Kurtley Beale

[TahDan]

Absolute rubbish. I've witnessed people of high intelligence and function form terrible mental issues due to sustained work place bullying. This is what this is.

Why do people keep blaming the victim here?

What evidence do you have exactly that Patston has been subject to "sustained workplace bullying"? We know of one event that qualifies as bullying and a second event in which Beale said something dickish to SOMEONE ELSE and then Patston involved herself.

What else do we know? We also know that there has been plenty of players happy to go off the record to the SMH and air their disquiet about Patston's "management style".

To me that doesn't paint a very clear picture of sustained workplace bullying in which one party is clearly the only one at fault.

 

[Paradox]

What evidence do you have exactly that Patston has been subject to "sustained workplace bullying"? We know of one event that qualifies as bullying and a second event in which Beale said something dickish to SOMEONE ELSE and then Patston involved herself.

2 incidents over several months - even one incident is bullying. Furthermore what brought about the initial texts regarding Patston? It's highly likely that Beale and possibly other players were disrespecting Patston prior to the deriding texts and images. That's how shit happens. We also have outrageous rumours circulating around the internet regarding Link and this poor woman. Who put those out there? It feels like there's a campaign going on.

We also know that there has been plenty of players happy to go off the record to the SMH and air their disquiet about Patston's "management style

Who are these players and where is the evidence? You demand evidence but at the same time you're happy to believe speculation in the SMH. Give me a break. You're being incredibly naive.

 

[I like to watch]

2 incidents over several months - even one incident is bullying. Furthermore what brought about the initial texts regarding Patston? It's highly likely that Beale and possibly other players were disrespecting Patston prior to the deriding texts and images. That's how shit happens.

It certainly appears that you believe her presence has caused angst amongst the playing group.

 

[TahDan]

You are on fire. The staff member in question has had one in incident in 4 years of employment with QRU & ARU. A player involved has had numerous, shall we list them? Which one of these has psychology & behaviour issues? Patston may well be found to be in the wrong on some of these matters but your constant lack of acknowledgement of any issues with Beale is becoming sad.

That's kinda my point actually.

Beale and some former Wallaby players have been involved had a handful off field incidents over the years, and so you could understand a coach bringing in someone with a solid pysch and management background to help keep things in check.

But let's not kid ourselves here - even at his worst Beale isn't exactly a Todd Carney or a Michael Vick... heck, he's not even Harry Kewel in terms of dodgy off field stuff. He's a bloke who's been out past midnight a couple times and had an argument with a teammate that went a bit too far.

So lets stop pretending that the task of managing him is like trying to run the psychiatric hospital at a maximum security prison.

 

[#1 Tah]

Were people seriously expecting some sort of confession from Link? This isn't news.

 

[Paradox]

It certainly appears that you believe her presence has caused angst amongst the playing group.

It certainly appears you don't understand logic and causation.

 

[TahDan]

2 incidents over several months - even one incident is bullying. Furthermore what brought about the initial texts regarding Patston? It's highly likely that Beale and possibly other players were disrespecting Patston prior to the deriding texts and images. That's how shit happens.

On what are you basing that on? You're still speculating.

We also have outrageous rumours circulating around the internet regarding Link and this poor woman. Who put those out there? It feels like there's a campaign going on.

We don't know where the rumours have come from though do we? The internet isn't exactly unknown for dredging up crazy theories... doesn't mean there's a campaign.

Who are these players and where is the evidence? You demand evidence but at the same time you're happy to believe speculation in the SMH. Give me a break. You're being incredibly naive.

So you're suggesting Georgina Robinson is making it up? Think that would fly with the editors? And if you do, does that mean you think Robinson and the SMH is party of this surreptitious "campaign"? And if so why?

I think you're being a little naive too to be frank...

 

[Ignoto]

But let's not kid ourselves here - even at his worst Beale isn't exactly a Todd Carney or a Michael Vick. heck, he's not even Harry Kewel in terms of dodgy off field stuff. He's a bloke who's been out past midnight a couple times and had an argument with a teammate that went a bit too far.

Pretty convenient you forgot to mention the assault charge Kurtley had in Brisbane and how the ARU assisted with that getting dropped.

