no footage however
thats a huge whack for a scratch - I know that the outcome does not determine the punishment
At the game, I saw Carter get very upset and he spoke directly to the refs. He pointed to his face and you could clearly see some blood/flesh wound at the top of the side of his nose on the big screen.
Vision was inconclusive, but his (Byrnes) hand was covering Cater's face.
Still, I don't suppose you get 10 weeks on suspicion of eye gouging..so some-one saw or admitted something.
The way the article reads it sounds like "Well he has a scratch so you must of gouged him" that can't possible be right can it?
Tough position for SANZAR, a guilty eye-gouging verdict always carries a harsh penalty. There isn't much room for middle ground.
Fox had some footage of it during the game. Byrnes hand clearly crossed Carter's face but I didn't think Byrnes was looking and I thought it was a stretch to say that he definitely attempted an eye gouge.
On a side note if the entry point is 12 weeks how can you get less? surely 12 weeks is for a good record and you move from there. or call it something else.
From what we all saw on TV there was no evidence of anything happening. Or at least anything worth 10weeks, must be some footage that we haven't been given.
I saw a replay of Byrnes with his hand on Carter's face. Didn't look good.
@ Sully - 12 weeks is standard for an eye gouge. A clean record may lead to a "discount", as has been applied here. Apparently, Byrnes had a clean record.
Geez, you think Mitch Inman could have bribed his Doctor brother Luke to testify in the Rebs favour.
Replay clearly shows Byrnes hand go over face but if you process what you saw - his hand was open and no were was it visible that his fingers gouged into his eye. The whole thing was very quick and it does not seem that he could have gouged. Scratched yes, gouged - sorry can't see that. I am a total fence sitter when it comes to this incident (reds fan - obvious!) and I can't see 10 weeks in that. Scapegoat as a warning for all others for the start of a season!
Byrnes does have a rep as being a bit of a mug . Carter was probably pushed to follow it through as well
Byrnes is a serial pest. he's alway niggling people...pushing their head in the ground, raking his boots on people, coming in the side and hitting ribs, facials, squirrels, holding legs, stamping on people. he spends most of his game giving people cheap shots. His ability is minimal
It's a shame he didn't get rubbed out for the rest of the season. Deliberate eye gouges ruin people lives by taking their vision away. That sh1te is unacceptable
Which Force players have you seen eye gouging? Indulge me
The Force is a franchise that creates opportunity
Many of the blokes who have come through the ranks got there on bloody hard workrather than reputation
The Force have pulled off some of the biggest upsets in the history of Australian rugby.
Dirty play is not in their creed
Having a massive go is
I saw the incident and the replay (which was only shown once) and thought then there wasn't anything to it. I do not doubtr Carter felt he had been gouged but from what I saw there was no evidence to prove intent. Is it strict liability now that contact with the face carries the penalties for gouging? I could see evidence to support a case of negligent contact above the shoulders but nothing to say there was gouging, I would be extpecting an appeal from the Rebs and Byrnes. Nobody wants to be known gouger, not even Adam.
Actually, I was referring mostly to the following:
Incident certainly didn't seem to warrant that sort of ban, unless it wasn't the one we all saw. Consistency within the 3n is again a joke. Last year we saw players get away with raking fingers across the face (not gouging but raking) - this seems to be a very similar incident and he cops 10 weeks!
Adam Byrnes deserves it. A number of times during the game he tried to get under the skin of players from the Waratahs with dirty play, as posted before he is a 'serial pest' have fun sitting out for 10 weeks.
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