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yep big call indeed and i don't think Cheika will risk it... AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is the safe replacement, he won't let the team down but he won't make the breaks that TK and Izzy can/could.
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yep big call indeed and i don't think Cheika will risk it... AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is the safe replacement, he won't let the team down but he won't make the breaks that TK and Izzy can/could.
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David Wilson (68)
The Irish were very good at avoiding Izzy when they put the ball in the air. Probably 2 out of every 3 kicks went elsewhere. I'd expect them to be just as good at picking Beale out at 15 if he had been playing there. Yeah - I agree they would have been a good chance of beating us more comprehensively if Beale was at 15.
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Peter Sullivan (51)
agree with HJ. once again australia didn't play that badly, just not well enough to overcome a determined opposition that defended well. we lack polish and the ability like the AB's to take the limited opportunities that arrive in test match football. three or four potential scoring plays in the last 10 mins came to nothing. and the last long pass to AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) was probably the wrong option from QC (Quade Cooper) but I'm not sure he had any others. we have a way to go yet.
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Rod McCall (65)
Concur..we are basically a converted try per game away from being #2 in the world. Given there is a lot of upside we can get there..
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Jim Lenehan (48)
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I'm with you. Australian backs will keep them in most games. But there s problems in forwards. And if opposition closes down midfield the result is what happened last week
Should Foley have been penalised for a deliberate knock down when he attempted to intercept the Irish pass in the lead up to Phipps's first try?
I was under the impression that the difference between a deliberate knock down and legitimate intercept attempt was the trajectory of the ball. If it goes up, it is legitimate. If it goes down, it is a PK for deliberate knock down.
I was under the impression that the difference between a deliberate knock down and legitimate intercept attempt was the trajectory of the ball. If it goes up, it is legitimate. If it goes down, it is a PK for deliberate knock down.
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John Solomon (38)
I think we went all right against the paddys.
Outscored them 3 tries to 2, and neither of their tries were created by line breaks. A bad pass and some poor defensive realignment to leave the kick uncovered cost us badly, but they still made 0 line breaks and struggled to break our defence.
A few things were clearer after last night
1. Foley is not indispensable for his kicking and that is not an excuse to keep him in the side. The phipps/cooper/To'omua combo needs a solid run and I really hope we see that against the poms.
2. The lack of a finishing winger at 14 is still evident - JOC (James O'Connor) will fill that role nicely and a back 3 of speight/JOC (James O'Connor)/Folau will be a step up. In the meantime AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) or Tomane will do.
3. For all their criticism in the lead up the locks did all right. Simmons cemented his importance in the side.
4. Depth at 6 is still an issue.
Content to chalk that one up and move on.
Outscored them 3 tries to 2, and neither of their tries were created by line breaks. A bad pass and some poor defensive realignment to leave the kick uncovered cost us badly, but they still made 0 line breaks and struggled to break our defence.
A few things were clearer after last night
1. Foley is not indispensable for his kicking and that is not an excuse to keep him in the side. The phipps/cooper/To'omua combo needs a solid run and I really hope we see that against the poms.
2. The lack of a finishing winger at 14 is still evident - JOC (James O'Connor) will fill that role nicely and a back 3 of speight/JOC (James O'Connor)/Folau will be a step up. In the meantime AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) or Tomane will do.
3. For all their criticism in the lead up the locks did all right. Simmons cemented his importance in the side.
4. Depth at 6 is still an issue.
Content to chalk that one up and move on.
It went backwards. No problem.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Faiinga played best game I've watched
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Steve Williams (59)
That second half was hard to watch. Ireland just couldn't give away a penaltie. They could of done anything. I thought either side deserved it. Probably deserved a draw. Ireland played well though. We need a better in field kicker.
Edit. Ireland defended well and were extremely well diciplend.
Edit. Ireland defended well and were extremely well diciplend.
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Steve Williams (59)
He knocked it backyards
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Think you underestimate how well Irish pack did second half
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Stan Wickham (3)
Certainly an enjoyable game to watch. Congrats to the Paddy's on the win. Although the result didn't go our way, it wasn't a complete shambles. A couple of observations from an armchair expert. I was always taught that the fullback's primary role is the custodian of the line. He is welcome to join the line in attack, but in a game that is won by defence, defending his own goal line is key. On this basis, by either positional play or desire, Izzy is not a fullback - pair him with Speight on the wing and we have real attacking danger on our flanks. By the same token, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is being sledged a fair bit on this site for lacking finishing speed (though he was the only player to come within a cooee if Bowe in that first try). He is however a resolute defender, and good under the high. Whack him in the 15 jersey and I think we have a custodian. One who is also a proven line breaker on the return. My second observation is one I have stated elsewhere. Hooper is a skilled footballer , with pace to burn, agility and dedication. He is an asset to any team he plays for. I think however that he focuses on the player and not the ball at the breakdown , especially when he is first tackler. I personally believe that Fainga'a plays more like a fetcher, even as hooker. With Pocock unavailable, I think we need a specialist fetcher as pill retention and acquisition is key. Run Gill.
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Steve Williams (59)
Either way well done Ireland. Playing some great rugby at the moment. It's painful to see the wallabies loose these tight games that we normaly win up north. Cheika has some big calls to make. Genia cooper Beal. What to do. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. Maybe we should look forward to the 2019 world cup. I also think we ate being out coached. Hands down had the better back line play tonight and only outplayed a bit in the forwards and still lost. Ireland had the better game plan even though it was a bit boring. It worked. I operating was better with his one kick that resulted in a line out to us and should of been a penalty for the Irish sealing off the ball which could of made it a draw.