 

[Viking]

Didn't Beale also have an Assault charge against a family member some years ago?

 

[TahDan]

Pretty convenient you forgot to mention the assault charge Kurtley had in Brisbane and how the ARU assisted with that getting dropped.

Again - "20 something bloke has scuffle with a bouncer" doesn't really put him into the "unmanageble" category for mine. But look, I'm not denying the bloke has issues, just that he's got nothing on guys in the NRL, AFL, NFL and even EPL in terms of anti-social hard to manage behaviour.

 

[Cat_A]

Those text messages were sent to teammates. There was a culture in a workplace where those teammates have then spoken to media (bravely enough not on the record...) assuring the media that Patston brought this on herself (essentially). And they swallowed it.

Imagine staying on tour knowing "senior players" who had to have known about those messages, and who would've witnessed the plane incident (the two incidents that we know of), went to the coach to save the player. If that doesn't constitute a hostile work environment I don't know what does.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Pretty convenient you forgot to mention the assault charge Kurtley had in Brisbane and how the ARU assisted with that getting dropped.

It was thrown out through mediation. Saying "dropped" makes it sound similar to him being acquitted which it is not. It was agreed that the parties would come to a solution.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Again - "20 something bloke has scuffle with a bouncer" doesn't really put him into the "unmanageble" category for mine. But look, I'm not denying the bloke has issues, just that he's got nothing on guys in the NRL, AFL, NFL and even EPL in terms of anti-social hard to manage behaviour.

Scuffle with bouncer, drink driving, assaults a team mate, then ultimately dismissed due to breaking a drinking ban which came about due to one of the above. Am I missing any more?

I'd argue the Rebels incident shows exactly he can be unmanageable.

 

[louie]

But let's not kid ourselves here

If what KB (Kurtley Beale) has been accused of doing is true, there isn't a HR department in the country that wouldn't fire an employee over it. No second thought about it.

I doubt Link is as stupid to hire someone he's in a relationship with and think it's not going to cause problems. He knows you only get one chance at this. I'm inclined to believe him.

Link needed to create as much distance from the RD era as possible. Picking KB (Kurtley Beale) at 10, along other things, made him look like he had no clue (like RD).

 

[TahDan]

Scuffle with bouncer, drink driving, assaults a team mate, then ultimately dismissed due to breaking a drinking ban which came about due to one of the above. Am I missing any more?

I'd argue the Rebels incident shows exactly he can be unmanageable.

Yeah, he's had a run all right. But again, what I'm having trouble reconciling is how Cheika seemed to manage him without incident all year without a "behavioural psychologist" on staff.

 

[PiXeL_Ninja]

Cheika is a good fit. He wont stuff around with a player clique, and I suppose more importantly, he's probably got other ways of de-stressing himself on tour.

 

[Train Without a Station]

Yeah, he's had a run all right. But again, what I'm having trouble reconciling is how Cheika seemed to manage him without incident all year without a "behavioural psychologist" on staff.

Probably because Kurtley got what he wanted at the Waratahs and the team was successful.

A lot more off-field issues come out in losing teams and with fringe players than first choice players in winning teams.

Potentially Cheika could be fuck all better at management for all we know.

 

[TahDan]

If what KB (Kurtley Beale) has been accused of doing is true, there isn't a HR department in the country that wouldn't fire an employee over it. No second thought about it.

He effectively has been "fired" a few times, Carney style from different teams for his off field indiscretions. But the feeling was he'd come good this year with the 'Tahs - and he had a brilliant season with them to boot.

So what's happened in the Wallabies?

 

[TahDan]

Probably because Kurtley got what he wanted at the Waratahs and the team was successful.

A lot more off-field issues come out in losing teams and with fringe players than first choice players in winning teams.

Potentially Cheika could be fuck all better at management for all we know.

Well he played 12 at the Tahs, and he prefers 10, so not entirely. But I take you're point about winning teams... and maybe Cheika's propensity to break shit when they lose meant the players kept quiet.

 

[Slim 293]

If what KB (Kurtley Beale) has been accused of doing is true, there isn't a HR department in the country that wouldn't fire an employee over it. No second thought about it.

Yep.............

Straight to the door with a security escort.