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Manly 2015

Discussion in 'Manly' started by Dave Beat, Nov 8, 2014.

  1. the coach Dick Tooth (41)

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    SANZAR suspensions generally apply to all levels ie can't play anywhere eg Jean Deysel's (Sharks) May suspension applied to a club game plus two S15 games, Henry Speight's June suspension was applied to S15, Wallaby and Gungahlin games and Ian Prior's (Force) April suspension was also applied to club and S15 games. But in each case there was a lengthly investigation to establish whether the players would have genuinely played for their clubs and the games could therefore be used to consume the suspension.

    If the plan is to claim Hooper would have played for Manly this weekend and so serve his suspension I don't like their chances of convincing SANZAR he would have been released from the Wallabies.

    "Tell 'em they're dreaming" :rolleyes:
  2. formerflanker John Solomon (38)

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    Just in on the front page of GAGR:
    If Hooper is found guilty, he would not able to claim a Shute Shield quarter-final for Manly on Saturday as part of his suspension as he has not played enough club games to be eligible for the playoffs.
  3. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    ^^ Same argument as used by The Corporation for Dave Dennis.
    Provided he has maintained his registration with the MMM for 2 years without a break, he doesn't have to play any games at all. If he was new to MMM and had not maintained registration for two continuous years, like Jacpot was for Randi-Wix this year, then he would have had to have played two games this season.

    IMHO, the front page assertion is incorrect, and Hooper is eligible for Finals for the MMM, pending the outcome of the SANZAR Judicial lottery.

    33.2 A player shall not be eligible to play in a Finals Series fixture unless:
    (a) The player has played with the Club a minimum of four rounds during the Minor Premiership series; or

    (b) The player has been on representative duties during the current season and has played a minimum of two minor premiership matches in the current season at the same Club in which he is seeking eligibility, or has been a registered player with the club (according to the online registration system) without break for the previous two years.
  4. the coach Dick Tooth (41)

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    As I understand the SANZAR rules, Hooper would need to be able to prove that he was definitely going to play in this weekend's SF for it to be counted towards his suspension. That's been the approach in the past where players have sought to use club games to consume their suspension. Given that no other members of the Wallaby squad have been released to play for their clubs this weekend (as far as I know) I don't see how he could possibly claim this.
  5. blindside Stan Wickham (3)

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    so if Mumm gets cut from the wallaby squad for the next game, what law are you guys going to try and get him into the team on??
  6. Hugh Jarse Rocky Elsom (76)

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    Mumm has come back from overseas. Presume he hasn't been registered with The Corporation while he has been playing with Exeter.

    He therefore needs to play a minimum of two games and try and get a "representative duties" discount for the Shute Shield Games he missed while on Waratahs Duties, or play four games for them.

    Whatever way you look at it Mumm fails to satisfy any criteria for 2015 Shute Shield Finals eligibility.

    As this is the MMM thread, I suspect the readers would rather not debate Dean Mumm's eligibility, but work out how they can get George Smith and Michael Hooper on the field at the same time, in Marlins colours.
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  7. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    And Cliffy - but Jpn is concerned he may get injured so said no no.
  8. formerflanker John Solomon (38)

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    A Smooper conundrum? A Careless Whisper from George Michael?
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  9. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    Thread of threads though.
  10. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    All rugby'd out on the weekend, never thought it could happen.

    2nds;
    Was always going to be an unknown as Wests had one team in the Semis, and this allowed planning and fresh reserves. Point in reference in 4th grade 6th place Souths toppled 1st place Uni, and 5th place Eats toppled 2nd place Eastwood earlier in the day.


    They spent the first period of time camped in our 22, and we defended their line outs well. Then came some sharp work by Brad Meaney, putting his body on the line he dived on the loose ball for a crucial turn over – we sent the ball wide quickly, and our mobile forward pack ensured the ball was carried into the Wests half. Ball was quickly recycled after a Vance Elliot charge, and out to the left were Sammy Vaevae cut through and popped the ball to Timmy Donlan, with the Wests defence on the back foot the ball came back to the big Jonny Fakai he dazzled them with his foot work and trotted over to score under the sticks. Take the opportunities & make them count.

    The game ebbed and flowed, Wests had a very strong set piece, and our mobility had them struggling when we played with width, the key to this game was going to be ball control and to run their big men around. It was off a set piece they score their first try, a scrum near the halfway had Wests players running options and we opened up in the centres with the fly half rapping around in support to score under the scoreboard and it was a tight game at the break 13 – 8.

    Second half started with quick points, live it looked like a luck, but Sireli took a highball on the finger tips tracking backwards, and tipped it onto a flying Treweek who put it on the toe 40 out and chased it through to ground the ball under the Pirates nose, a great why to start the second half. But the Pirates wouldn’t lay down, they got the territory and work hard on their phases to cross for a converted try out wide to make it 20 – 15.