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John Solomon (38)
Fair enough - like hugh jarse I thought the ruling was the direction of the ball (up/down) as a marker for the intention of the action. But I guess if the law in question is deliberate knock on then it has to be knocked on.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Don't think you can really play the 'what would have happened if the ref....' Card. Not after the second try
@cardiffblue, Be thankful that no one has whinged about referee bias/incompetence as the reason why we lost.
We certainly benefited from what appeared to be an incorrect call over the final pass from Phipps for Foley's try.
We certainly benefited from what appeared to be an incorrect call over the final pass from Phipps for Foley's try.
Second half watched. Aus structure got worse, Ireland defence was excellent. We were too lateral with a lot of our attack without the fast-moving straight runner at times to bust it open. Scrum OK until subs then the familiar problems. Lineout mostly good.
I watched To'omua closely all game - he interchanged well with Foley in the first half, and as noted elsewhere, took a lot of first receiver, which he continued to do when Cooper came on. He mostly just moved it on without doing anything out of the ordinary. He was solid - couple of nice inside balls including the one leading to Phipps' second try. He just got forward on the one to Beale, where Beale ran a great line, but the timing was off. Shame, as that was a real chance. I think To'omua is better playing 12 and coming in to 10 at times, rather than 10 all the time.
I really would like to see Phipps / Cooper / To'omua next week. I though Foley did OK, obviously scored one, put Phipps' away for one, had a couple of other nice runs and the lovely kick cross-field to Speight. He was getting better distance on his kicks from hand than previous weeks, but not getting touch. I'd love to know if Cheika wants the ball in touch or not. I don't know. If he does, it's a problem, if he doesn't then maybe the kicking is to plan. We have to be careful looking at first 50minutes and last 20 minutes and drawing analogies between the two. The structure of the game is different, but you cannot fault Cooper in the times he has had, so I would like to see him start now. We know what Foley can do.
I disagree with Brumby Runner that To'omua is now our next best 10 because he took first receiver a bit - you cannot infer that on the evidence seen when he is switching around necessarily, and I think his value is far higher at 12. I would like to see him threaten the line a bit more too - he's good at it.
Forwards - Fainga'a continues his renaissance with another great effort - nice defence especially. Slipper and Kepu good again. The locks did well I thought, so kudos to them. McCalman is taking his extended run at 8 with both hands too, and Hooper was industrious as ever, involved in a couple of crucial turnovers / maul creations in defence. Jones got better after a shaky start - need to see more to know.
Ireland played it simple - a lot of kicking, good chase, clever and effective defence and good mauling. They're solid, but attack a bit one-dimensional. This, as we have seen, is effective Test rugby.
I watched To'omua closely all game - he interchanged well with Foley in the first half, and as noted elsewhere, took a lot of first receiver, which he continued to do when Cooper came on. He mostly just moved it on without doing anything out of the ordinary. He was solid - couple of nice inside balls including the one leading to Phipps' second try. He just got forward on the one to Beale, where Beale ran a great line, but the timing was off. Shame, as that was a real chance. I think To'omua is better playing 12 and coming in to 10 at times, rather than 10 all the time.
I really would like to see Phipps / Cooper / To'omua next week. I though Foley did OK, obviously scored one, put Phipps' away for one, had a couple of other nice runs and the lovely kick cross-field to Speight. He was getting better distance on his kicks from hand than previous weeks, but not getting touch. I'd love to know if Cheika wants the ball in touch or not. I don't know. If he does, it's a problem, if he doesn't then maybe the kicking is to plan. We have to be careful looking at first 50minutes and last 20 minutes and drawing analogies between the two. The structure of the game is different, but you cannot fault Cooper in the times he has had, so I would like to see him start now. We know what Foley can do.
I disagree with Brumby Runner that To'omua is now our next best 10 because he took first receiver a bit - you cannot infer that on the evidence seen when he is switching around necessarily, and I think his value is far higher at 12. I would like to see him threaten the line a bit more too - he's good at it.
Forwards - Fainga'a continues his renaissance with another great effort - nice defence especially. Slipper and Kepu good again. The locks did well I thought, so kudos to them. McCalman is taking his extended run at 8 with both hands too, and Hooper was industrious as ever, involved in a couple of crucial turnovers / maul creations in defence. Jones got better after a shaky start - need to see more to know.
Ireland played it simple - a lot of kicking, good chase, clever and effective defence and good mauling. They're solid, but attack a bit one-dimensional. This, as we have seen, is effective Test rugby.
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Darby Loudon (17)
The aggression of O'Connell is something to behold.
http://gfycat.com/CautiousConsciousAurochs
On that note the same forum in which I got that from brought up a point that was in my head throughout the whole game - the physicality of that game was unreal. From an outside perspective the Aussies looked a lot more physical and up for a dog fight in the tight exchanges than recent memory lets me remember.
http://gfycat.com/CautiousConsciousAurochs
On that note the same forum in which I got that from brought up a point that was in my head throughout the whole game - the physicality of that game was unreal. From an outside perspective the Aussies looked a lot more physical and up for a dog fight in the tight exchanges than recent memory lets me remember.
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