    We responded quickly, it was territory and pressure that had us going over for 2 quick tries to extend the lead to 15 and the Pirates needed more than 2 converted tries. Both teams continued to contest hard for the full 80 and each crossed for a try providing the final score of 37 – 22, we have an appointment next Saturday down at the Village Green – let’s do the business.

    1sts
    2 times in 2 weeks V Randwick. Both teams no doubt went to school on video re runs during the week to identify weaknesses.


    Then the Wicks fly in Wallaby Kurtley Beale into the back line to form what I read on these pages as one of the best as it has Horwitz, Kellaway, and Roods.

    We opened the scoring quickly spreading the ball wide, to send 160 minute man Sireli over in the corner.

    Randwick attacked and had better time with the possession in the first half and we defended strongly, BJ shutting down plenty of raids by the Wicks with perfect reads. This is what reading the game is all about, being in the right place at the right time and BJ played all over Kellaway for the second straight week.

    Reece Hodge went off after 20 minutes and on came Treweek who had just played the full 80 in 2's, Sam Lane took control of the game and always seemed to have plenty of time with the ball and controlled play beautifully, and Dennis Pili-Gaitau was a monster in D and with ball in hand - he thourished in the opportunity playing against Kurtley, and went over for our second try at around the 20 minute mark. The Wicks responded with 2 quick tries and it looked like it was going to be a one point ball game at the break (15 / 14), then one for the highlights real; Sireli charging through a gap off Lane’s shoulder, off to BJ who throws a behind that back pass that QC would be proud of to have Zip cross for a crucial try, and then Laney cooly drops a goal before oranges.

    A penalty goal just after the break stretches the lead, and another lovely worked play from Lane has Zip crossing under the posts and the lead is greater than 2 converted tries.

    Wicks finish with a try in the last 30 seconds to give it a 33 / 21 game.

    Huge effort by Sireli who played 2 full games, and Treweek who stepped and played 140 minutes.


    Tahs should be looking at Lane, Hodge, BJ after getting the chance to see the Wicks players on back to back weekends.

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  11. the coach Dick Tooth (41)

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  13. Johnno40 Allen Oxlade (6)

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    What a way to spend a Saturday arvo at the village green with a couple of mates enjoying a cold beer or 3

    Congrats to the MMM's with 3 teams playing in the second week of the finals.
    I agree with Dave that the Marlin1st grade back line was outstanding and the Marlins fullback out played the Wicks.

    I was with a English bloke who just loves the hard stuff and he praise the Marlins forwards , great scrum, breakdowns , line outs.So credit to forwards for laying down a great foundation.

    Give credit where credit is due , good luck to the Marlins this week.
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  14. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    Thanks man - long day down there this weekend as well - hope the sun is shining.
  15. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    Wish someone gave me this, would have been shared alot earlier.

    On fire;

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  16. the coach Dick Tooth (41)

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    Were you at this game Dave? ;)

    "In connection with the incident during a rugby union premiership match at Manly Oval on Saturday, July 27 (1912), when Mr Cohen ordered the entire Manly team off the field in protest over rough play, the governing body, the (Sydney) Metropolitan Rugby Union has taken the decision to exonerate 12 of the players involved. However, three more cases are to be dealt with in the coming days." [SMH 5/8/15]

    What were the other team doing?
  17. Dave Beat Paul McLean (56)

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    Coach, from the book?
  18. the coach Dick Tooth (41)

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    From today's SMH.
  19. 2bluesfan Nev Cottrell (35)

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    Any chance of a scan of that article? I can't seem to find it in the online version of the SMH but perhaps my google-fu is not strong today.

    I can recall a couple of matches I participated in (in subbies actually) where things got out of hand and we seriously considered walking off the field. Two in particular stand out in my memory. On one occasion the refereeing appeared to favour our side for reasons that weren't apparent. Several times in that match the referee over-ruled the touch judges who both had waved away penalty goal attempts - all of which appeared doubtful at best to my eye, and the other side vented their frustrations on my team! On the second occasion, the referee appeared nervous and inconsistent in his rulings, which again broadly benefited my team much to the displeasure of our opponents. I recall, with some mirth now, one occasion where a grubber kick into the in-goal resulted in my team claiming a try, the opposition claiming a 22 dropout and the referee awarding a scrum where the quickly taken "22 dropout" had landed somewhere near halfway after putting his head into his hands and exclaiming "I don't know what's going on!". Of course, the opposition decided that we must have been in cahoots with the referee and attempted to exact summary justice.

    Fun days.
  20. the coach Dick Tooth (41)

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    My post included the complete article.
    It was in the historical feature ie 3 brief excerpts from today's date in 1912.
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